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Imperator · #91 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by JoMe

The Birthers are to the Right that the 9-11 Truthers are to the Left.

The 9-11 Turthers, among other things, believe the Bush administration was behind this vast conspiracy to attack America as a pretext to get us into Iraq, etc. Birthers believe the duly elected Democrat president is not a US citizen and its a conspiracy by the left.

You'll more likely find people on the left affiliated with the truther movement and more likely find people on the right affiliated with the birther movement. In either case they take credibility away from those with the same political leanings.

see knutes response......thats what you get for being rational....

Ernie S. · #92 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

Why the hell can't politicians learn from history? Nixon's people screwed up. Had he said something like, "Overzealous members of my reelection campaign acted outside of my knowledge and the law in breaking into the DNC headquarters. They will be punished", he would have been fine. Has Bill Clinton said, "Sure I got head from Monica, what's the problem? Hillary's fangs leave marks." he's have been fine. In stead they both spent millions to hide the truth.
If President obama has a long form birth certificate proving he was born in Hawaii, why won't he produce it? He only feeds speculation by hiding his records.

Ernie S. · #93 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Knute

I never believed that Bush had anything to do with the 9/11 attack. He i far too stupid to plan something that complex. I do believe that he and especially his handler Dick Cheney were tickled pink to over it because it gave them the opportunity to attack people they disliked( whether or not they had anything to do with it ) and to expand Presidential power.
I don't know exactly why the left would pick someone so unlikely to be elected for their conspiracy in this racist country. Whatever it is , it is working in the left's favor to have the right act like a bunch of lunatics about something so stupid .

Do you really believe what you say? or are you just stirring up shit? I don't believe I've ever know anyone as one dimensional as you.

JoMe · #94 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Imperator

see knutes response......thats what you get for being rational....

Yea, well I like to think everyone on this board is rational, but apparently I'm mistaken.

jet57 · #95 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Why has Obamama spent over a million bucks hiring lawyers to keep his documents hidden ?

Velamoor is also listed in the Martindale lawyer database as an associate of international law firm Perkins Coie, the same law firm of Robert Bauer – top lawyer for Obama, Obama's presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama's Organizing for America – and the same Washington, D.C., lawyer who defended President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.

Federal Election Commission records for "Obama for America" show that the lobby organization has paid Perkins Coie $1,666,397.01 since the 2008 election.

the fight against Obama as "very tough."

"He has more power than anybody, unlimited financial resources, and a lot to hide," she said.

"Plaintiffs argue that despite the fact that President Obama has produced a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, there is evidence to show that the president was actually born in Kenya, thus making him ineligible to be president," Carter wrote.

However, Obama's long-form original birth certificate has remained under seal. The image posted by his campaign on the Internet is a different document, a "Certification of Live Birth," that apparently is computer generated and has been challenged by a number of critics over its authenticity.

In fact, the authenticity of the "Certification of Live Birth" has been a focal point of numerous court challenges to Obama's eligibility, and Taitz earlier submitted to Carter a copy of what purported to be a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama, asking for permission to verify its authenticity.

Judge dismisses California eligibility challenge

I mean c'mon, over a million bucks to keep these dumb old documents hidden ? Why ?

Why has he spent so much money to keep them hidden ? Wouldn't it just be easiest to release them and put this to rest ?

Oh great - more pathology.

Maddox · #96 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Ernie S.

Why the hell can't politicians learn from history? Nixon's people screwed up. Had he said something like, "Overzealous members of my reelection campaign acted outside of my knowledge and the law in breaking into the DNC headquarters. They will be punished", he would have been fine. Has Bill Clinton said, "Sure I got head from Monica, what's the problem? Hillary's fangs leave marks." he's have been fine. In stead they both spent millions to hide the truth.
If President obama has a long form birth certificate proving he was born in Hawaii, why won't he produce it? He only feeds speculation by hiding his records.

Because, if he begins to respond to these insane claims, he gives the Birthers some sort of validity. He´s smart enough not to do that... by just ignoring them, thus making them yell even louder, he makes them act out as the nutcases they are.

wrxsti · #97 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Maddox

Because, if he begins to respond to these insane claims, he gives the Birthers some sort of validity. He´s smart enough not to do that... by just ignoring them, thus making them yell even louder, he makes them act out as the nutcases they are.

