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Re: Obama's CAFE Standards May Put More Lives in Danger

So the truth comes out. Hippies are afraid but can't bring themselves to drop the golf cart and get real vehicle, so they are going to take away ours.
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Re: Obama's CAFE Standards May Put More Lives in Danger

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$10/gallon - you still thinking about that Escalade?

Ok, pimps, rap stars, and the wealthy will still have their big cars and SUVs.
But as gasoline climbs back up, the trend is to smaller fuel efficient vehicles.
So yeah, somewhere there will be a Shelby GT Mustang sucking gasoline and burning rubber, but most people will do what people do when gas is expensive, and drive small cars.
This won't be the case in Saudi Arabia where gas is still 29 cents a gallon, or in Venezuela where you can fill up a Hummer for $5. But in the US gas prices are heading to small car territory, because this is no longer a petroleum producing nation, we are a petroleum importing nation and the sooner we face up to that the better for everyone.
I wonder how fuel efficient it will be to transport bricks in a Smart Car.
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So the truth comes out. Hippies are afraid but can't bring themselves to drop the golf cart and get real vehicle, so they are going to take away ours.


I'm seriously considering an SUV for my next vehicle for several reasons. It'll hold more if I have to evacuate, I have three grandkids, I prefer trucks over cars and to piss people off as they wonder why some little 5'2" 110 lb. woman needs such a gas guzzler!!!
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I wonder how fuel efficient it will be to transport bricks in a Smart Car.
If you only need to carry 3 bricks, it's much more efficient than using an 18 wheeler...............
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I'm seriously considering an SUV for my next vehicle for several reasons. It'll hold more if I have to evacuate, I have three grandkids, I prefer trucks over cars and to piss people off as they wonder why some little 5'2" 110 lb. woman needs such a gas guzzler!!!
I hope that good feeling keeps the smile on your face as the pump goes by $100 without slowing down. I guess you'll get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that Hugo Chavez needs the money.
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If you only need to carry 3 bricks, it's much more efficient than using an 18 wheeler...............
Oh, gee, thanks, Goob! What was I thinking? Nobody ever needs to transport bricks in quantities larger than 3!

And when they do, they're obviously fat cats driving the most expensive cars!

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I hope that good feeling keeps the smile on your face as the pump goes by $100 without slowing down. I guess you'll get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that Hugo Chavez needs the money.
Not a problem. I don't commute so even when the price of gas went up to $4, it really didn't affect me.
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I'm seriously considering an SUV for my next vehicle for several reasons. It'll hold more if I have to evacuate, I have three grandkids, I prefer trucks over cars and to piss people off as they wonder why some little 5'2" 110 lb. woman needs such a gas guzzler!!!
Personally, I'd love to tailor the vehicle I'm driving to the task at hand. But there's simply no disputing the need for large vehicles for some things people need to do.

And there is no chance in hell I'm driving something where my chin is over the steering wheel.
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Personally, I'd love to tailor the vehicle I'm driving to the task at hand. But there's simply no disputing the need for large vehicles for some things people need to do.

And there is no chance in hell I'm driving something where my chin is over the steering wheel.
So we can expect that you will be taking a cab?

Read the paper. The days of the gas guzzler are numbered.
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Personally, I'd love to tailor the vehicle I'm driving to the task at hand. But there's simply no disputing the need for large vehicles for some things people need to do.

And there is no chance in hell I'm driving something where my chin is over the steering wheel.
With three grandkids and family vacations, the larger vehicles are definitely a must. When 12 of us went to Orlando (only one grandchild went that time), we took four vehicles though two of us flew since we had to come back early. As it is now, one grandchild (14 mos.) is still in a car seat, one (4 yrs.) in a booster seat and the oldest one (10 yrs.) sits in the front because I drive an Altima and it's just too crowded in the back. I also have two step-grandchildren (ages 13 yrs and 5 yrs.) and there's just no way I can take them all anywhere at one time.
I'll never own anything smaller than the Altima I have now. As it is, I've been meaning to have the airbag disabled in it because as short as I am, it'd probably do more harm than good in a crash. My next vehicle will have adjustable pedals!!!!!
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So we can expect that you will be taking a cab?

Read the paper. The days of the gas guzzler are numbered.
And thats suppose to save the planet, pay someone else to drive me around? Sounds a lot like "carbon credits". Cabs don't come to my house anyway.

You can pry whatever vehicle I choose to drive out of my cold dead hand. And your going to need something a lot bigger than a midget mobile to do it.
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Re: Obama's CAFE Standards May Put More Lives in Danger

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Of course everyone would be "safer" if we all drove around in Abrams tanks. Then a little collision would rattle us, but we wouldn't suffer the sort of injuries which kill thousands of Americans every year in the more easily crumpled vehicles which are currently popular.

But we wouldn't get very good gas mileage.

Actually Abrams tanks are far more dangerous than ordinary cars.
If you hit a solid object in a tank, such as a bridge piling, you are going to die in a tank.
The tank becomes as stationary as the bridge piling, and your head makes contact with it with enough energy to kill you, even at slow speed.
That is why tank crews wear padded helmets, and still have a high mortality rate from accidents.
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Re: Obama's CAFE Standards May Put More Lives in Danger

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Your ignorance of the real world is monumental.

Who fares better against a 300 lb deer crossing the highway, the trucker in an eighteen wheeler, or the motorcyclist? Actually use your brain, and picture the two different scenarios. Then come back and apologize for posting such nonsense.

That is foolish.
The cause of the injuries when a 18 wheeler hits a motorcycle is the weight of the 18 wheeler.
If we all drove cars as light as motorcycles, then there would be far fewer deaths.
And smaller cars also are much better at avoiding the accidents in the first place.

This is easily proven by Europe and Asia, where cars are much smaller and there are far fewer fatalities per driver.
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Oh, gee, thanks, Goob! What was I thinking? Nobody ever needs to transport bricks in quantities larger than 3!

And when they do, they're obviously fat cats driving the most expensive cars!
So you use a Cadillac to transport bricks?
What does transporting bricks have to do with passenger vehicles?
If you need to transport a couple of tons of bricks at a time a truck capable of carrying a couple of tons of bricks would make sense.
You can't carry that many bricks in an SUV, you'll wreck the suspension with the weight of the bricks before you get anywhere near filling the cargo area.

I'm just saying that gasoline is going to cost a lot more than it does now and most people will have smaller cars than they do now.
And people are arguing with that.
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This is easily proven by Europe and Asia, where cars are much smaller and there are far fewer fatalities per driver.
Do they drive over 40?
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