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Old 07-09-2009
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This doesn't surprise me. Obama has done an FDR, in that he used a lot of left-wing rhetoric to get elected, and then has moved to the right to govern. He's being held to his promises and his rhetoric; this is good. The next question is how long it will take him to get the picture. I'm guessing not very long, as he's pretty sharp.

Expect a move to the left in policy from Obama over the next six months.
Obama has moved to the RIGHT--LOL--

The unhappy people I personally know who voted for Obama tell me they voted for Obama because he campaigned at the center & then moved too far LEFT after elected.
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Old 07-09-2009
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It may have something to do with this great quote:

"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity".

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When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." Adrian Rogers, 1931


Obama's biggest problem right now is all of this government spending--(that doesn't appear to be working) while quadruppling the deficit. 14 MILLION Americans are unemployed today. His polling data in Ohio alone has dropped 14 points within the last two weeks.

Obama doesn't seem to understand basic economics: No one can borrow & spend their way to prosperity. Right now the federal government is borrowing .50 cents on every dollar it is spending.
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No one can borrow & spend their way to prosperity.
Funny, what's your take on Reagan?

Also everything I see the right complain about that Obama is doing, are all continuations of Bush policy. Bush was wrong and so is Obama. What I can't understand is how you guys supported Bush spending like a drunken sailor, ignoring basic principles like Habeus Corpus, etc, etc, (hell and even support some of it), and then get all enraged when Obama governs the same exact way.

Also Obama compaigned on the left, and has betrayed his base. Seriously what campaign promise, or governing action has Obama fullfilled to the left? At least Bush threw you righties some bones (albeit insane theocratic nonsense, but that seems to be the American's right bread and butter), Obama doesn't even do that. Everything he has done would have been no different then McCain. Obama is a moderate republican, which wasn't what he ran as, and isn't what this country elected or needs.
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Old 07-09-2009
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Funny, what's your take on Reagan?

Also everything I see the right complain about that Obama is doing, are all continuations of Bush policy. Bush was wrong and so is Obama. What I can't understand is how you guys supported Bush spending like a drunken sailor, ignoring basic principles like Habeus Corpus, etc, etc, (hell and even support some of it), and then get all enraged when Obama governs the same exact way.

Also Obama compaigned on the left, and has betrayed his base. Seriously what campaign promise, or governing action has Obama fullfilled to the left? At least Bush threw you righties some bones (albeit insane theocratic nonsense, but that seems to be the American's right bread and butter), Obama doesn't even do that. Everything he has done would have been no different then McCain. Obama is a moderate republican, which wasn't what he ran as, and isn't what this country elected or needs.
What will it take for you to address Obama's actions? He's the President. He's making the decisions. He was going to change things. At what point will you address his decisions without looking back or comparing him to what you think McCain would have done? Is everything he does ok as long as you can say that McCain would have done the same thing, or that it is a continuation of Bush policy? What's up with you guys?
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Obama has moved to the RIGHT--LOL--

The unhappy people I personally know who voted for Obama tell me they voted for Obama because he campaigned at the center & then moved too far LEFT after elected.
You know some weirdos, is all I can say.
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Funny, what's your take on Reagan?

Also everything I see the right complain about that Obama is doing, are all continuations of Bush policy. Bush was wrong and so is Obama. What I can't understand is how you guys supported Bush spending like a drunken sailor, ignoring basic principles like Habeus Corpus, etc, etc, (hell and even support some of it), and then get all enraged when Obama governs the same exact way.

Also Obama compaigned on the left, and has betrayed his base. Seriously what campaign promise, or governing action has Obama fullfilled to the left? At least Bush threw you righties some bones (albeit insane theocratic nonsense, but that seems to be the American's right bread and butter), Obama doesn't even do that. Everything he has done would have been no different then McCain. Obama is a moderate republican, which wasn't what he ran as, and isn't what this country elected or needs.

Two wrongs have never made a right. Obama has spent more in 5 months than any President in the history of the United States.

Right now our government is BORROWING .50 cents on every dollar it is SPENDING.

Someone is going to have to pay for that-which means US.

The stimulus bill that was shoved down our throats--787 BILLION is not working--because Government cannot stimulate the economy--only the private sector can do that. Government is expanding in leaps & bounds while the private sector is shrinking.

This is perfect example of Reaganomics versus Obamanomics.

DID YOU KNOW?--That the money the government has spent on all these bail-outs & the stimulus bill would have paid off 90% of the home mortages in this country?

McCAIN--would have never--ever put up with this spending. He would have vetoed every non-discretionary spending bill that landed in his office.

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You know some weirdos, is all I can say.

Really--Since I am small business--I know alot of other small business people--that voted for Obama & regret it now. Highly intelligent--risk takers--some school teachers--& other professionals--who understand how the economy works.

