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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

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Unless he is white... there is no law protecting whites from hate crimes from other races.
I'm sure the hate crime law applies to anyone who kills someone because of their race, so if a white person is killed because of his race, the law applies.
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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

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That's the biggest bull I have ever heard.

I think I read that in the paper too.

Hate crime laws are RACIST in every way shape and form!!!!!!

Can you name a black person that was ever charged with a "hate crime?"

Please do that before you go and say "everyone is protected" because thats NOT the case.

There's no bull here whatsoever. The problem is that you are uninformed and have no idea what you are talking about.
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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

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There's no bull here whatsoever. The problem is that you are uninformed and have no idea what you are talking about.
He's already been slapped down. He's just having a hard time dealing with it.
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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

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How, exactly, would there be balance if 74% of the population is white and only 13.5% is black? Obviously, there will be a higher number of white people accused of hate crimes due to whites being more prevalent. You could also say the lottery lacks balance since most lottery winners are white people.
To be fair, though, those 74% whites, as large a group as they are, only have a pool of 13.5% blacks against whom to commit hate crimes. Blacks have a pool of 74% whites to choose from, while being limited by their own 13.5% demographic. So it might come down to this:

Whites have the numbers, but not the sufficient quantity of targets on whom to commit crimes.
Blacks have more than enough targets, but lack the numbers to commit those crimes.

I don't know if this is how it actually works. Just throwing it out.
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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

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To be fair, though, those 74% whites, as large a group as they are, only have a pool of 13.5% blacks against whom to commit hate crimes. Blacks have a pool of 74% whites to choose from, while being limited by their own 13.5% demographic. So it might come down to this:

Whites have the numbers, but not the sufficient quantity of targets on whom to commit crimes.
Blacks have more than enough targets, but lack the numbers to commit those crimes.

I don't know if this is how it actually works. Just throwing it out.
From a statistical standpoint, I don't think that the demographics of the American population, in aggregate, matter. Nobody is (likely) going to fly to another state to commit a hate crime, so there has to be a certain locality involved per person committing a crime. And, various racial/ethnic groups seem to assemble in terms of living arrangements, so it's not as if any given locality is likely to match the demographic if the US on the whole.

From a statistical standpoint, this would be an extremely sophisticated problem (and one that's actually kind of interesting - by and large, I find statistics to be rather dry. It's the science of taking a guess and then figuring out how likely it is you fucked up and by how much).
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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

For 'Fun With Statistics!', here are a couple of sites:

USA - Interracial crime at a glance and Statistics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Trends by race

See if you can find the holes in Link #1's conclusions.

There is a deliberate effort in many states attorney generals' offices to skew statistics and avoid reporting hate crimes by minorities. I have a couple of PDFs from California's Attorney General's Office that show that this is the case; they're from 2005 and earlier, so I will dig them up; I cleaned out my bookmarks a while back, but they should be on a server in California somewhere.

Anybody remember the Harlem pizza delivery boy case, where they robbed and then viciously murdered the boy? They targeted him because he was white, but it 'wasn't a hate crime because they robbed him'; the latter is the favorite loophole for reporting agencies, the ones that the DOJ and the FBI get their yearly statistical data from.

On the other hand, who hasn't heard about the NSM's 'anti-immigration March', wherein a few white morons were made out to be some sort of major threat?
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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

The key element of hate crimes is that they are totally random, based on some insane version of reality that targets victims by entirely superficial attributes. That's partly why they are so terrifying and traumatic. They also tend to be dramatically, over the top. What might be just a beating without the insane logic, turns into the horrific torture/murder of a Matthew Sheppard. They're different than ordinary street crime.

You can argue that they don't deserve special penalties but it's much harder to argue that they are not special in their terrifying nature.
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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

When a "blood" kills a "crip" is that a hate crime? Has one ever been prosecuted as such that anyone knows of (gang on gang murder) ????????These poor,misundestood, disadvanted black and hispanic youths () kill each other on sight simply because they hate each other.
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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

Charges are decided by the prosecutor.
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Re: Can someone explain "Hate Crimes" to me.

How about a Muslim Army Major randomly murdering people of other religions? Is that a 'Hate' crime? What if it were a white supremicist randomly murdering non-caucausions? The government/media complex would be all over the Hate Crimes issue.

In either case such discussion is irrelevant - just punish the guy for 13 murders and show the thought police the door.
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