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Re: Obama Better Watch His Ass...

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I'll say it again..... This "rent a crowd" behavior has been used by the left constantly. And have been very proud of it. It's not the fault of anyone other than themselves if ordinary Americans see that those tactics work and have started to use their tactics against them.

The left don't want to debate, they want their own way. So, this is what happens when you run roughshod over Americans.
Wrong. The left has been having the debate all year, while the right yells hateful bullshit like SOCIALIST and NAZI.

The right doesn't actually have a point other than the unconditional hatred of the President, which is why the GOP now opposes it's longstanding value that competition in the healthcare industry is the solution, not one single monopoly.

They used to think that all things "competition" were good, but now it's bad because the guy in power isn't theirs and he's, GASP!, black, so should be hated and that we should all somehow hop aboard the hate train.

Fuck that shit.

You hate the guy's policies, fine, than have the fucking mental wherewithal to actually stop shouting and articulate your ideas instead of behaving like a bunch of lunatics.

Obama will easily secure a second term (if he isn't shot by a hatemonger or a birther first) if only because the hate against him will rally all the folks who find that shit repugnant.
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Re: Obama Better Watch His Ass...

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Wrong. The left has been having the debate all year, while the right yells hateful bullshit like SOCIALIST and NAZI.

The right doesn't actually have a point other than the unconditional hatred of the President, which is why the GOP now opposes it's longstanding value that competition in the healthcare industry is the solution, not one single monopoly.
I believe that you are misunderstanding the opposition from the right. Competition with the government is never a level competition. The rules will be set to favor the government insurance entity, and then when the government entity still fails to outperform the private sector, the government will throw billions of taxpayer dollars into that rat hole, all the while changing the rules so as to be even more favorable to the government insurance entity. It is the standard boilerplate history of how the government messes up whatever it is that they touch. Promises from politicians that this case will be different are not easily believed by those whose life and health are at stake (kool-aid drinkers not withstanding, of course).

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They used to think that all things "competition" were good, but now it's bad because the guy in power isn't theirs and he's, GASP!, black, so should be hated and that we should all somehow hop aboard the hate train.
As I said above, you misunderstand the opposition from the right. However, your characterization does sound uncannily like the wars, and those on the left who once opposed them. Irony, is it not?

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Fuck that shit.
I believe those were Cindy Sheehan's exact thoughts.

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You hate the guy's policies, fine, than have the fucking mental wherewithal to actually stop shouting and articulate your ideas instead of behaving like a bunch of lunatics.
Unfortunately, since politicians really only care about getting reelected, the most effective way to lobby for one's cause is to be the squeaky wheel. With those on the right, at least they would have the integrity to continue to shout against government health care reform, were it ever to be proposed by politicians on the right.

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Obama will easily secure a second term (if he isn't shot by a hatemonger or a birther first) if only because the hate against him will rally all the folks who find that shit repugnant.
That is an interesting opinion, but I see little basis in reality for one to hold it. A far truer prediction would be that if the Democrats don't do something fairly quickly to right this economy (which, of course, they can't), then they will suffer mid-term congressional losses. Further, if they don't manage to get this economy headed the right way by 2012, Obama will be out faster than you can say "Jimmy Carter".
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