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Well, I suppose we could boot the factories out and put those Americans out of a job.

Would that work for you?

And, it would be more than "a few"...

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West Virginia could certainly be classified as a blue state.

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None I could google quickly. Seems like our billions just were flushed the toilet down again.

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How many people has Honda Laid off in teh last 2 years?

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None, as of April 1st, 2009 (the latest info I could find). Honda was reaping record profits as recent as 2007, so that's helped them quite a bit. As of now, they're issuing pay cuts across the board and reducing production of some of their less popular models and offering buyouts to employees, along with cutting some temporary positions. But, from the article I read, no regular employee has been laid off as of yet (at least at their North American locations. Seems layoffs have occurred in Japan and the UK).

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/tag/honda-layoffs/

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The DOT has not been very geniune in how they are reporting Cash For Clunkers sales. The DOT manipulated the data to what they wanted people to see. It's tough to sell C4C as a green initative when SUVs and Full Size pick ups occupy the top 10 cars bought using the government rebate.

Reality check: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game - Aug. 7, 2009

Here is the REAL top 10 list as figured by Edmunds

1 Ford Escape
2 Ford Focus
3 Jeep Patriot
4 Dodge Caliber
5 Ford F-150
6 Honda Civic
7 Chevrolet Silverado
8 Chevrolet Cobalt
9 Toyota Corolla
10 Ford Fusion

On the up side this list is FAR more American that what was in the OP.

whew atleast that a better list for america, but is it accurate?

the worst part is that this is a progra that is not needed, and is heping people get into debt they were not in previously.

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"If they going to take credit, fair enough ... but it ought to come with a healthy dose of 'Thank you, George Bush" "Obama and Biden campaigned from one end of the country to the other for two years criticizing our Iraq policy," "If they had had their way, if we'd followed the policies they'd pursued from the outset or advocated from the outset, Saddam Hussein would still be in power in Baghdad today." Dick Cheney

Getting into debt, in and of itself, isn't a bad thing.

I didn't "need" to get a mortgage. I could've continued to pay rent. I'm in debt to the tune of almost $200K right now, but it's not a problem.

You seem to be making the assumption that people who are getting into debt are, somehow, unable to handle it...

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This is why its not a problem politically. All of the world's car companies are so inter-owned anyway its hard to tell what an 'american' car is anyway.

Should be more accurate than what the DOT released. They tracked sales by make and model only, not deviations within a certain model.

If you could not save enough afford a down payment previously without the $4500, when you had no car payment and minimal insurance how will you afford a car payment, full insurance, gap insurance, and still save?

This plan is a carrot to make people sign on teh dotted line, as if we learned nothing from Interest free loans on homes.

Just because you are capable of handling your debt load does not mean others are also.

In any event the repo auctions in 6 months are going to be a good way to make money.

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"If they going to take credit, fair enough ... but it ought to come with a healthy dose of 'Thank you, George Bush" "Obama and Biden campaigned from one end of the country to the other for two years criticizing our Iraq policy," "If they had had their way, if we'd followed the policies they'd pursued from the outset or advocated from the outset, Saddam Hussein would still be in power in Baghdad today." Dick Cheney

There are no American automobiles any longer - hasn't been for a long time.
You think your American for buying a he-man Dodge RAM Pickup with your American flag window tint etc....pheh - they are made in Mexico.
Or mabye your a Cadillac man...oops...Mexico..or maybe your a soccer mom with a Mercury mini-van...Japan, no? Maybe one of those popular Dodge Caravan's?...most had Mitsubishi powertrains. etc. etc. etc. etc.

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I bought my first Japanese car in the fall of 2007. Two years. It has not had one single problem focused visit to the mechanic. Alls I've done is routine maintenance. I drive 1600 miles a month, minimum.

Until this car, there was ALWAYS something wrong. After the last general motors thing, (I refuse to dignify that piece of shit by calling it a car), I had an epiphany.

If American auto makers want to sell cars to Americans, build cars that run.

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This is all guesswork on your part.

You're assuming people couldn't save for the downpayment. You're assuming that people had minimal insurance. You assume that, because someone doesn't have a car payment that they can't afford a car payment.

All of those assuptions are, at best, stupid.

I haven't had a car payment in seven years. I have insurance out the ass. I could easily put a $4,500.00 cash down payment on a new car. I just don't want to.

In fact, I could trade my truck in for the $4,500.00, put another $4,500.00 down, and lower my car payments...

This is nothing like that...

That's not my point. My point is that it's stupid to assume that people can't do it just because you disagree with the program. That notwithstanding, though, anyone who signs on the dotted line when buying a new car should understand exactly what they're agreeing to. If they don't, fuck 'em...

Perhaps, perhaps not. I guess your crystal ball is a little less dusty than mine...

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