Already posted.

He's personally taken over the Commerce Dept which controls the national census, placed the controls in the West Wing, and he's funding ACORN in the stimulus bill.

Once the census is done they'll redistrict key districts to favor their candidates. ACORN will flood the polls with millions of new registrations.

Obama is going around the Constitution by appointing a zar for just about every issue he dreams up. They're paid by our taxes but they answer to no one but Obama.

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Pot, meet kettle.

Maybe someday you'll come up with something other then insults to prove your point.

It's always............"No, you suck". "This is soooooooo stupid".

You're gonna have to do better then that.

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That post is the honesty equivalent of 'hiking in Appalachia'.

Oh, just for fun: what's a 'zar'.

The problem being that the Iranian people feel that their government is illegit so talking to them is establishing a false legitimacy and thus making us a party to their illegitimacy. So the Iranian people will hate us for it.

Bad call, if you as my opinion. What the people think should be more important but Obama really doesn't give a shit what the pee-ons think anyway.

And let us not forget that this same Iranian government has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of our kids in uniform over the years. But you folks don't give a flying-fuck about them now. Bush is out of office. Caring about dead soldiers is a thing of the past to you'all.

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Well, one would assume that as the sole executive he would have control over the commerce department as well and in a economic crisis having leverage and controls over such a key department would make sense. As a question, was Abe Lincoln tyring to rig the election when he enlisted the help of Weed? Was he trying to give the civil war to the south when he took control of the telegraph post in Washnington and gave McCellen direct orders? after all, he was a boarderline southerner and with your gneral reasoning that seems to be enough to damn someone.

Okay, I'm going to ask again now. Evidence. Real hard facts, not assertions now 'he will do this' but evidence that he is doing this. You seem to criticise him for doing things every president does; he appoints tsars (I prsume) to be in charge of things! Wow! because no president does that.

All officals in the US executive are answerable to Obama and Congress, all positions he appoints (as is his perogative) are answerable to Congress. He hasn't done anything unusal.

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Interesting...

I really would go further to engage with you yet since you are continually unwilling to back up anything you say further than a few sentences I have to ask, is there any point?

Further I dont think my position re your efforts is such a tangent when its apparant that most of the participants on this thread and this board agree with me when I look around.

However, that said if you promise to stick around and argue at least one of your outlandish claims to a further extent than 'its my opinion' I will give you a go rather than simply calling you out as a deceiver. fair enough?

ok, you tell us that;
So please back this up that all the Iranian people feel their government is illegit.

then also please follow Wharfdale tigers request;

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Guess who?

You will find that none of the righwing extremists can or will back up anything they say with anythig tangible. They are simply extremely uniformed people who are capitalizing on the campaign of harrasment leveled on the president by the right. The extremists use venues like this forum - because they can. They get to see their nonsense in print and they feel heard.

I find it to be a shame because these folks can't at all engage in meaningful debate - they don't posess the capacity, and it really defeats the fun of this type of medium. These pople are impervius to any factual evidence and they just reply with more hysteria because that's all they are prepared to do.

Sometimes pot shots come in, that are really very funny: I'm guilty of it. But these people won't change. Any smart rightwingers know that our opposition arguments are correct, but they're certianly not going to come around here. Although I will say, that there are some from the right in this forum that are very very good at crytical thinking and analysis and put up excellent arguments that make it a workout, and that's the way it's supposed to be.

I think that perhaps the best thing to do with the mudwhistle type is to just completely ignore them - maybe that will work to show them the true value of ther opinions, and maybe they'll just go away after a time.

Proof!! Where is Iran responsible for killing thousands of Americans...

Jumping back to the OP... Needs a little work to be a viable conspiracy theory, but then maybe the actual conspiracy isn't fully in place yet. It loses some steam based on the 'Bush will incite/allow/plan a terrorist attack' stupidity that preceded it, but seems quite plausible (at least in intent, not sure about execution, given the scale involved) for those of us who bother to remember The Big O is a product of the Chicago Political Machine.

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Tomorrow's forecast: 100% chance of more 'politics as usual'

Maybe it's finally time to vote Libertarian

I can't believe that your even hinting at taking that nonsense seriously. The president may be from the area of Chicago, but what has he done - or said for tha matter, that leads you conclude that he's connectd in any way to any political machine?

By training Somalis to kill Rangers in Mogadishu in 93'......


By training insurgents to kill our troops on the ground in Iraq....


And by providing the IEDs that work against armor......


Yes, they're responsible for the death of thousands.

Wake up.

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By placing the Commerce Dept. in the West Wing he took Congress out of the loop. Congress is supposed to have oversight over every Dept. but now we have zars for every issue Obama can dream of and they don't answer to Congress. The only reason he can get away with this is because nobody will stop him. Congress is Democrat controlled and they aren't about to say anything.

The situation has changed in Washington. The Constitution is being ignored. Right now Obama can have the 22nd Amendment revolked if he wants to. He has the votes now. He has to do it before Nov. of next year. A bill is already in the works.

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A majority of the Iranian people believe the election was a sham not all.

You ask a question that has a false premise.

When someone says The Iranian People it assumes that this is the popular majority. Never would one assume that every single friggen Iranian believes the same thing.

You want me to go to the trouble of proving my point then try to refrain from playing games.

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Been a Democrat, and dared to run against a Republican, and even worse, he won.

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Is there a bloody forehead award at the year end USPOL awards? Should be.

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