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Re: The President's Bizarre Introductory Remarks

I didn't think much of this claim...then I watched the video.
OK - that is odd. There was zero separation between the planned speech and the comments on the shooting....just odd.
I am not going to say it is because he loathes the military or any such other nonsense...only that it appears he did not fully appreciate the situation, and did not think it was important enough to start the speech with his comments...maybe call for 10 seconds silence or so - and begin his planned speech. I think this is what any thoughtful person would have done as a leader.
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I can throw stones with confidence that 95% of what the right accuses Obama with not only is distorted, it usually isn't even based upon facts.

I have no compunction against criticizing Obama for bad things he has actually done, such as continued suspension of Habeus corpus, continued illegal wiretapping, catering to corporate interests, covering up bush's torture policies, etc.

I'm an equal opportunity rock thrower that way. But I don't throw rocks on heresay and made-up information. I throw rocks when people actually deserve it.

as incredible as it might seem, you just could not make this shit Obama does up if you tried. at this point in our history a dabbler and dilettante is the last thing we needed in the White House, but its what we're stuck with.
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I can throw stones with confidence that 95% of what the right accuses Obama with not only is distorted, it usually isn't even based upon facts. (He's a racist, he's a muslim, he was born in Kenya, he wants to kill my grandparents, he hates america, he is a socialist, he is a communist, he hates capitalism, etc, etc).

I have no compunction against criticizing Obama for bad things he has actually done, such as continued suspension of Habeus corpus, continued illegal wiretapping, catering to corporate interests, covering up bush's torture policies, etc.

I'm an equal opportunity rock thrower that way. But I don't throw rocks on heresay and made-up information. I throw rocks when people actually deserve it.
So how do you feel about the major promises that Obama has broken, like the vast discussion on HC reform complete with C-Span? See?, to the lefties, every lie is a small insignificant lie.................even when it concerns the ramming down our throats of the biggest, most expensive social program ever.
Did it ever occour to you that maybe if he would have actually followed thru with some of his BULLSHIT promisies like leading from the center, booting lobbyists, etc, that more people on the right would respect him? maybe not always agree, but repect. He's a junior rookie apprentice who has done NOTHING deserving of my respect. Nada, Zip.
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I don't see what the problem is. Obama wrapped up one issue and got on to another. This is how it works... Maybe you would want a guy to drop everything.. Didn't McCain do that and the American people siad what they thought about that...

So RWers... The President has multi-task abilities... This is a new thing for ye... He ties up issues and moves to the next one....
It's impossible to know if this is intended ironically...? I will assume it must be.

Multi-tasking? Tie up an issue and move on to the next?

This is just trendy business-speak. This was not an executive meeting. This was a reference to a mass murder.

Again - I am assuming this was intended as an example of tasteless irony.
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My God, how petty.

What the fuck? The "shout out" was to a congressional medal of honor winner.

And the apparent charge is that not showing reverence and respect for the military or the Fort Hood massacre?

It was not a press conference for Fort Hood as Fox advertised, it was a Native American Conference during which he commented on the Fort Hood situation. Give me a break.
False. The White House alerted the media that he would be addressing the situation at Fort Hood, which is why the remarks were televised (and not just on Fox). And he began his televised remarks with two plus minutes of light banter and "shout outs" before getting to the Fort Hood business. That's a little off, and I don't think it's just hardened "right wingers" who think so. I'm surprised you're so eager to whitewash this, LBS. Of course, I expect it from the hard-core leftists, but that's not your usual M.O.

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I have no compunction against criticizing Obama for bad things he has actually done, such as continued suspension of Habeus corpus, continued illegal wiretapping, catering to corporate interests, covering up bush's torture policies, etc.

I'm an equal opportunity rock thrower that way. But I don't throw rocks on heresay and made-up information. I throw rocks when people actually deserve it. Sadly I wish I had a glass house, the two parties being so terribly bad at representing my interests has left me homeless.
Um, this isn't made up d1. It's documented clearly on video. The report is accurate.
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When you send an apprentice to do a skilled tradesman's job, this is what you get.
And that sums it up.

Obama lacks the training, the experience and above all the wisdom to address these very serious -in this case, tragic - situations in a way that combines the necessary gravity with both reserve and intensity.

He is a facilitator and a conciliatory figure, but he does not have the qualities or the presence or the power of a leader, and that is what is needed here.

It is not possible to hide that. I don't think it has anything to do with his intentions. He is a lightweight. In that sense he is a more sophisticated, up-market version of Jimmy Carter.

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False. The White House alerted the media that he would be addressing the situation at Fort Hood, which is why the remarks were televised (and not just on Fox). And he began his televised remarks with two plus minutes of light banter and "shout outs" before getting to the Fort Hood business. That's a little off, and I don't think it's just hardened "right wingers" who think so. I'm surprised you're so eager to whitewash this, LBS. Of course, I expect it from the hard-core leftists, but that's not your usual M.O.
On the bottom of the screen, it says "News Conference on Deadly Mass Shooting At Fort Hood".

