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Old 07-09-2008
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Re: Cheney censors global warming facts

Their prerogative to do it, for whatever reason they chose.
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Re: Cheney censors global warming facts

So people rant and rave when there is an possibility (which is as yet, unproven) that Cheney has been suppressing information but no one gets mad when those who believe in global warming claim that "the debate is over" when the truth is obviously far from it? I agree that suppressing information is wrong but it is wrong on all accounts, not just one.
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Their prerogative to do it, for whatever reason they chose.
Sounds like an advocate of a closed, secretive government like China or the Soviet Union, not an open transparent government like the one we are supposed to have.

You seriously think it's OK for Cheney to hide science from us, science that could save the planet?
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So people rant and rave when there is an possibility (which is as yet, unproven) that Cheney has been suppressing information but no one gets mad when those who believe in global warming claim that "the debate is over" when the truth is obviously far from it? I agree that suppressing information is wrong but it is wrong on all accounts, not just one.
The debate can go on and on. But Cheney's suppressing science isn't helping the global warming deniers side of the debate is it?
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Cheney doesn't want to regulate emissions.

Cheney needs to hide the fact that the CDC made a link between global warming and fossil fuel emissions.

Cheney's office told the CDC to cut 6 pages of the CDC report.

A few years ago NASA's reports were censored as well. This is what the Bush admin does. When they don't like the science, they censor it.
I'm not as familiar with the histoy of these efforts as you are, but you want to assume Burnett is telling the truth and I believe such an assumption is, well, just an assumption. If the context of the alleged actions by the CEQ, OVP, and White House is right, then it definitely lends more weight to Burnett's accusations.

I've never really been interested in the White House's environmental agenda, so I don't know much about it. The story about Philip Cooney is interesting, though.
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The debate can go on and on. But Cheney's suppressing science isn't helping the global warming deniers side of the debate is it?
So all by himself, VP Cheney is preventing any information about global warming from getting out to the public? He is personally somehow suppressing the research and findings of thousands of scientists all over the globe?

Wow....just wow....

Do you even read the bullshit you type?
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The debate can go on and on. But Cheney's suppressing science isn't helping the global warming deniers side of the debate is it?
What it's doing is not helping Cheney (if it's proven I might add). It has nothing to do with those who do not believe that global warming is man made unless people falsely state that all of them are like Cheney on this. Ultimately, making a connection like that is like saying that all those who believe in man made global warming are like Al Gore.
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Sounds like an advocate of a closed, secretive government like China or the Soviet Union, not an open transparent government like the one we are supposed to have.
And even they're not silly enough to believe in Global Warming.

But yeah that's it, when he have such a system as ours that allows for exeucitve authority, go ahead and compare it to communism.

And nowhere are we supposed to have a transparent government, stop putting in your fruity fairytale like scenarios.

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You seriously think it's OK for Cheney to hide science from us, science that could save the planet?
Of course it is, its what he gets as a reward for his election to his office in this great country we live in, but you go ahead and continue your America hating as always.
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And even they're not silly enough to believe in Global Warming.
You don't allow for the possibility that intelligent people can disagree on whether GW exists or not? You just go straight to the global insult of all people who do believe in it? What an obnoxious thing to do.

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But yeah that's it, when he have such a system as ours that allows for exeucitve authority, go ahead and compare it to communism.

And nowhere are we supposed to have a transparent government, stop putting in your fruity fairytale like scenarios.

The U.S. Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is a law ensuring public access to U.S. government records. FOIA carries a presumption of disclosure; the burden is on the government - not the public - to substantiate why information may not be released. Upon written request, agencies of the United States government are required to disclose those records, unless they can be lawfully withheld from disclosure under one of nine specific exemptions in the FOIA. This right of access is ultimately enforceable in federal court.

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Of course it is, its what he gets as a reward for his election to his office in this great country we live in, but you go ahead and continue your America hating as always.

What evidence do you have that VL is an America hater? Having a different POV from yours, or hating the current president does not make one an America hater. It really is an obnoxious thing to say.
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What evidence do you have that VL is an America hater? Having a different POV from yours, or hating the current president does not make one an America hater. It really is an obnoxious thing to say.
There's a rabid pack of them on this site. Always taking every thread I post in off topic, attacking me, making false obnoxious statements like this one. They say I'm playing the victim when I respond to it.

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What evidence do you have that VL is an America hater? Having a different POV from yours, or hating the current president does not make one an America hater. It really is an obnoxious thing to say.
Many of us have known VL for a while - under a different name. Suffice it to say her opinions on America are WELL documented.

She's a founding member of the "Blame America First" club.
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Many of us have known VL for a while - under a different name. Suffice it to say her opinions on America are WELL documented.

She's a founding member of the "Blame America First" club.
You say her opinions on America are "well documented." How does that make her an America hater? Care to provide some examples of evidence that she does indeed hate America, as I asked before?
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Re: Cheney censors global warming facts

They don't have evidence.

They have partisan rants and personal attacks.
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You say her opinions on America are "well documented." How does that make her an America hater? Care to provide some examples of evidence that she does indeed hate America, as I asked before?
You asked why many of us hold the opinions we do - and I told ya. I am also of the opinion that Brussel sprouts suck. Do you want documentation to support THAT?
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They don't have evidence.
LOL ok - you go on believing that...
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They have partisan rants and personal attacks.
Your partisan rants and personal attacks are some of the evidence...
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