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birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

Just when you thought they couldn't do anything more ridiculous or stupid then the damage they have done, Perhaps an effort to promote an explosion of stupid people to be potential Republicans.

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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

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Just when you thought they couldn't do anything more ridiculous or stupid then the damage they have done, Perhaps an effort to promote an explosion of stupid people to be potential Republicans.

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I just want Bush to stop. Just go to the ranch, shut the fuck up, and just stop. He has no regard for privacy in America any longer and should have been impeached a long time ago. Too bad liberals in America are a weak fucking lot, despite the fact that they control two-thirds of the gov't.

No Republican congress and senate would have ever let a Democrat President get away with starting two wars with nation building being the primary goals, and having leaked a covert operative's name.

There's so much more to worry about right now than the baby-making habits of private citizens.
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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

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I just want Bush to stop. Just go to the ranch, shut the fuck up, and just stop. He has no regard for privacy in America any longer and should have been impeached a long time ago. Too bad liberals in America are a weak fucking lot, despite the fact that they control two-thirds of the gov't.

No Republican congress and senate would have ever let a Democrat President get away with starting two wars with nation building being the primary goals, and having leaked a covert operative's name.

There's so much more to worry about right now than the baby-making habits of private citizens.
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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

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I just want Bush to stop. Just go to the ranch, shut the fuck up, and just stop. He has no regard for privacy in America any longer and should have been impeached a long time ago. Too bad liberals in America are a weak fucking lot, despite the fact that they control two-thirds of the gov't.

No Republican congress and senate would have ever let a Democrat President get away with starting two wars with nation building being the primary goals, and having leaked a covert operative's name.

There's so much more to worry about right now than the baby-making habits of private citizens.
hummmmmmmm, that statement is quite "unwrapped"...I guess you never sppted the afghanistan invasion(?) and bush didn't leak plames name , unless you have proof to submit as evidence?

As far as wars go, I'll take an Iraq to a vietnam anyday...but hey, thats me.
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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

This is real smart, especially in the run up to a close election.
Make sure every woman knows that the GOP doesn't think they are capable of making that kind of decision, about abortion or even contraception. McCain should back the president on this.
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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

that's so silly!

so they're saying i killed all that load (abortion! que horror!) because of i made a decision to use rubber or any form of contraception for that matter. should we expecting more re-definition?
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Child is a gift of God to us. Thus, if birth control has to be done then government should resort to some other options but not abortion.
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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

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I just want Bush to stop. Just go to the ranch, shut the fuck up, and just stop. He has no regard for privacy in America any longer and should have been impeached a long time ago. Too bad liberals in America are a weak fucking lot, despite the fact that they control two-thirds of the gov't.

No Republican congress and senate would have ever let a Democrat President get away with starting two wars with nation building being the primary goals, and having leaked a covert operative's name.

There's so much more to worry about right now than the baby-making habits of private citizens.
I agree, except it's really the whole Republican party. If they had any sense of decency or honor left they'd have all resigned and called for new elections to fill their vacant posts right after 2006, when the extent of their corruption, failure and rank hypocrisy had become so glaringly obvious.

We'll just have to do it for them in Nov, I guess.
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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

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Child is a gift of God to us. Thus, if birth control has to be done then government should resort to some other options but not abortion.
Sorry, I don't follow you. I sense that you are against abortion. Are you OK with birth control? Do you feel that birth conrtol is a type of abortion?
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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

If anyone thinks birth control is abortion then they are ignorant beyond belief and it's actually very, very simple to explain. In order to have an abortion, one must first conceive. The idea behind birth control is to prevent conception. If you've never conceived then it is impossible to have an abortion. Prevention of conception is NOT abortion. If someone doesn't understand this, then I'm not real sure what to say because I can't dumb it down any further for you.

And Bush will probably have a special place for me in Hell once I have my tubes tied
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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

Thank you...its very simple as you just explained Crystal. Some idiots just don't understand the difference between pre and post conception. (Not anyone in this thread but in general). I've heard so many utterly silly arguments that outlawing Roe or abortion is the same as outlawing the BCP, and more so tht the BCP is the same as the MAP! And everytime, some idiot will buy into that theory.
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Thank you...its very simple as you just explained Crystal. Some idiots just don't understand the difference between pre and post conception. (Not anyone in this thread but in general). I've heard so many utterly silly arguments that outlawing Roe or abortion is the same as outlawing the BCP, and more so tht the BCP is the same as the MAP! And everytime, some idiot will buy into that theory.
Because to Catholics it is, and outlawing abortion is only the first step in their agenda. I know this because I am Catholic.

If you think that's ridiculous remember that the founder of Planned Parenthood served time in prison just for letting women know that contraception was possible.
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Because to Catholics it is, and outlawing abortion is only the first step in their agenda. I know this because I am Catholic.

If you think that's ridiculous remember that the founder of Planned Parenthood served time in prison just for letting women know that contraception was possible.
Where the hypocrisy falls with many Catholics (or anyone else using religion as a scapegoat) is they don't believe in birth control or abortion, but they don't have a problem with pre-marital sex. Which is it when it comes to religion and sex or do you think you get to have it both ways?
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Re: birth control defined as abortion by bush administration

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If anyone thinks birth control is abortion then they are ignorant beyond belief and it's actually very, very simple to explain. In order to have an abortion, one must first conceive. The idea behind birth control is to prevent conception. If you've never conceived then it is impossible to have an abortion. Prevention of conception is NOT abortion. If someone doesn't understand this, then I'm not real sure what to say because I can't dumb it down any further for you.

And Bush will probably have a special place for me in Hell once I have my tubes tied
Actually, oral contraception has three mechanisms of action: it inhibits ovulation; it increase cervical mucosa so that the sperm has more difficulty getting through for fertilization; and it increase endometrial mucosa to prevent implantation of the fetilized egg. This latter mechanism of action is technically an abortion for the 'life begins at conception' crowd.

Thus, if they don't want to be the ultimate of hypocrits, this crowd needs to call for a ban of oral contracetives.
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The proposal defines abortion as follows: “any of the various procedures — including the prescription, dispensing and administration of any drug or the performance of any procedure or any other action — that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/wa...1byYxPujIAGUNw

I think the wording is broad but as this is just a proposal by someone in the Bush Administration, the wording can be changed.

The overall proposal for the good though.
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Under the draft of a proposed rule, hospitals, clinics, researchers and medical schools would have to sign “written certifications” as a prerequisite to getting money under any program run by the Department of Health and Human Services.

Such certification would also be required of state and local governments, forbidden to discriminate, in areas like grant-making, against hospitals and other institutions that have policies against providing abortion.

The proposal, which circulated in the department on Monday, says the new requirement is needed to ensure that federal money does not “support morally coercive or discriminatory practices or policies in violation of federal law.” The administration said Congress had passed a number of laws to ensure that doctors, hospitals and health plans would not be forced to perform abortions.
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