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Old 07-01-2009
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Re: Obama Isn't Saying Much About Iran Elections Because He Plans On Stealing Electio

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Been a Democrat, and dared to run against a Republican, and even worse, he won.
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Old 07-02-2009
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By placing the Commerce Dept. in the West Wing he took Congress out of the loop. Congress is supposed to have oversight over every Dept. but now we have zars for every issue Obama can dream of and they don't answer to Congress. The only reason he can get away with this is because nobody will stop him. Congress is Democrat controlled and they aren't about to say anything.

The situation has changed in Washington. The Constitution is being ignored. Right now Obama can have the 22nd Amendment revolked if he wants to. He has the votes now. He has to do it before Nov. of next year. A bill is already in the works.
The Commerce department was based in Congress before? Quite how is this preventing oversight, it was already based in a different building, not it just based in another one. Shouldn't affect oversight at all. Ever executive appointment, even of tsars (as you like the call them, having looked into it they're just executive officers) is overseen by congress and can be removed by congress. He's done nothing different to every single president so far.

Any evidence that he wants that amendment revoked; having just looked it up the only site I've found on it is a far right wing one (selling NWO t-shirts, amoung other things) and theres no evidence he's sponsoring the bill. Oh, and he dosn't have the votes. He needs 66 in the senate to pass it and far more in the house thans he's got.
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Obama Isn't Saying Much About Iran Elections Because He Plans On Stealing Electio

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The president may be from the area of Chicago, but what has he done - or said for tha matter, that leads you conclude that he's connectd in any way to any political machine?
He's a significant Chicago Democrat. For those who know the area, that's all that's needed.

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Been a Democrat, and dared to run against a Republican, and even worse, he won.
Using 'machine' very loosely, yes, that would qualify! Sadly, I don't begrudge Obama his victories - In running for the Senate, the Republicans put a bad choice up against him. Not being familiar with Obama, even I naively thought an unknown was better than a known bad choice. In running for President, the Republicans again put a bad choice up to run against him. Had the press actually done their job, things might have turned out differently, but perhaps not given that the Pres race is largely a popularity contest and The Big O admittedly seems much more likable than McCain.
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Obama Isn't Saying Much About Iran Elections Because He Plans On Stealing Electio

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He's a significant Chicago Democrat. For those who know the area, that's all that's needed.

Using 'machine' very loosely, yes, that would qualify! Sadly, I don't begrudge Obama his victories - In running for the Senate, the Republicans put a bad choice up against him. Not being familiar with Obama, even I naively thought an unknown was better than a known bad choice. In running for President, the Republicans again put a bad choice up to run against him. Had the press actually done their job, things might have turned out differently, but perhaps not given that the Pres race is largely a popularity contest and The Big O admittedly seems much more likable than McCain.
Has it yet occurred to you that a political party which consistently presents the electorate with "bad choices" has no moral authority?
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The Commerce department was based in Congress before? Quite how is this preventing oversight, it was already based in a different building, not it just based in another one. Shouldn't affect oversight at all. Ever executive appointment, even of tsars (as you like the call them, having looked into it they're just executive officers) is overseen by congress and can be removed by congress. He's done nothing different to every single president so far.

Any evidence that he wants that amendment revoked; having just looked it up the only site I've found on it is a far right wing one (selling NWO t-shirts, amoung other things) and theres no evidence he's sponsoring the bill. Oh, and he dosn't have the votes. He needs 66 in the senate to pass it and far more in the house thans he's got.
Obama put a puppet in charge of the Commerce Dept. Someone who won't speak up when he starts strong-arming him.....threatening him to go along.

Congress isn't about to police itself much less the President in their own party. They are the only thing in a position to stop him. Anyone who brings a lawsuit against Obama will have to wait years for it to reach the Supreme Court. The normal checks and balances in Washington are a thing of the past.

There already has been a bill introduced in January to revoke the 22nd Amendment. Check the Congressional record if you don't believe me. It doesn't matter if Obama ordered it or not. It's already in the works.
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Re: Obama Isn't Saying Much About Iran Elections Because He Plans On Stealing Electio

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Obama put a puppet in charge of the Commerce Dept. Someone who won't speak up when he starts strong-arming him.....threatening him to go along.

Congress isn't about to police itself much less the President in their own party. They are the only thing in a position to stop him. Anyone who brings a lawsuit against Obama will have to wait years for it to reach the Supreme Court. The normal checks and balances in Washington are a thing of the past.

There already has been a bill introduced in January to revoke the 22nd Amendment. Check the Congressional record if you don't believe me. It doesn't matter if Obama ordered it or not. It's already in the works.
Are you sure your name isn't Osoma Ben-Ladin?
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Old 07-03-2009
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Obama put a puppet in charge of the Commerce Dept. Someone who won't speak up when he starts strong-arming him.....threatening him to go along.

Congress isn't about to police itself much less the President in their own party. They are the only thing in a position to stop him. Anyone who brings a lawsuit against Obama will have to wait years for it to reach the Supreme Court. The normal checks and balances in Washington are a thing of the past.

