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Tanngrisnir3 · #61 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

Only God can make someone an idiot, a person can make an ignoramous of themselves though.

Or, like you, demonstrate on a daily basis the sublime qualities of a 4th class legal mind.

Tanngrisnir3 · #62 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Oreo

Tanngerine--before you reply --you may want to check into Fidelicomiso property in Mexico--aka registered property. Any foreigner can own property within Mexico if it is outside of 60 miles of any beach front property. Within 60 miles or beachfront property it is called Fidelicomiso property or to you registered property. Go to vrbo.com look up Mexico & any district in Mexico & you will find thousands of foreigners that own & can buy & sell property in Mexico like we do in the U.S. The only difference in registered property in Mexico (within the 60 miles) is you dedicate a bank to be the trustee--& you are the owners of the trust which is for 99 years. If you decide to keep the property past 99 years you pay another fee for registration & go on from there. Other than that you buy & sell Mexican property just like in the U.S.

I'm sorry, but what did I just tell you in my last post?

Thanks for repeating it, I guess, and confirming my point that you don't know what you're talking about.

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Therefore--Foreigners have bought most of the beach front property for investment to build these fancy resorts & they EMPLOY millions of Mexicans.

Apparently your English skills are lacking because you don't understand the verb 'to buy'.

Sorry that you don't comprehend that you don't actually own that property.

timj219 · #63 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

Like I said, even if we accept as absolutely, unassailably correct the numbers being put out by the White House, only a blindly partisan fool could conclude it has been a success.

It would have been far more effecient to get that money into the hands of consumers by suspending income and payrol taxes for the later half of the year.

Is there anything that can't be fixed with a tax cut?
I remember the debate when the crash came. I remember that virtually all the experts agreed that deficit spending would act as a stimulus on the economy. You may well have disagreed back then too. I know I didn't buy into it 100%. But I can't blame people who believed it. And I'm not aware of anyone who can prove that things would not be worse if it hadn't been done.

Tanngrisnir3 · #64 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by timj219

Is there anything that can't be fixed with a tax cut?
I remember the debate when the crash came. I remember that virtually all the experts agreed that deficit spending would act as a stimulus on the economy. You may well have disagreed back then too. I know I didn't buy into it 100%. But I can't blame people who believed it. And I'm not aware of anyone who can prove that things would not be worse if it hadn't been done.

You have to understand that 'tax cut' is like a retard mantra to certain people. There's no real evidence for their masturbatory claims about it as a cure-all, but there you have it.

They see shiny things, they love shiny things.

Marcus1124 · #65 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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timj219
Is there anything that can't be fixed with a tax cut?
I remember the debate when the crash came. I remember that virtually all the experts agreed that deficit spending would act as a stimulus on the economy. You may well have disagreed back then too. I know I didn't buy into it 100%. But I can't blame people who believed it. And I'm not aware of anyone who can prove that things would not be worse if it hadn't been done.

By "virtually all the experts" you must be refering to your myopic liberal fantasy world. In the real world, there was tremendous disagreement about whether or not massive deficit spending would effectively stimulate the economy better than other alternatives (monetary policy, tax rate reductions, etc.)

Oreo · #66 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by timj219

It cracks me up when an anonymous internet poster who can barely put together a rational paragraph and shows no evidence of education or awareness of the world around him claims to be a wealthy business owner with an exotic vacation home. I guess it must be true it's easier to get rich in this country than anywher else in the world.

O.K. dip squat--go to vrbo.com type in a search on 22391--email the link--tell me who you are--or that you're from uspoliticsonline.com & see how fast I come back with DUMB ASS!

proUSA · #67 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

The stimulus didn't save or create jobs....all it did was create a few temperary ones inwhich the people are out of work soon after....The new job growth has been ZERO.

well, Obugger did create some jobs I guess.....if you want to count all those Czars.

proUSA · #68 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

Ohhh, I also forgot that gun and ammo sales have sky rocketed and the manufactures are paying big OT to meet demands...

so yea, I guess he did do something.

timj219 · #69 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

By "virtually all the experts" you must be refering to your myopic liberal fantasy world. In the real world, there was tremendous disagreement about whether or not massive deficit spending would effectively stimulate the economy better than other alternatives (monetary policy, tax rate reductions, etc.)

