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Re: Another "Birther" lawsuit gets slapped down

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But there's no way to know exactly what those fees are going to. I don't think it would be accurate with the information provided to say those fees are being paid strictly for these lawsuits.

they include the ones to obtain student records as well.

he's gone well out of his way to block information
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Re: Another "Birther" lawsuit gets slapped down

Maybe he was born a woman?


Bertie Obama? Stranger things have happened.
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starting point


WND may not be the gold standard but they do offer documentation from FEC that shows roughly 1.4m spent on legal.
Yes, but that hardly means that the $1.4 million was spent on eligibility related lawsuits. Previous Presidents also racked up millions upon millions of dollars in legal fees throughout their tenure as President (especially Clinton, with Whitewater and all). For additional perspective, George Bush paid nearly $400,000 in legal fees simply for his 2004 re-election bid! And there's documentation for that:

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Yes, but that hardly means that the $1.4 million was spent on eligibility related lawsuits. Previous Presidents also racked up millions upon millions of dollars in legal fees throughout their tenure as President (especially Clinton, with Whitewater and all). For additional perspective, George Bush paid nearly $400,000 in legal fees simply for his 2004 re-election bid! And there's documentation for that:

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no doubt he did spend money on legal fees in a re-election bid.
question is, what else has BHO had to apply laywyers to ?

without invoices it wont be possible to say with absolute certanty.

but its obvious that its not been cheap.
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no doubt he did spend money on legal fees in a re-election bid.
question is, what else has BHO had to apply laywyers to ?

without invoices it wont be possible to say with absolute certanty.

but its obvious that its not been cheap.
There are a ton of lawsuits from former detainees in the war on terror. There was that lawsuit about the White House visitor logs. There are all sorts of legal expenses for the legal consulting needed for such a high position in politics. To take the entire amount spent and say it all went toward fighting the birthers is ridiculous. Especially since nearly every case brought to court by the birthers has been dismissed by judges.
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There are a ton of lawsuits from former detainees in the war on terror. There was that lawsuit about the White House visitor logs. There are all sorts of legal expenses for the legal consulting needed for such a high position in politics. To take the entire amount spent and say it all went toward fighting the birthers is ridiculous. Especially since nearly every case brought to court by the birthers has been dismissed by judges.

Most of what you cite gets covered by govt lawyers.

All of those "birther" cases required legal services to get to the point of being dismissed. That does happen by magic.
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Most of what you cite gets covered by govt lawyers.

All of those "birther" cases required legal services to get to the point of being dismissed. That does happen by magic.
Well, as you said earlier, without invoices or any sort of evidence at all, really, no one can say what that money was spent on. So the claim that he's spent over a million dollars defending himself from birthers is completely unsubstantiated and supported by nothing.
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Well, as you said earlier, without invoices or any sort of evidence at all, really, no one can say what that money was spent on. So the claim that he's spent over a million dollars defending himself from birthers is completely unsubstantiated and supported by nothing.


oh its supported but I kinda doubt invoices would have mattered to you anyway. you and othes are determined to ridicule this business, and thats your perrogative, but I still dont get why.

wasn't around at the time so were you the same with TANG ?
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oh its supported but I kinda doubt invoices would have mattered to you anyway. you and othes are determined to ridicule this business, and thats your perrogative, but I still dont get why.
If some actual, tangible evidence was provided to show that Obama might not be eligible, I'd love to see it. So far, every single argument has sunk under a bit of scrutiny.

I did the same for George Bush. Heck, I've spent way more time defending Bush and his administration against 9/11 conspiracy theorists than I have defending Obama from birthers.
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Bush's service with the national guard?
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Re: Another "Birther" lawsuit gets slapped down

Had Obama done everything the birthers want in terms of public disclosure, they would simply find something else new and wrong about the evidence shown, like the doctor who delivered him wasn't a licensed doctor at the time so that invalidates the birth certificate, and therefore Obama wasn't really born, or some stupid shit like that.

The State of Hawaii has said that Obama was born in Hawaii. States have the power to determine who is a legal resident of their state, and how to issue birth certificates, death certificates, and marriage licenses. Hawaii has come out with the official position that Obama was born in Hawaii, so to invalidate that you either have to invalidate the power of states to certify a birth or to preempt that power by federal power (as though we need a more powerful federal government). I don't see the birthers succeeding on that issue.