Besides, watching nutcases make fools of themselves is entertaining.

Captain Trips · #98 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Maddox

Because, if he begins to respond to these insane claims, he gives the Birthers some sort of validity. He´s smart enough not to do that... by just ignoring them, thus making them yell even louder, he makes them act out as the nutcases they are.

By responding, he'll admit and acknowledge that there are people that are wondering why he has spent over a million dollars to keep documents proving his eligibility hidden. He cannot do that and remain credible.

Not that he has any credibility anyways.

Why are these people "nutcases."

How does wondering why he will not release his documents and has even spent millions to keep them hidden make someone "nuts."

Is "acting out" now defined as wanting the answer to a question ? Redefine redefine redefine ....

Tanngrisnir3 · #99 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

By responding, he'll admit and acknowledge that there are people that are wondering why he has spent over a million dollars to keep documents proving his eligibility hidden. He cannot do that and remain credible.

As has already been demonstrated, there is no way to determine how much money he has spent on 'keeping documents hiding'. I'm not surprised that that's over your head, or, more likely, you conveniently choose to ignore uncomfortable facts.

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Not that he has any credibility anyways.

With you? I don't think he cares.

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Why are these people "nutcases."

If you have to ask.....

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How does wondering why he will not release his documents and has even spent millions to keep them hidden make someone "nuts."

Is "acting out" now defined as wanting the answer to a question ? Redefine redefine redefine ....

Obfuscate, obfuscate, mis-direct. Woo-woo's are always the same.

Knute · #**100** (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Ernie S.

Do you really believe what you say? or are you just stirring up shit? I don't believe I've ever know anyone as one dimensional as you.

I do believe that Bush & Cheney were happy about 9/11 and that O was not a choice of anyone who would want to deceive the American people. At least I have a dimension instead of dementia as the far right seems to suffer. Maybe they are emulating Saint Ronnie.

Knute · #**101** (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by JoMe

Yea, well I like to think everyone on this board is rational, but apparently I'm mistaken.

Thinking that O is not a US citizen in order to somehow overturn the will of the American people is far more irrational than anything I have ever said on this board

Steve · #**102** (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Knute

Thinking that O is not a US citizen in order to somehow overturn the will of the American people is far more irrational than anything I have ever said on this board

An honest question for you:

If it were proven that Obama was not born in the United States, and was ineligible to have run for the Presidency, would you advocate that he resign, and allow Biden to take over?

And, please, before you go off on some silly rant, I really do believe Obama is a US citizen...

Knute · #**103** (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Steve

An honest question for you:

If it were proven that Obama was not born in the United States, and was ineligible to have run for the Presidency, would you advocate that he resign, and allow Biden to take over?

And, please, before you go off on some silly rant, I really do believe Obama is a US citizen...

The question is simply absurd. I will say the only way the lunatic right is going to get O out of there is to kill him and I wouldn't put it past them for one minute. If that happens , Biden will get everything O wanted and more. The rightwing nutcases too stupid to even figure that one out.

Steve · #**104** (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Knute

The question is simply absurd. I will say the only way the lunatic right is going to get O out of there is to kill him and I wouldn't put it past them for one minute. If that happens , Biden will get everything O wanted and more. The rightwing nutcases too stupid to even figure that one out.

Yeah, I didn't think you would answer it. You're too afraid to.

You're too afraid to admit that you would advocate dismissing the Constitution to keep the Golden Boy in office, even if he was shown to be ineligible.

It was a hypothetical. Pity you're unable to deal with that.

Interesting that you would blame "the right" if Obama were killed. The vasy majority of people on "the right" would never want to see that happen. Many might not shed too many tears, but spare few would advocate it...

Knute · #**105** (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

I don't have to answer questions the way you want. The right only asks questions to entrap people and when that doesn't work, they accuse the other of being tricky. The question was hypothetical and it was also completely absurd. I do like O , but I am disappoinrted by a few things he has or hasn't done but why should I tell y'all about those. Y'all have plenty of hatred already in your fantasies. I might add that the right was far more supportive of Bush before he FUBARed everything he touched. You might not be the one to pull the trigger , but their are plenty of your brethren that would.
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