The saddest part is that even if we accept the highest number being put forward by the White House now (about 1,000,000) as beyond question, that still means that the cost per job is $150,000, which is an abysmal failure by any measure.

First Cash for Clunkers with it $24,000 cost for each additional car sale (closer to $50,000 per each additional sale of cars by the American auto manufacturers), then jobs "created or saved" at the bargain price of $150,000 - $230,000. God help us if the 1,900 page healthcare bill or anything even remotely resembling it is as "successful" as some idiots thing these programs have been.

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"It's a good feeling to shoot a bad guy. Something you democrats would never understand. Americans are homesteaders, we want a safe home, keep the money we make, and shoot bad guys!"

----Denny Crane

So you're stating that Americans went to cast a vote against G.W. Bush--(even though he wasn't running)---

BTW--Democrats were running the house & senate prior to Obama getting elected.

And you're still disillusioned--if you believe that--

Of course they weree voting against w. That fact was widely acknowledged by both sides and I've never heard anyone seriously dispute it. The 2008 election was a referendum on 8 years of bush admin. And if you will read my post you will see that I acknowledged the dem control of congress in 2006.

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I suppose you're right. Wall st is a huge revenue generator for NY. Living upstate like I do we never really feel part of it though. There are alot of people around here who believe the other 90% of the state is ignored by state and national officials in favor of the city and would love to see the NYC metro area be its own state.

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yes and NYC had chased out a bunch of high income folks whom are tired of being held hostage to civil service whims. So thsoe NYCers will be feeling the pain., I lived there for a few years after I left the servcie, it was insane then and is even more insane now.

We have done same here, if it weren't for the weather we'd lose a bunch more. Bus. has already taken a powder. Never piss off your tax base....cause the little folks like us wind up paying not only in tax/income but quality of life.

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LOL Surely Chris Matthews hasn't lost that thrill up his leg, yet?

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I hate to say it but technically, since he hasn't laid them off, he's saved every singe federal govt job.... so I think this was an upheld campaign promise, sadly enough.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFdAJRVm94

Funny you mention that. Juan Williams of Fox News basically said the same thing last week over this issue. Money dispersed to keep government workers jobs. So you could say that was a "saved" job---

And that is one of the real risks with the "stimulus", that it will short circuit one of the things about recessiosn historically that set us up for robust recovery/boom periods afterwards. Normally recessions force states to trim much of the fat in state budgets, by subsidizing state budgets, the Obama stimulus is reducing the amount of fat being cut, which will result in a less robust recovery/boom period to follow.

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"It's a good feeling to shoot a bad guy. Something you democrats would never understand. Americans are homesteaders, we want a safe home, keep the money we make, and shoot bad guys!"

----Denny Crane

Bingo; at the end of the day, the jobs that should have gone and the prgm.s that ate money and got those states in difficulty will still be there. The fed. is subsidizing years of State sloth and mismanagement, and of course that means us. So not only we get to have our local taxes raised to sppt. the state in ‘hard times’, we also get to pay higher fed. taxes for the very same reasons too……

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

As an opportunity cost, I think unemployment compensation that conforms to at-will employment doctrine and state at-will employment laws could solve for a "natural" unemployment rate and official poverty. Those monies could be stimulating our economy now and creating an impetus for more job creation through more consistent consumer spending (demand).

Having a policy that is as easy to administer as current minimum wage laws could be considered an incentive rather than a regulatory burden for normal market activity to flourish.

This just goes to show you that what motivates the direction of the MSM is in fact the thinking of the public. Oabama is going to take a lot of hits as he goes along. This morning however, on ABC's George (Stepinopholis) conservative columnist George Will said that Obama has certainly lived up to his promises . . .

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. . . Everything from toy guns that spark, to flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark, it's easy to see without looking too far, that not much is really sacred.

I agree that Obama has lived up to his promises. There is absolutely nothing that he said a million times over during the campaign season that he is not trying to do today. "That's what scaring the h... out of everyone." Independants are running from him--40% of the populace now consider themselves conservative with less than 20% claiming to be liberal "today."

It's called socialism-aka-redistribution of wealth. We had a populace that was so intent on electing someone who could give a perfectly pronounced speech--with atomosphere--cheering masses--& greek columns--that they really didn't listen to what he was actually saying.

Attack the wealthy--which is typically business iin this country & that are the private sector job creators. Small business in this country--which represents 67% of all employers didn't get sqwat from the stimulus bill to do what they've been very good at. Expanding their business'es which in turn creates jobs.

We are witnessing Reaganomics (trickle down economics versus Obamanomics or flood the basement tactics to see what happens). It's not working. The only thing that is expanding in leaps & bounds is the size of government while the private sector continues to shrink.

FDR's version of socialism gave us Hoover Dam as a public sector means of production. Infrastructure development is a more legitimate reason for increasing the size of government than is our discretionary spending on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror.