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View Poll Results: Is Obama a natural born citizen or is he a natural born subject.
He is a "natural born citizen" 28 58.33%
He is a "natural born subject" 6 12.50%
He is neither 11 22.92%
He is both 3 6.25%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-24-2008
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

hmm well analysis based off a crappy photo on the internet, not exactly concrete proof. I think you need another dose of shrooms
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

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Once again, just because conspiracies do happen, doesn't mean this one is not worthy of a tin foil hat picture. As speakeasy said, this one is pretty retarded.
Well, much of this could have been avoided if Obama would just release his birth certificate.

See...

Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor


It is silly to debate something which can be settled so easily. Obama needs to address the many lawsuits recently filed and produce his original birth certificate.


Lawsuits Starting Across the Nation Proceeding to Avert Potential Constitutional Crisis, Possible Civil Unrest, and Confidence in Elections; Lawsuits are being filed in Eight States Seeking to Require Barack Obama to Provide Certification of Birth in U.S. or Be Removed as Presidential Candidate on State Ballots.

Seattle WA. 10/22/2008 — Lawsuits in eight states as of this writing– Hawaii, Washington, California, Florida, Georgia. Pennsylvania, New York and Connecticut, are seeking judicial authority to force the certifying or decertifying of Senator Barack Obama’s qualification to run as a candidate for President as a natural born U.S. citizen. Previously, two lawsuits have failed to force the certifying documents from Obama.


THIS SITE CLAIMS THE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL IS LEGIT....

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

I don't understand how this can even be an issue after the election. It all should have been settled before Obama was even announced as a candidate.

It is ridiculous that Obama will not simply prove he is a natural born citizen of the USA. Is this too much to ask of a president elect, to prove he is eligible to be president? RELEASE ALL THE RECORDS. DUH. Settle this once and for all. Medical records are the only ones that I would consider private for a presidential canddidate, IMO. Some people disagree and belive even medical records should be released.

What I think would be interesting though, is to discuss what would happen in Obama was not found to be eligible.

What would we do? Have a new election? Would Bush stay president until we did it all over again? Would we allow McCain to become president since he was 2nd place?

lol, it sure would be interesting.
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Old 11-24-2008
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

^^ conservative pipe dreams.

You all get a beer for free if Obama should turn out to be not eligible for the Presidential office.
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

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^^ conservative pipe dreams.

You all get a beer for free if Obama should turn out to be not eligible for the Presidential office.
Well, if by chance you lose, I am not greedy and I will not ask for the most expensive beer in the world at 1,000 dollars a bottle.

I will settle for the 2nd most expensive beer, at only 100 dollars a bottle.



Although I doubt it is better than a Great Lakes Dortmunder, or even a Guiness, I really like the bottle.
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

OMG, now you've put ideas in his head!
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This only raises further question though. Like why is it only now we are recieving this evidence? Most presidential candidates submit their birth certificates at the onset to avoid this kind of scrutiny. I know some people won't be satisfied until they have Obama's social security card in their hands so that the texture and feel can be authenticated.
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

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Well, if by chance you lose, I am not greedy and I will not ask for the most expensive beer in the world at 1,000 dollars a bottle.

I will settle for the 2nd most expensive beer, at only 100 dollars a bottle.



Although I doubt it is better than a Great Lakes Dortmunder, or even a Guiness, I really like the bottle.
Because I would be nice... I would go for a quality beer available also in US shops with good assortment: Budweiser. I mean the real one Budweiser/Budvar from Budweis/Budějovice. My favorite and still reasonably priced.

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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

Now i've seen it all...
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

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Well, if by chance you lose, I am not greedy and I will not ask for the most expensive beer in the world at 1,000 dollars a bottle.

I will settle for the 2nd most expensive beer, at only 100 dollars a bottle.



Although I doubt it is better than a Great Lakes Dortmunder, or even a Guiness, I really like the bottle.
Very expensive beer is a sham.

No matter what type of brew you like, the fresher it is, the better. If they took the time to put it into a fancy copper container and charge $100 per bottle, chances are it's not super fresh....

Expensive red wine, expensive tequila, expensive cognac, or expensive scotch is worth it because they all age with purpose.......the same methodology does not apply to beer.

If you're going to spend hundreds on a beer, why not go to Dublin and get a freshly made pint at the Guinness brewery? Nothing better than that IMO.
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

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Well, much of this could have been avoided if Obama would just release his birth certificate.

See...

Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor


It is silly to debate something which can be settled so easily. Obama needs to address the many lawsuits recently filed and produce his original birth certificate.


Lawsuits Starting Across the Nation Proceeding to Avert Potential Constitutional Crisis, Possible Civil Unrest, and Confidence in Elections; Lawsuits are being filed in Eight States Seeking to Require Barack Obama to Provide Certification of Birth in U.S. or Be Removed as Presidential Candidate on State Ballots.

Seattle WA. 10/22/2008 — Lawsuits in eight states as of this writing– Hawaii, Washington, California, Florida, Georgia. Pennsylvania, New York and Connecticut, are seeking judicial authority to force the certifying or decertifying of Senator Barack Obama’s qualification to run as a candidate for President as a natural born U.S. citizen. Previously, two lawsuits have failed to force the certifying documents from Obama.


THIS SITE CLAIMS THE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL IS LEGIT....

