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Re: Beer Summit, Really?

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But bush tried that for 7 years in Iraq and didn't work , so I still don't see your point.
seems to be working alright. new government. i hear we even hung that dictator we were after so i still don't see your point
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seems to be working alright. new government. i hear we even hung that dictator we were after so i still don't see your point
Oh yes, he replaced the Baathist regime w/a pro-Iranian regime. Now Ahmadinejad and Maliki can celebrate with a beer.
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Oh yes, he replaced the Baathist regime w/a pro-Iranian regime. I forgot that tinkerbell in rightwingland means "religious fundamentalist zealot." Now Ahmadinejad and Maliki can celebrate with a beer.
its a democratically elected government that no one was coerced into voting for. the people of iraq seem fairly satisfied with that, so who am i to gainsay them?
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its a democratically elected government that no one was coerced into voting for. the people of iraq seem fairly satisfied with that, so who am i to gainsay them?
Sure looks like all the people in Iraq is satisfied. . .

What's Behind the Latest Sunni-Shiite Clashes in Iraq - US News and World Report

Maybe when US troops leave, the Sunnis and Shiites will have a beer summit
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Sure looks like all the people in Iraq is satisfied. . .

What's Behind the Latest Sunni-Shiite Clashes in Iraq - US News and World Report

Maybe when US troops leave, the Sunnis and Shiites will have a beer summit
whats that you say? someone is unsatisfied somewhere? Heavens no say it isn't so! someone is unsatisfied we must have failed!
not to mention the fact that the sunni's and shiites have been killing each other for centuries over a tiny religious detail that doesn't even really matter anymore. right.


keep clapping sol
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Re: Beer Summit, Really?

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Sure looks like all the people in Iraq is satisfied. . .

What's Behind the Latest Sunni-Shiite Clashes in Iraq - US News and World Report

Maybe when US troops leave, the Sunnis and Shiites will have a beer summit
Muslims don't drink.
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Muslims don't drink.
Not really. Under Saddam Hussein's secular regime, alcohol was widely available in Iraq. But under the Shiite leadership, it's been banned, thereby making beer summits impossible.
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Agreed. Obama has just demonstrated to the whole world that he has no class, but then, the whole world has never felt Americans had any class, so it doesn't surprise them.

Moi, I prefer Paulaner, Warsteiner, or Ayinger
Having or lacking class is commonplace wherever one goes.

As for beer, you definitely know beer. IMO, Americans often suffer--and I mean suffer--from lack of knowledge rather than lack of class when it comes to beer because a litany of good beers aren't commonly sold. And that's a shame, because the stuff so many think are good beers are...well....use your scatalogical imagination.

Budweiser was always a great advertiser though. Besides effectively using humour and bikini babes and volleyball studs, their slogans were classic circular reasoning and argumentum ad nauseum about its 'quality'; e.g. "King of Beers," ""This is the famous Budweiser beer. We know of no brand produced by any other brewer which costs so much to brew and age. Our exclusive Beechwood Aging produces a taste, a smoothness, and a drinkability you will find in no other beer at any price," etc. Given the truth of the matter about Budweiser, however, it amazes me that over the years that US servicemen didn't come marching home in force from Ramstein Air Base, etc, to sue the living shit out of them for false advertisement, consumer fraud, RICO, Geneva Convention violations, etc. The same can be said for a large number of mainstream US beers too.

US microbreweries, however, have often done a good job ever since they started taking off in the 80s with increasing numbers ever since.
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whats that you say? someone is unsatisfied somewhere? Heavens no say it isn't so! someone is unsatisfied we must have failed!
not to mention the fact that the sunni's and shiites have been killing each other for centuries over a tiny religious detail that doesn't even really matter anymore. right.


keep clapping sol
You want me to keep clapping over the fact that Sunnis and Shiites will continue to kill each other in Iraq, more so when US troops leave?
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Having or lacking class is commonplace wherever one goes.

As for beer, you definitely know beer. IMO, Americans too often need to plead ignorance rather than lack of class when it comes to beer. A host of good beers most Americans don't know because they aren't commonly sold. And that's a shame, because the stuff so many think are good beers are...well....use your scatalogical imagination.

Budweiser was always a great advertiser though. Besides effectively using humour and bikini babes and beach volleyball studs, their slogans were classic circular reasoning and argumentum ad nauseum about its 'quality'; e.g. "King of Beers," ""This is the famous Budweiser beer. We know of no brand produced by any other brewer which costs so much to brew and age. Our exclusive Beechwood Aging produces a taste, a smoothness, and a drinkability you will find in no other beer at any price," etc. Given the truth of the matter about Budweiser, however, it amazes me that over the years that US servicemen didn't come marching home in force from Ramstein AFB, etc, to sue the living shit out of them for false advertisement, consumer fraud, RICO, Geneva Convention violations, etc. The same can be said for a large number of mainstream US beers too.

