Solletica, perhaps you could just save yourself some time and say, "I don't have a fucking clue about medicine; I'm just talking out of my ass."

It'd be the same thing, just a lot less wordy.

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Yawn. More baseless claims based on opinion that itself is based on non-quantifiable characteristics. I assure you, insurance actuaries do no have an 'idiot' table that they use in their calculations.What utter pedantic bullshit. Practicing medicine most certainly does not require this, as the vast majority of physicians over human history have shown. Your word games are transparent and meaningless.

You're saying that all pilots who aren't doctorates in avionics or physics are not really flying and it's outrageous they call themselves pilots.Take you, for example.

I know all about science. What did you want me to clear up for you?Show me where all the physicians are who are doing this, and in what numbers.Again, more semantic bullshit word-games to support your 'point'; no one here buys it.It's obvious you know nothing about how the field of medicine works, or sciene in general. There are researchers and their are practioners, and their worlds almost never exist at the same time, in the same place, although they complement each other.I have zero tolerance for people such as yourself who bray on and on endlessly about things they are tragically pig-ignorant of.

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Thanks for pointing that out. Looks like it's another thread where other posters (i. e. daddio) are helping me make my point

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Solletica, stop this. Its getting pathetic...i have largely stayed out of this thread because i despise Asian doctors/durgeons but this is just cringeworthy.

My mom spent her entire career in medicine and sent more than 2 decades working as a surgeon. Various other government agencies used to have their own SG offices, and she's headed up one and headed up various medical departments within the government.

If she read this thread, she'd think you need to be sectioned or committed under the mental health provisions. There is not one single thing you have said that has made any sense of any sort. Give it up.

To boot, Mrs. M and Pram have both worked in the medical field (as a nurse and EMT) and both have told you that you're shovelling shit, all you've done is made everyone who has read this thread, want to go and have a shower.

hardly.
your claim is that a PhD is required to be a specialist.

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So malpractice insurance rates have no relationship to the performance of those practicing as doctors?

(yep, insurance actuaries just make up numbers)

Practicing medicine doesn't legally require it, as I've said over 1000 times The relevant issue is the track record of physicians who practice in modern times, a record which can be adequately described by. . .

Statistics on Medical Malpractice Lawsuits «

False analogy--a pilot's job doesn't require any original on-the-job scientific analysis (as opposed to what's expected of doctors).

In a specialty field where insight and original thinking can save lives, being a proficient researcher definitely makes one a better practitioner.

And maybe if MP rates didn't top $200K/yr., your notion about doctors' training being sufficient would have some credibility.

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Okay, we've got it...you have no proof....you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. Too bad you're still trying to convince everyone that you're intelligent but thanks for giving us all a laugh today.

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My Presidential voting record (as opposed to yours and Mrs. M's) pretty much suffices as a permit in this forum

I could bring up my college degree, but that would be overkill.

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Whoa, I better call us Vanderbilt and let them in on this!

An MD does not have to also have a PhD to practice in a specialty. They don't even have to be board certified in that specialty unless it is required by the practice he works in.

Most who do get some kind of PhD work at university hospitals and they can go to school for free. It's part of their employment package.

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Excellent. If she can prove her point, let her have it. Additionally, we can even bet on it. How's $5000?

Man those two-year degree certification folks sure are intimidating .

Of course, no one really expects a nurse or EMT to offer an authoritative diagnosis (most nurses aren't even authorized to diagnose anything).

But I'll take my hat off to them (if I had one). If I had to work as hard for $38 - 42K/yr, I wouldn't show up to work except maybe twice a month.

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No, I never said that. That you would even as such a question shows the desperation behind your statments.That link does nothing to support what you've stated.Neither is it expected of doctors, other than by you.Zero evidence of this other than your uneducated opinion.You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, and haven't answered where the MD with PhDs are and how many of them there are.

As such, and with your unable to actually answer what is asked or support what you've stated, we're done here.

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Assuming you're telling the truth about your college degree, you're living proof that you don't have to be intelligent to get a degree in theatrics.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

For whom did I vote and how is that relevant to anything in this thread?

Those are only the legal requirements, as I've said over and over and over. But simply meeting the legal requirement to practice isn't enough to qualify one as a real doctor, just as simply being elected/appointed Pres is insufficient to qualify one as a real leader.

In terms of the Ph. D., I already recanted that requirement, saying that any kind of original work or research, with or without a Ph. D. is a requirement to be considered a true doctor. But the original work is a hard requirement. If one doesn't have it, he/she cannot be called a doctor.

Someone who treats patients in an area is inevitably going to encounter medical conditions with which he/she is unfamiliar. At that point, that's where the original thinking/research comes in. A person who has no experience with that will fail at that point, and consequently, many of these "doctors" do.

I could cite the stats showing the no. of suits filed due to misdiagnoses or erroneous treatments.

They can but they won't, which I've already pointed out, because there's no immediate financial incentive. A neurosurgeon w/no Ph. D. will make $450-$700k/yr. With a Ph. D. and/or publications, he'll make the same, unless he/she can successfully market that doctorate to differentiate himself, enough to justify not contracting w/insurance cos.

At that point, a neurosurgeon can make several million a year.

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