There already has been a bill introduced in January to revoke the 22nd Amendment. Check the Congressional record if you don't believe me. It doesn't matter if Obama ordered it or not. It's already in the works.
I checked it, its in there but I doubt it'll get anywhere. Politicallt its impossible and from the congressional record it seems that someone has introduced the same bill for the last 10 years (and each time its been turned down) I doubt it'll even reach the floor. POlitically its impossible.

So, when the republicans had the huge majority in 02 did you think the same, that congress was now useless?

In your executive system Obama can choose whoever he wants to be in his cabinate just as every president has done. He's doing nothing new at all.
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Old 07-03-2009
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Re: Obama Isn't Saying Much About Iran Elections Because He Plans On Stealing Electio

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A majority of the Iranian people believe the election was a sham not all.

You ask a question that has a false premise.

When someone says The Iranian People it assumes that this is the popular majority. Never would one assume that every single friggen Iranian believes the same thing.

You want me to go to the trouble of proving my point then try to refrain from playing games.
Fair enough, Im always willing to be fair.

So prove that the majority of Iranians feel their gov is illigit.
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Fair enough, Im always willing to be fair.

So prove that the majority of Iranians feel their gov is illigit.
I guess you haven't been awake the last couple of weeks. Thousands of them have been protesting and many dying. I remember the same thing happening in 78' and 79'. It looked just like it does today.

The vote showed the current Prez losing badly and within a couple hours it reversed and showed Prez Tom winning in a landslide. However the Iranian street told a different story. They didn't take the time to count the ballots. That is what the people of Iran are so pissed about.

But really, why do you care one way or another? If the people of Iran have this perception that they've been hosed then the government in power is not legit. This is no skin off your back and what you think doesn't amount to a bucket of piss anyway.
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I checked it, its in there but I doubt it'll get anywhere. Politicallt its impossible and from the congressional record it seems that someone has introduced the same bill for the last 10 years (and each time its been turned down) I doubt it'll even reach the floor. POlitically its impossible.

So, when the republicans had the huge majority in 02 did you think the same, that congress was now useless?

In your executive system Obama can choose whoever he wants to be in his cabinate just as every president has done. He's doing nothing new at all.
I hate to bring you up to current events but Obama just got his supermajority when Al Franken won his case a few days ago to become Minnesota's new Senator.

Now it's a sure thing if they decide to push it.

After all of the stunts Obamas pulled so far I'm not putting nothing past him.

Everything that I've predected for almost a year has come to pass so continue to doubt me.
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I hate to bring you up to current events but Obama just got his supermajority when Al Franken won his case a few days ago to become Minnesota's new Senator.

Now it's a sure thing if they decide to push it.

After all of the stunts Obamas pulled so far I'm not putting nothing past him.

Everything that I've predected for almost a year has come to pass so continue to doubt me.
Are you willing to bet here and now that this will happen?
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Re: Obama Isn't Saying Much About Iran Elections Because He Plans On Stealing Electio

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Are you willing to bet here and now that this will happen?
Remember: mudwhistle is a soothsayer.

He predicts everything - explains nothing.
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Remember: mudwhistle is a soothsayer.

He predicts everything - explains nothing.
Hard to explain to those who never listen. I've explained till I'm blue in the face.

I remember when peoples scoffed at me when I said there would soon be a "Carbon Tax" going through Congress.

"Cap & Trade" is what they call it now.

Pfffffff, keep talking shit.

Soon you'll be feeling the pain in the pocket-book I've been talking about since before the November election. Like some have said here, you GDMF need to find out the hard way.
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Re: Obama Isn't Saying Much About Iran Elections Because He Plans On Stealing Electio

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Hard to explain to those who never listen. I've explained till I'm blue in the face.

I remember when peoples scoffed at me when I said there would soon be a "Carbon Tax" going through Congress.

"Cap & Trade" is what they call it now.

Pfffffff, keep talking shit.

Soon you'll be feeling the pain in the pocket-book I've been talking about since before the November election. Like some have said here, you GDMF need to find out the hard way.

Rember: mudwhistle is a soothsayer

He fortells everything he wants to - backs up nothing - explains nothing


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Old 07-04-2009
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I hate to bring you up to current events but Obama just got his supermajority when Al Franken won his case a few days ago to become Minnesota's new Senator.

Now it's a sure thing if they decide to push it.

After all of the stunts Obamas pulled so far I'm not putting nothing past him.

Everything that I've predected for almost a year has come to pass so continue to doubt me.
You need 66 senatorial votes to get an amendment through, as well as 66% of the house and 2/3 of states (Sorry to inform you about your own consitution.) They may have a filibuster proof majority for normal legislation but not for an amendment.

Just what that you've predicted has come true? Seriously? I ahve yet to see Obama declare himself a Muslim, I have yet to see Israel annilated, I have yet to see the huge upsurge in terror attacks or Iraq and afganistan collapsing... What have you predicted that actually has come true?
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