US microbreweries, however, have often done a good job ever since they started taking off in the 80s with increasing number ever since.
The beer summit would've been an excellent opportunity to give some of those lesser known (but superior) brands greater notoriety in the US.

However, it could have also made Obama look like a snob for not drinking standard working class fare. Maybe that was the reason the cheap stuff was chosen.
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You want me to keep clapping over the fact that Sunnis and Shiites will continue to kill each other in Iraq, more so when US troops leave?
man humor just goes right over your head doesn't it?
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I can't be everywhere at once and I had an appointment after work that went late last night.

Anyway, I thought it would have been a good symbolic example of how to put differences aside and come together, showing that dispite difference of culture, race, viewpoints, whatever, people can agree to be civil and respect one another. Which is what Obama is all about, always has and always will be.

Now if you or others want to pull negativity out of that, go ahead and be my guess, but that would be very telling of your own personal issues and positions IMO.
I agree with the second paragraph. To me it showed Obama is a decent person, which I believed beforehand from many things observed. Another example is when he made no highlights about Chief Justice Roberts misspeaking when he administered the publicised oath of office and they redid it the next day in a private but filmed setting. Even though the two men disagree politically, on a personal level the respect was shown and noted. Even GOP Congresspeople have noted he is a decent person even though they often disagree and are political opponents.

As for Matt, no. I really doubt he'll say the POTUS is a bad person. Matt has too much character for that. But Rush and Glenn Beck, yeah. They have no character. Their low brow twistings alleging Obama is a 'militant black' and/or hates whites, etc, are absurd and race baitings and race button pushings of the lowest forms for the lowest types for the lowest reasons, and it's once again IMO a sad commentary on why their prominence is regrettable to the best interests of American society.
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The beer summit would've been an excellent opportunity to give some of those lesser known (but superior) brands greater notoriety in the US.

However, it could have also made Obama look like a snob for not drinking standard working class fare. Maybe that was the reason the cheap stuff was chosen.
Good point. But then again, there are always those who will find any reason to smear or complain with pettyantics when they should remember and do the real things the public elected them to do. Take Rep. Richard Neal (D-MA) who actually whinged that Bud should have been rejected because it is now Belgian owned:

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Beer choice at Obama meeting touches off new debate - Blogs from CNN.com

And no Miller or Coors either because they are owned by British conglomerates. I wonder how many citizens in MA make part of their living selling Bud, Coors and Miller. I guess he forgot that...so way to go Rep in looking out for your constituents in a tough economy.
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Re: Beer Summit, Really?

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I agree with the second paragraph. To me it showed Obama is a decent person, which I believed beforehand from many things observed. Another example is when he made no highlights about Chief Justice Roberts misspeaking when he administered the publicised oath of office and they redid it the next day in a private but filmed setting. Even though the two men disagree politically, on a personal level the respect was shown and noted. Even GOP Congresspeople have noted he is a decent person even though they often disagree and are political opponents.

As for Matt, no. I really doubt he'll say the POTUS is a bad character. He has character. But Rush and Glenn Beck, yeah. They have no character. Their low brow twistings alleging he is a 'militant black' and/or hates whites, etc, are absurd and race baiting and race button pushings of the lowest form for the lowest types for the lowest reasons, and it's once again IMO a sad commentary on why their prominence is regrettable to the best interests of American society.
Excellent point and observation. I'm pretty sure had things been reversed, a Rep Pres and a Dem. Justice, FAUXNews would have went off on that issue, and made it into a big national offense, much like they are with the race baiting bigotry they are engaged in as you so correctly addressed in your second paragraph.

Spot on.

BTW, Europeans pretty much consider Americans a joke when it comes to beer. All the common brands that 90% of Americans enjoy are essentially considered akin to piss to them. I'd have to say they're right, when I used to dabble in beer drinking, it was almost strictly Heineken, which is was the prominent beer I grew up drinking from age 14. Seeing as how beer originated and has since been perfected in Euroupe, I have to take their word for it. Its funny though, even the Heineken that's made in America, is of a lesser quality than the Heineken made say...in Holland. My brother pointed that out to me a few years ago.
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As hard as you're trying to twist and flip this as a negative, the title of the article you sent me to is...

Policeman calls White House meeting productive

Don't you think its enough already?


irrespective of the headline, I was addressing a specific point you made and the specific commend from the cop.
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