When exactly?

How much pain?

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Once Cap & Trade goes into effect energy in the United States will cost us more. Possibly double what it costs now. Gas will double, electricity will double, every energy source will cost more. Maybe not in the first year but soon after the regulations become more strict making everything more and more expensive as time goes by. And it's all based off of faulty science....that man is the sole cause of Global Warming, something that isn't happening right now anyway. The Planet is in a cooling cycle now. It all has to do with the Sun not Carbon Dioxide. This all is just a way to steal money from us so he can give it to his buddies.

Obama claimed it would amount to an increase in prices equal to the cost of a postage stamp. When has Obama ever been honest when it comes to spending, tax increases, or what his Stimulus Bill is doing? He's intentionally trying to raise the price of energy in this country so it will curb our usage by cutting off our oil and coal sources, and at the same time he fails to offer any viable alternatives. His economic and energy policies are based on Pie in the Sky theories not on anything substantial. This policy will kill jobs. By making it more expensive to do business in America it will force more and more businesses to move their operations elsewhere.

The only alternative is Nuclear but of course Obama's special interest groups wouldn't have that. So while Europe has gone nuke we won't have any choices...but to pay through the ass for whatever energy the Democrats decide is clean and green enough for us to use. Total insanity.

Los Angeles will end use of coal-fired power | Green Business | Reuters

It's not even designed to reduce carbon emissions. It's designed to offset the effects that Cap & Trade causes in job losses and to pay for Medicare and Social Security. That's why the failure of Social Security reform during Bush's first term was so important to Democrats. Cap and Trade Extras - Jamie Dupree on krmg.com

Soon they'll be putting in regulations that mandate computor controlled thermostats in all of our homes telling the government what we set our home's temp to. Then they'll be charging us for any usage over the government mandated maximum.

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Are you willing to bet on something? You name it.

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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

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Bet what?

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Let's just say I can pretty much nail down what Obama is going to do. I may not exactly know how he's going to go about it. This comes from reading about his history and understanding what makes him tick.


He doesn't have the same love of country that most native born folks have because he's lived so much of his life out of the country. I lived for 2 years in Germany and I feel that Germans do things better then we do in many ways. Obama lived much of his childhood out of the continental United States. He spent the first several years of his young adult life learning in schools that taught him left leaning dogmatic principles. I don't think he knows nor appreciates in the slightest the segment of American society that is self-sufficient and individualistic. He doesn't respect our freedoms nor our liberties. He often visits a relative in Kenya that is a dictator and aspires to be one himself. He's self-absorbed and narcissistic to a fault. He thinks the world revolves around him.

Obama is trying to take away our choices. He wants to control everything. How much we can earn, what food we can eat, what kind of cars we can drive, where we can set our thermostats, whom we can send our money to. He trying to stop foreigners from sending cash to their relatives in other countries.

He's always been dishonest about his plans because if the full facts about it became clear they would be soundly rejected.


The reason Obama doesn't give a damned about Iran's elections is because he feels that the Iranian government did nothing wrong. He's used to dealing with criminals and low-lifes and he has no problem dealing with a government that stole the last election. He plans on doing the same himself.

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Oh ok. I just thought you had some real balls behind that crystal one you seem to use so often. Fair enough.


Thank you. Given the sheer number of blatant untruths posted here the only proper response is a complete and direct rebuttal;

He does have the same love of country that most native born folks have because he's lived so much of his life in the country.

You lived for 2 years in Germany and feel that Germans do things better then we do in many ways, yet you would not consider yourself unpatriotic - yet of course you want us to think Obama is.


Like what dogmatic principles?

Anyway, you know he appreciates the segment of American society that is self-sufficient and individualistic. He respects your freedoms and your liberties. He's not self-absorbed nor narcissistic. He doesn't think the world revolves around him.

Obama is trying to give Americans more choices, and freedom from economic diaster. He doesnt want to control everything. How much you can earn, what food you can eat, what kind of cars you can drive, where you can set our thermostats, whom you can send our money to.

He's been honest about his plans and theyve been soundly accepted.


The reason Obama does give a damn about Iran's elections yet, like average Americans he feels that the Iranian government will use the US as a scapegoat easier if given the chance . He's used to dealing with criminals and low-lifes and he knows how to deal with a hard line government. He however is a democrat both in name and deed.

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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

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Chocbot why are you still arguing this... Mud doesn't offer any basis for his argument so answering facts continuously against someone who continuously uses fairyland doesn't bode well..

Not anything you're willing to pay attention to.

But to be honest this is all an exercise in futility.

Regardless of the proof I provide you won't consider it, so why am I wasting my time talking to folks like you Cowboy. You're a stone cold partisan.

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What proof have you he is rigging an election in 3 years time... Real proof...

What, are you expecting....FBI files?

No, you're just one of the "useful-idiots" that folks like Obama use to get their way.

You'll never believe it till it's too fucken late.


The writing is on the wall every single day and your willful ignorance allows it to continue.

Are we done talking now?

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So that is none then.

No. There's plenty but someone like you hasn't the capacity to recognize the proof so why should I bother.

You're a time waster in my opinion, and I don't feel the need to prove anything to you.

I don't enjoy aruing for argument's sake.

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Please stop insulting other posters.

Would this proof stand up in court even?

Come on, you want us to believe something you claim is in the future.

All youve said is, theres plenty of evidence.

So ok. Lets bet between you and me that the thing, anything, nearest in time to now, that you claim will happen will in fact happen.

I bet you that it simply wont happen. On that day you will come back here and admit that you are a patent purveyor of falsehoods.

If youre right Ill come back and fawn over you.

Deal??

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Looks like Acorn was involved ..

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The last person that bet me like that lost. I told him Obama was going to try to bring charges against CIA members that were involved in the Waterboarding situation. My friend said that Obama promised he wouldn't which to him meant he felt he could trust him to stick to his word. Of course he quickly changed his mind. Luckly it blew up in his face and he had to reverse his decision against his will.

Obama wants to embarass this country. That's the kind of elitist little shit he is. He's a piece of shit who thinks he's a citizen of the world before he's a citizen of the United States. Obama is a lying Jackass that feels he doesn't have to be honest to us. That is the basis of his Presidency. Hide the truth from us at all costs.


First of all I'm not insulting anyone, but you seem to be because you're the one making the insinuations, not me. I know nothing I say or present will be good enough for someone like you so why bother.

Secondly, this is not a court of law....it is a web-site. The level of proof needed in a criminal court or even a civil court does not apply to anything that goes on here. So you might as well stow that dumb idea.

Thirdly, one only has to open their MF eyes to see all of this shit coming, but you and others insist on charging into this [hell] with your eyes wide shut. In other words, nothing you see or hear will be enough to convince you you're wrong and I was right. So why don't we end the discussion and maybe you can fawn over someone who gives a shit what you think.

And to think I'm a Scot myself. Makes me ashamed to be a McQuirk.

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Certainly not when what we see or hear (from you) IS nothing -- in the way of evidence.

You're only entitled to say "all of you are ignoring the evidence" AFTER it's presented, not before. Before, we're NOT ignoring the evidence, because there's no evidence TO ignore.

Put up or shut up.