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Re: Barack Obama will skip the 20 Year celebration of fall of the Berlin Wall

Of course Obama isn't going to go. This isn't about HIM. It's all about HIM. The big O and his ego.

Maybe he is going to be busy that night... maybe he has important things to do... like watch a documentary about himself.
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Re: Barack Obama will skip the 20 Year celebration of fall of the Berlin Wall

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Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!

We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace. There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!

Ronald Reagan, Brandenburg Gate, June 12, 1987.

YouTube - "Berlin Wall" Speech - President Reagan's Address at the Brandenburg Gate - 6/12/87
Woop-de-do.

Obama gives lots of speeches.
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Woop-de-do.

Obama gives lots of speeches.
True. But, Reagan did more than just give a speech. He fought the communists everywhere using every reasonable tool at his disposal, from diplomacy to deep space.
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True. But, Reagan did more than just give a speech. He fought the communists everywhere using every reasonable tool at his disposal, from diplomacy to deep space.
He also fought crime, put an end to poverty and hunger, and walked on water.



My hero...

edit: sorry, that was childish, I know... but I couldn't help myself, lol...

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He also fought crime, put an end to poverty and hunger, and walked on water.



My hero...

edit: sorry, that was childish, I know... but I couldn't help myself, lol...
His legend builds. I suggest we remove Roosevelt's face off Rushmore and replace him with Reagan. Both were Republicans, so it should get bi-partisan support.
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Re: Barack Obama will skip the 20 Year celebration of fall of the Berlin Wall

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so he gave a speech about it. does that mean the wall wasn't coming down anyway?

the speech was a sort of culmination. without his efforts before it that wall would not have come down.
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Re: Barack Obama will skip the 20 Year celebration of fall of the Berlin Wall

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the speech was a sort of culmination. without his efforts before it that wall would not have come down.
then a more proper response to tann's post would have been an outline of which actions of reagan's contributed to bringing down the wall, not posting a quote from a speech which doesn't describe anything that he did.
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then a more proper response to tann's post would have been an outline of which actions of reagan's contributed to bringing down the wall, not posting a quote from a speech which doesn't describe anything that he did.
Don't hold your breath. The Reagan worshipers have tried, again and again, to lay the collapse of the USSR, and communism in general, at the feet of the hallowed St. Ronnie, but the historical record keeps getting in their way.
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I am flummoxed, why would he skip this? Merkel asked him personally to come in June.....its gonna be a big event, I think since we played a fairly large part, it would seem well, kind of strange we bowed out?
No one wants to see a weepy president, I'm sure he sill misses the wall.
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Re: Barack Obama will skip the 20 Year celebration of fall of the Berlin Wall

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I thought we were tired of him "globetrotting."

Shouldn't he stay home and focus on what really matters?
I think its time we take a cue from Multiplicity and just clone the man so he can make everyone happy.

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He also fought crime, put an end to poverty and hunger, and walked on water.



My hero...

edit: sorry, that was childish, I know... but I couldn't help myself, lol...
Hmmm....are you thinking what I'm thinking?
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Re: Barack Obama will skip the 20 Year celebration of fall of the Berlin Wall

skipping the usual.....I had this written offline last night and will post it now, then go back and read posts above it...


I cannot imagine one reason why this would be a no go…it’s a huge event, it’s a winner for all, with zero downside and significant upside as well, us the continent, we all fought a war, came together and recognized a greater evil thereafter.

Shoulder to shoulder,50 years, humongous amounts of national treasure and effort amongst all participants and together. No recriminations, every one won whom should have, hundreds of millions realized greater freedoms, liberty etc.

This is tailor made, Nato and the US side by side, we did it and we should celebrate it silver ann. Together, Merkel asking him personally well, anyone familiar with her life story, growing up in east Germany etc. this is a win win.

A speech speaking to Natos success and forward vision as new and different issues are on the horizon and evident in say Afghanistan, if we all pull together, which it appears Nato is more than ready to do, then what better place AND time to say so and cement that common resolve? If one doesn’t celebrate a victory like this, then what is there to celebrate?
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Re: Barack Obama will skip the 20 Year celebration of fall of the Berlin Wall

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if he attended, you would criticize him for not doing his job and spending too much time with the euros
yes thank you Marvin them mind reader, no there are events that he should and frankly must attend, as a sign of decorum and importyance depdning on the event /issuie, so your remark appears to be just the usual, with no real explanation and not even attempting to make one, except like our small consonant friends faux supra intellectualism, making the poster the object of the post not the QUESTION..…..

I made no bones about any of the trips he has made save one- the Olympics…sorry to pop that bubble.


As far as going to Europe hes been there many times and already has 2 more trips sheduled in the next 7 weeks,one after he was invited to Berlin for the celebration. And let us be fair here, he had no issue going there as a CANDIDATE, remember? In the Tiergarten? Making a speech? Hes been to several world venues, for a myriad of reasons, Cairo, Copenhagen, he’ll be going back to discuss global warming in Nov. he’ll be going to Oslo for the Peace prize.

It appears you, and the other Emoters think that perhaps on a priority scale, the fall of the wall/end of the cold war and whats celebrated frankly as the end a war, a EURO-US moment of unity and celebration may be no big deal ( if I am wriong please correct me) and I am out of line somehow asking we hes not going? Is that it?

Can we get to the question and dispense with the accusations over motivation here in the forum…its just a blind alley.
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Re: Barack Obama will skip the 20 Year celebration of fall of the Berlin Wall

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Don't hold your breath. The Reagan worshipers have tried, again and again, to lay the collapse of the USSR, and communism in general, at the feet of the hallowed St. Ronnie, but the historical record keeps getting in their way.

Who said Reagan was solely responsible and what does it have to do with the question? We aren't discussing Reagan, the question is why would Obama pass on a salutary historical event where in we played a huge part and was a win for everyone, would provide a wonderful venue and opportunity to cement and acknowledge everyone’s contributions going forward especially now ?
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yes thank you Marvin them mind reader, no there are events that he should and frankly must attend, as a sign of decorum and importyance depdning on the event /issuie, so your remark appears to be just the usual, with no real explanation and not even attempting to make one, except like our small consonant friends faux supra intellectualism, making the poster the object of the post not the QUESTION..…..

I made no bones about any of the trips he has made save one- the Olympics…sorry to pop that bubble.


As far as going to Europe hes been there many times and already has 2 more trips sheduled in the next 7 weeks,one after he was invited to Berlin for the celebration. And let us be fair here, he had no issue going there as a CANDIDATE, remember? In the Tiergarten? Making a speech? Hes been to several world venues, for a myriad of reasons, Cairo, Copenhagen, he’ll be going back to discuss global warming in Nov. he’ll be going to Oslo for the Peace prize.

It appears you, and the other Emoters think that perhaps on a priority scale, the fall of the wall/end of the cold war and whats celebrated frankly as the end a war, a EURO-US moment of unity and celebration may be no big deal ( if I am wriong please correct me) and I am out of line somehow asking we hes not going? Is that it?

Can we get to the question and dispense with the accusations over motivation here in the forum…its just a blind alley.
sorry, but i'm not buying your faux outrage here.
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sorry, but i'm not buying your faux outrage here.
sorry but since you don't know me and have decided to engage in knocking down a strawman to start with anyway, I really don't care what you buy. My outrage, fiegned or not, is not the topic or question.

Answer the question.
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