I guess that would seem a little weird to you.
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What will it take for you to address Obama's actions? He's the President. He's making the decisions. He was going to change things. At what point will you address his decisions without looking back or comparing him to what you think McCain would have done? Is everything he does ok as long as you can say that McCain would have done the same thing, or that it is a continuation of Bush policy? What's up with you guys?
I think I've been pretty clear that Obama is a disapointment.
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Really--Since I am small business--I know alot of other small business people--that voted for Obama & regret it now. Highly intelligent--risk takers--some school teachers--& other professionals--who understand how the economy works.

I guess that would seem a little weird to you.
Obama campaigned significantly to the left of where he is governing now. Anyone who thought he was campaigning as a moderate is an idiot. Anyone who thinks he has moved to the left since taking office was paying no attention whatever to the campaign, or else is clueless about what he's doing now.

Most people who voted for Obama did so BECAUSE he campaigned as a liberal. Many of us are, for the moment, disappointed. I still have hope, because I know that Obama is quite sharp, and I expect him to respond well to the political provocation before him. But at the moment he is trying to compromise too much with big business. That has to change.
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But at the moment he is trying to compromise too much with big business.
Big business isn't necessarily bad though. It's just that it seems he's more interested in maintaining current orders, when the free market has failed in those sectors. It seems kind of like cronyism to me, that's not the right word though. I suppose elitist in the actual meaning, not elitist as in being elite, but supporting the upper eschelon without regard to free market principles or basic common sense. I'm telling you if Defazio, the congressman from the district right south of me says the cap and trade bill was nothing more then a payoff to financial marktes, that's what it was. And it seems like this is the type of thing he wants to support, not common sense infrastructure projects and the like. I mean if you're going to borrow and spend a couple trillion at least spend it on things that improve the commons, not bailing out failed stock.
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I fail to see what the righties are all up in arms about. Obama seems intent on following the policies of Bush. He's certainly betrayed his campaign promises at this point (shareholder bailouts for failed financials, instead of doing the sensible thing and just forcing them into recievership (temporary nationalization), indefinate detentions (screw habius corpus), a cap and trade system that has been described by liberal and common sense representatives like Defazio as being a financial market handout - rather then a rational global warming policy, health care plans that also look like industry hand outs rather then a common sense single payer system, etc., etc. Everything Obama has done is either a continuation of Bush policy (withdrawing from Iraqi cities, as per pre made Bush plans), or something that looks more fitting coming from a moderate republican. What has this guy done that's even a clear liberal policy? Nothing, the man is a farce.

uhm, the stimulus, the Car manuf. 'bankruptcy' plans, F&F games, cap and trade, health care....he hasn't gottn 2 of those yet, becasuse hes butted up agasnst the fact that despite the msm and special interests garnering the massive coverage their platforms do, the nation has yet to reach that lib or prgressive tipping point. But hes trying his best
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Obama campaigned significantly to the left of where he is governing now. Anyone who thought he was campaigning as a moderate is an idiot. Anyone who thinks he has moved to the left since taking office was paying no attention whatever to the campaign, or else is clueless about what he's doing now.

Most people who voted for Obama did so BECAUSE he campaigned as a liberal. Many of us are, for the moment, disappointed. I still have hope, because I know that Obama is quite sharp, and I expect him to respond well to the political provocation before him. But at the moment he is trying to compromise too much with big business. That has to change.

Most people voted for Obama because he wasn’t Bush. He did an excellent job of painting McCain as Bush (43) 2, plus he ran a much more organized campaign, certainly not because they really wanted a liberal. The latest survey says Americans are moving to the right by a 2-to-1 margin. If Obama takes your advice, he’ll be helping his 2012 GOP challenger immeasurably.
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Looks like a statistical outliner
and take out that 3 week old 65 from abc/wapo and we have 56.4, not much of an 'outlier'....we'll see next week as we get up to date numbers.
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Agreed, and ironically enough, countryboy's whining notwithstanding, it was FDR that saved "capitalism" from itself. The Left supported Roosevelt because he adopted the rhetoric of the socialist, communist and labor parties. That's what brought the New Deal into being, and that's what staved off what looked to be a socialist revolution at the time.

It's absolutely ironic that countryboy wails about the destruction of "free-market" capitalism, when it was a fairly liberal Democrat that saved capitalism.*

*Free-market is not necessarily synonomous with capitalism. The former is compatible with socialism, while the latter is only self-sustaining by corporate wealth and power for a priviliged elite.
well, as far as FDR staving off a socialist revolution, I see that as a vast mischaracterization, and you forget many of the plans and gimmicks he did try, goggle Rex Tugwell and his agri- communes, socialism indeed and they failed.
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well, as far as FDR staving off a socialist revolution, I see that as a vast mischaracterization, and you forget many of the plans and gimmicks he did try, goggle Rex Tugwell and his agri- communes, socialism indeed and they failed.
But that has nothing to do with staving on any sort of movement. In fact, it goes to my point. I admit, I haven't heard of Rex Tugwell, but my point was that FDR did adopt the rhetoric, and to a certain extent, policy (though carefully modified) of the left, in order to placate them. If he hadn't, chances are a real revolutionary leftist movement would have, at the least, been threatening, and at the most, might have come to fruition.
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