Well I guess we'll just have to say I was too stupid to find the naysaysers then because I read alot and I found the vast majority to be recommending deficit spending for stimulus. And as a matter of fact there are no fiscally "conservative" politicans in this equation either. The last fiscal conservative we had in the white house was Eisenhower.

danielpalos · #70 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

I think that place looks pretty nice. The bar/kitchen on the balcony is pretty cool.

Oreo · #71 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

I think that place looks pretty nice. The bar/kitchen on the balcony is pretty cool.

Thank You Daniel--in reality I call this our money pit--

My husband & I have owned it for a little over 10 years, & we keep 2 Mexican families employed. Because, it typically only rents out during the high season from about mid december to the end of march--but yet you have to have a full time gardener & a maid to care for the villa. So the money we take in during the high season, we hope pay for them for the entiire year.

They are great & we have had them both since we bought the villa.

jschmidt · #72 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

Man that's a lot of derived insight from one comment. One might even thing the "insight" is really wishfulness. Just sayin...

danielpalos · #73 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

Here is an article on foreign owned property in Mexico.

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According to the articles 1 and 33 of our Constitution, foreigners enjoy the same human rights as the Mexicans, what be understood mean that foreigners have full freedom to operate in Mexico, but in particular for acquisition of real estate, their capacity is limited depending on the location of the property intending to buy. In regards to the acquisition of real estate in Mexico by foreigners, Mexico is divided in two zones, the restricted zone and the rest of the country. The first one covers a swathe of territory of 100 kilometers along the borders and 50 kilometers along the seashore. Within the restricted zone, foreigners are banned from direct purchase of real estate, so they can only have the use rights through trusts. In the rest of the country, foreigners do have capacity to acquire real estate, provided they obtain a permission to purchase granted by the Department of Foreign Relations, and conclude a pact called “Calvo Clause”, which consists in an agreement that a foreigner holds with the Mexican State through the said Department, in which he or she shall be deemed a Mexican nationality with regards to real estate acquired, it being further understood that such foreigner agrees not to invoke the protection of his or her government, under penalty of forfeiting the real estate acquired to the Mexican State.

Source: Real Estate in Mexico – Legal Matters – PVMirror Puerto Vallarta Travel Magazine

Oreo · #74 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

Here is an article on foreign owned property in Mexico.

To make this simple. There are at least 10,000 or more Americans typically retired- that own & live in Guadaluajara, & have been so for decades. In fact, many of our American doctors today got their education from here. Guadalajara is more than 60 miles from the beach--so no problem. This is through-out Mexico.

Within 60 miles of a beach you have to buy what is called Fidelicomiso property or what gringo's call registerd property. It's very simple. A Mexican bank is the trustee holder, You are the registered beneficiary of the property, the agreement lasts for 99 years, which you can renew & you can buy or sell like we do with properties in the U.S. I pay a fee to the bank of approx. $400 U.S per year to maintain the agreement. If you do not pay they continually add the amount per year & charge interest. At any rate this fee, it is much less than what we pay in property taxes in the United States.

This is how it works.

I apologize for getting everyone so off topic!

jet57 · #75 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Oreo

I agree that Obama has lived up to his promises. There is absolutely nothing that he said a million times over during the campaign season that he is not trying to do today. "That's what scaring the h... out of everyone." Independants are running from him--40% of the populace now consider themselves conservative with less than 20% claiming to be liberal "today."

It's called socialism-aka-redistribution of wealth. We had a populace that was so intent on electing someone who could give a perfectly pronounced speech--with atomosphere--cheering masses--& greek columns--that they really didn't listen to what he was actually saying.

Attack the wealthy--which is typically business iin this country & that are the private sector job creators. Small business in this country--which represents 67% of all employers didn't get sqwat from the stimulus bill to do what they've been very good at. Expanding their business'es which in turn creates jobs.

We are witnessing Reaganomics (trickle down economics versus Obamanomics or flood the basement tactics to see what happens). It's not working. The only thing that is expanding in leaps & bounds is the size of government while the private sector continues to shrink.

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Oh I think you're being a bit paranoid. I have a great deal of respect for columnist George Will: if he thought there was any truth to anything you've said he would have mentioned it or written about it by now.

I just don't think you get the wealthy 1% vs the rest of us at all.

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