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I often find myself wondering (about every 4 or 8 years) 'why are these political appointments'? I get the one's like SecDef, SecState etc but SG? Head of CIA? Why are they political?
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If they're practicing as specialists (as opposed to merely primary care), and have no publications in peer-reviewed journals or no track record of any original R&D, then they are not real doctors (the fact that they're legally allowed to practice is irrelevant). No exceptions.
Please list the criteria which differentiates someone with nothing more than "M.D? after their name from a "real" doctor...
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Again, you offer zero support for anything in your last, bolded paragraph. Cite some statistics for specialist MD's w/and w/out PhD and let the data fall where it will, or stop embarassing yourself.
Part of a specialist's job is diagnosis. The ability to diagnose accurately depends on one's ability to apply existing knowledge to form a conclusion and/or to order further relevant tests to isolate it and/or to do additional research.

The ability to do this can only be required through original research experience. And unfortunately, the M. D. degree doesn't even require it.

Medical school (and residency/intern) training at best only drills a bunch of facts/procedures into the student's head. And that doesn't cut it. When it comes time to diagnose a condition, unless that M. D. is very lucky (the diagnosis was one that was drilled into his head via memorization of specific procedures, he'll be SOL.

But if it was that simple (i. e. diagnosis thru memorization) a doctor wouldn't even be needed. Test/radiology results + WebMD would do
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Part of a specialist's job is diagnosis. The ability to diagnose accurately depends on one's ability to apply existing knowledge to form a conclusion and/or to order further relevant tests to isolate it and/or to do additional research.

The ability to do this can only be required through original research experience. And unfortunately, the M. D. degree doesn't even require it.

Medical school (and residency/intern) training at best only drills a bunch of facts/procedures into the student's head. And that doesn't cut it. When it comes time to diagnose a condition, unless that M. D. is very lucky (the diagnosis was one that was drilled into his head via memorization of specific procedures, he'll be SOL.

But if it was that simple (i. e. diagnosis thru memorization) a doctor wouldn't even be needed. Test/radiology results + WebMD would do
PROOF, cupcake, PROOF. Either post proof that specialists without a Ph. D. aren't real doctors or admit you're wrong. As much as you've regurgitated the shit, you should be able to prove it.

(BTW, we're too intelligent for you to dazzle us with brilliance or baffle us with bullshit so try some real proof, okay?)
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Part of a specialist's job is diagnosis. The ability to diagnose accurately depends on one's ability to apply existing knowledge to form a conclusion and/or to order further relevant tests to isolate it and/or to do additional research.

The ability to do this can only be required through original research experience. And unfortunately, the M. D. degree doesn't even require it.

Medical school (and residency/intern) training at best only drills a bunch of facts/procedures into the student's head. And that doesn't cut it. When it comes time to diagnose a condition, unless that M. D. is very lucky (the diagnosis was one that was drilled into his head via memorization of specific procedures, he'll be SOL.

But if it was that simple (i. e. diagnosis thru memorization) a doctor wouldn't even be needed. Test/radiology results + WebMD would do
You have no idea what one must do to become a specialist, do you?
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You have no idea what one must do to become a specialist, do you?


I don't think he understands anything at all about the medical biz.
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Then the vast, vast majority of MDs in this country are idiots, by your standard,
Congrats. You finally got it. Why do you think malpractice insurance rates are so high

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since most of them are too busy working for a living. You know, treating patients? Perhaps you've heard of that?

Please do pardon my frankness, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Practicing science professionally requires original research experience.

But clearly, someone who doesn't understand science wouldn't know what I was talking about.

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And this is relevant exactly how?

I grew up in a medical family (father, sister, uncle). I know innumerable doctors. I'm dating a doctor. Not one of them, although all specialists, have a PhD, nor do they need or desire one.
If they have no Ph. D. and also no publications in any journals and/or no patents/innovations/original contributions to the field of medicine, then they're not real doctors, period. Standards are high, life's tough.

Of course it's a no-brainer that anyone w/an M. D. can legally practice as a specialist, but that doesn't make that person a real doctor, no more than being elected/appointed Pres makes one a real leader--a fact that's become brutally obvious to Americans after 8 years.

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After one begin's a practise, there is simply no use for it, and, even if one had one, it's no guarantee that it would be relevant or applicable to daily use.
The truth is that doctors typically don't get paid significantly more for them to train in MD-Ph. D. programs or get their Ph. Ds after their MDs. The financial incentive doesn't exist, so they don't bother. So many "specialists" just stick w/their M. Ds (do no research) and practice dummy medicine while their patients are screwed over.

However, anyone who calls himself a physician and doesn't think original research ability is relevant to the daily practice of medicine is 100% clueless. I have zero tolerance for anyone who calls himself competent in a professional field that requires original thinking but has no record of engaging in it.
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You have no idea what one must do to become a specialist, do you?
It requires a thinking brain (as opposed to being just legally permitted)--a concept that typically escapes right wingers.
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PROOF, cupcake, PROOF. Either post proof that specialists without a Ph. D. aren't real doctors
A specialist w/no original contribution to his/her field (either with or without a Ph. D.) isn't really a "specialist", right?

Logic has always escaped Mrs. M
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Congrats. You finally got it. Why do you think malpractice insurance rates are so high



Practicing science professionally requires original research experience.

But clearly, someone who doesn't understand science wouldn't know what I was talking about.

If they have no Ph. D. and also no publications in any journals and/or no patents/innovations/original contributions to the field of medicine, then they're not real doctors, period. Standards are high, life's tough.

Of course it's a no-brainer that anyone w/an M. D. can legally practice as a specialist, but that doesn't make that person a real doctor, no more than being elected/appointed Pres makes one a real leader--a fact that's become brutally obvious to Americans after 8 years.

The truth is that doctors typically don't get paid significantly more for them to train in MD-Ph. D. programs or get their Ph. Ds after their MDs. The financial incentive doesn't exist, so they don't bother. So many "specialists" just stick w/their M. Ds (do no research) and practice dummy medicine while their patients are screwed over.

However, anyone who calls himself a physician and doesn't think original research ability is relevant to the daily practice of medicine is 100% clueless. I have zero tolerance for anyone who calls himself competent in a professional field that requires original thinking but has no record of engaging in it.
Have you got diarrhea or something??? You keep shitting out the same words over and over and have yet to post any proof. Either post the proof or plug your asshole.
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It requires a thinking brain (as opposed to being just legally permitted)--a concept that typically escapes right wingers.
[Emphasis mine] Do you have a permit to operate yours? (Poor word use is so much fun.)
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A specialist w/no original contribution to his/her field (either with or without a Ph. D.) isn't really a "specialist", right?

Logic has always escaped Mrs. M


by this foolish definition there would be only one specialist in any area as the purported requirement would make for a subspecialization.

give it up kid, you are so wrong its not even funny anymore.
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[Emphasis mine] Do you have a permit to operate yours?

I wish his dad would slap some training wheels on his
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Have you got diarrhea or something??? You keep shitting out the same words over and over and have yet to post any proof. Either post the proof or plug your asshole.


he would be shocked at how little is required for some specializations. and in some countries all you need to do is declare it.
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