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

I don't understand how this can even be an issue after the election. It all should have been settled before Obama was even announced as a candidate.

It is ridiculous that Obama will not simply prove he is a natural born citizen of the USA. Is this too much to ask of a president elect, to prove he is eligible to be president? RELEASE ALL THE RECORDS. DUH. Settle this once and for all. Medical records are the only ones that I would consider private for a presidential canddidate, IMO. Some people disagree and belive even medical records should be released.

What I think would be interesting though, is to discuss what would happen in Obama was not found to be eligible.

What would we do? Have a new election? Would Bush stay president until we did it all over again? Would we allow McCain to become president since he was 2nd place?

lol, it sure would be interesting.
Would Biden become President like it says in the Constitution?

I can see why he won't release his records. It's because he pretty much already has and the naysayers STILL won't accept that so what makes anyone think they won't just call the "vault" copy a fake too? After all, the fakery they're already proposing involves the entire govt of the US, BOTH parties top commands, most of the major news orgs etc etc etc what the hell, you're saying it's hard to add a few more "vault" attendants (or whatever the title really is) to the list of apparently every liberal and most conservatives in America?

Now OTOH there's nothing I love better than watching Republicans make fools of themselves but Jesus GOD this is SO silly. Meritocrats saying Obama's going to send all the whites to internment camps has more basis, at least there IS a FEMA.
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

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Yeah, what's wrong with you people? Konspiracies never happen.

I mean, just because Frank Raines, former CEO of Fannie Mae has to pay back 24 million dollars to stay out of jail, that doesn't mean there are Konspiracies.

I mean, just because the mass media has ingored this story so far, with only one journalist covering it at a Washington Post blog, that doesn't prove there are Konspiracies.

Raines, Federal Regulators Reach Settlement - WashBiz Blog - A blog about businesses in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan region, written by The Washington Post's Dan Beyers and Terri Rupar

The regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, said Raines had agreed to forgo stock, cash and other benefits worth $24.7 million in exchange for dismissing the charges against him. However, the regulator's estimate wasn't the only way of looking at the value of the settlement.

The agreement includes stock options worth $15.6 million at the time they were issued; those options are currently under water. They entitled Raines to buy shares at prices of $77.10 and higher. Fannie Mae's shares are currently trading at about $29, so the options Raines is surrendering would not produce any benefit to him unless the share price rose dramatically, according to sources familiar with the settlement who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be seen as criticizing the regulator.

OFHEO said Raines's settlement also includes the payment of $2 million to the federal government. That sum would be covered by a Fannie Mae insurance policy, the sources said.

The settlement also includes proceeds from the sale of stock worth $1.8 million, to be donated to programs aimed at assisting financially strapped homeowners. Those are shares Raines had been fighting in court to obtain from Fannie Mae.

He also agreed to part with $5.3 million in other unspecified benefits, OFHEO said.

Raines was one of three former Fannie Mae executives to settle.


Nope, no Konspiracy here.

Silly rabbit, konspiracies don't exist.
Indeed, the kneejerk responses (particularly the use of "humor" to attack the proposed idea) of some individuals to possible conspiracies are interesting. Their a priori position, that people do not conspire, is what is absurd.
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

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Because I would be nice... I would go for a quality beer available also in US shops with good assortment: Budweiser. I mean the real one Budweiser/Budvar from Budweis/Budějovice. My favorite and still reasonably priced.
I heard Budweiser offered them a lot of money to stop making beer and they turned it down.

According to the LA Times they were offered 232 million, but the deal didn't go through. That's a lot of money.
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Would Biden become President like it says in the Constitution?
I don't believe so.

Obama isn't Vice-President, he's the Vice-President elect. That's a huge distinction. The ascension of the Vice President to thPresidency is well covered in the Constitution. The ascension of the Vice-President Elect is not.

If (and I stress that I believe it's a huge "if") Obama were to be found ineligible, prior to his assuming the office, then the office would have to go to the person who got the next highest number of votes for President, which would be McCain. In theory, I think Dennis Kucinich would stand a better chance of getting the office than Biden (assuming some people wrote Kucinich in).

The kicker here is that I think Biden would still be the Vice-President Elect, at least until he either pulled out or was replaced by McCain.

This is, of course, all speculation, as nothing like this has ever happened before, and I think it could be the very definition of a Constitutional crisis if it did happen...
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Re: Expert states obama birth certificate counterfeit:

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Everyone is saying there are no konspiracies, I thought I would give an example of a very, very recent one. One ignored by the mass media, excpet for the POST and now I have also found it at that NEWS POWER HOUSE the Seattle Times.

lol

People who just dismiss conspiracies are closed minded and need to learn that conspiracies happen every flipping day in this country.

Every flipping day.
Spot on.

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The people have been so well conditioned by the mass media, government and schools to dismiss any conspiracy, it has become a part of pop culture.
Indeed. As we know, pop culture is excrement.

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The masses automatically dismiss any information which even hints at a conspiracy. The people have become so well conditioned, I wonder if the salivate when the word conspiracy is mentioned?
They will do nearly anything that they are conditioned to do. They are utterly pathetic.

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Please, do not dismiss information just because it is a conspiracy. Conspiracies are quite common and if people would just realize this simple fact, then I would have no need to remind people.
It is sad that someone needs to actually state these elementary points.
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