If Obama wants to fight the retardedness of most of the claims by stonewalling them, then kudos to him for learning something from the republican playbook.

It certainly didn't give Kerry any success to let himself get swiftboated. Obama ran a smart enough campaign to not get 'birthed'.
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Just curious - has anyone ever seen a copy of the "long form" Birth Certificates of:

Bush Jr.?
Clinton?
Bush Sr?
Reagan?
Carter?
Ford?
Nixon?
Johnson?
Kennedy?

(you get the idea...)

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Weelllll, I dunno . . . I heard that Abe Lincoln was from Venus 'er something: we should'a checked.
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The Birthers are to the Right that the 9-11 Truthers are to the Left.

The 9-11 Turthers, among other things, believe the Bush administration was behind this vast conspiracy to attack America as a pretext to get us into Iraq, etc. Birthers believe the duly elected Democrat president is not a US citizen and its a conspiracy by the left.

You'll more likely find people on the left affiliated with the truther movement and more likely find people on the right affiliated with the birther movement. In either case they take credibility away from those with the same political leanings.
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Re: Another "Birther" lawsuit gets slapped down

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Just curious - has anyone ever seen a copy of the "long form" Birth Certificates of:

Bush Jr.?
Clinton?
Bush Sr?
Reagan?
Carter?
Ford?
Nixon?
Johnson?
Kennedy?

(you get the idea...)

Matt
To be honest, when McCain's citizenship was question he produced and released the needed documentation, forthwith.
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The Birthers are to the Right that the 9-11 Truthers are to the Left.

The 9-11 Turthers, among other things, believe the Bush administration was behind this vast conspiracy to attack America as a pretext to get us into Iraq, etc. Birthers believe the duly elected Democrat president is not a US citizen and its a conspiracy by the left.

You'll more likely find people on the left affiliated with the truther movement and more likely find people on the right affiliated with the birther movement. In either case they take credibility away from those with the same political leanings.
I never believed that Bush had anything to do with the 9/11 attack. He i far too stupid to plan something that complex. I do believe that he and especially his handler Dick Cheney were tickled pink to over it because it gave them the opportunity to attack people they disliked( whether or not they had anything to do with it ) and to expand Presidential power.
I don't know exactly why the left would pick someone so unlikely to be elected for their conspiracy in this racist country. Whatever it is , it is working in the left's favor to have the right act like a bunch of lunatics about something so stupid .
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If some actual, tangible evidence was provided to show that Obama might not be eligible, I'd love to see it. So far, every single argument has sunk under a bit of scrutiny.

I did the same for George Bush. Heck, I've spent way more time defending Bush and his administration against 9/11 conspiracy theorists than I have defending Obama from birthers.

Bush's service with the national guard?
Why has Obamama spent over a million bucks hiring lawyers to keep his documents hidden ?

Velamoor is also listed in the Martindale lawyer database as an associate of international law firm Perkins Coie, the same law firm of Robert Bauer – top lawyer for Obama, Obama's presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama's Organizing for America – and the same Washington, D.C., lawyer who defended President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.

Federal Election Commission records for "Obama for America" show that the lobby organization has paid Perkins Coie $1,666,397.01 since the 2008 election.

the fight against Obama as "very tough."

"He has more power than anybody, unlimited financial resources, and a lot to hide," she said.

"Plaintiffs argue that despite the fact that President Obama has produced a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, there is evidence to show that the president was actually born in Kenya, thus making him ineligible to be president," Carter wrote.

However, Obama's long-form original birth certificate has remained under seal. The image posted by his campaign on the Internet is a different document, a "Certification of Live Birth," that apparently is computer generated and has been challenged by a number of critics over its authenticity.

In fact, the authenticity of the "Certification of Live Birth" has been a focal point of numerous court challenges to Obama's eligibility, and Taitz earlier submitted to Carter a copy of what purported to be a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama, asking for permission to verify its authenticity.


Judge dismisses California eligibility challenge

I mean c'mon, over a million bucks to keep these dumb old documents hidden ? Why ?

Why has he spent so much money to keep them hidden ? Wouldn't it just be easiest to release them and put this to rest ?
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