That's what's inaccurate. It's not a news conference called to address Fort Hood, it was a scheduled Native American Conference that was interrupted to address the Fort Hood situation.

I'm not categorizing the people that are complaining about this. But anybody making a big deal out of this is ignoring reason IMO. I don't see that I'm white washing......what I see is people jumping to conclusions.

Is it odd? Yes, it would be, if this event were an actual news conference whose purpose was to discuss Fort Hood. As it was, there was a room full of Native Americans to address and cutting over from news coverage from a viewer perspective misses that the entire flow of the event was focused on a different subject....He had just been introduced and, as is customary, thanked his audience. A "shout out" to a medal of honor winner was part of that thank you.

At the point where Obama actually brought up the bad news. It's not as if he demonstrated that he was in an especially chipper mood. His delivery was rather solemn and respectful, as I think you acknowledged.

To make hay of Obama's thanks to the sponsors of the event and the MOH winner, before he began his speech, is petty IMO.
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My God, how petty.

What the fuck? The "shout out" was to a congressional medal of honor winner.

And the apparent charge is that not showing reverence and respect for the military or the Fort Hood massacre?

It was not a press conference for Fort Hood as Fox advertised, it was a Native American Conference during which he commented on the Fort Hood situation. Give me a break.
Then it should have been a press conference on the Fort Hood situation. Sorry - on this one, he made a mistake.

I think it's difficult to explain this away completely.

There was an awkwardness and a strange lack of timing and awareness that really does matter. I am not saying it was intentional at all, but there was an odd, superficial, lightweight tone and manner in his handling of the comments that came across as bewildering. It didn't match the events.
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On the bottom of the screen, it says "News Conference on Deadly Mass Shooting At Fort Hood".

That's what's inaccurate. It's not a news conference called to address Fort Hood, it was a scheduled Native American Conference that was interrupted to address the Fort Hood situation.
Regardless of the titling at the bottom of the screen, we all know what it was. He invited the press to televise his remarks so he could address the nation on the Fort Hood situation. And his introductory remarks did not fit with that occasion. All light banter should have been dispensed with. (It is possible to thank or acknowledge hosts without light-hearted banter and joking around when there's just been a national tragedy, and it would certainly be acceptable to dispense entirely with such pleasantries in the face of such an occurrence.)

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I'm not categorizing the people that are complaining about this. But anybody making a big deal out of this is ignoring reason IMO. I don't see that I'm white washing......what I see is people jumping to conclusions.

Is it odd? Yes, it would be, if this event were an actual news conference whose purpose was to discuss Fort Hood. As it was, there was a room full of Native Americans to address and cutting over from news coverage from a viewer perspective misses that the entire flow of the event was focused on a different subject....He had just been introduced and, as is customary, thanked his audience. A "shout out" to a medal of honor winner was part of that thank you.

At the point where Obama actually brought up the bad news. It's not as if he demonstrated that he was in an especially chipper mood. His delivery was rather solemn and respectful, as I think you acknowledged.

To make hay of Obama's thanks to the sponsors of the event and the MOH winner, before he began his speech, is petty IMO.
I'm not making "hay" of it. I think it's odd and not reflective of the gravity of the situation he invited the media to address, and I'm sharing my observations with my friends here on USPOL. I don't think the man should be drawn and quartered ... or even water-boarded. You think my taking note of this is petty ... OK. We disagree. I think you lack perspective.
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As a conservative I didn't have much of a problem with what he said. If he had taken out the words "shout out" I wouldn't have had a problem with it at all. I think this is a mountain out of a molehill case.
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On the bottom of the screen, it says "News Conference on Deadly Mass Shooting At Fort Hood".

That's what's inaccurate. It's not a news conference called to address Fort Hood, it was a scheduled Native American Conference that was interrupted to address the Fort Hood situation.

I'm not categorizing the people that are complaining about this. But anybody making a big deal out of this is ignoring reason IMO. I don't see that I'm white washing......what I see is people jumping to conclusions.

Is it odd? Yes, it would be, if this event were an actual news conference whose purpose was to discuss Fort Hood. As it was, there was a room full of Native Americans to address and cutting over from news coverage from a viewer perspective misses that the entire flow of the event was focused on a different subject....He had just been introduced and, as is customary, thanked his audience. A "shout out" to a medal of honor winner was part of that thank you.

At the point where Obama actually brought up the bad news. It's not as if he demonstrated that he was in an especially chipper mood. His delivery was rather solemn and respectful, as I think you acknowledged.

To make hay of Obama's thanks to the sponsors of the event and the MOH winner, before he began his speech, is petty IMO.
Shhh..... if you dispassionately express only the facts, the RW echo chamber falls falls apart.
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A. Sorry, Timmeh, I'm not a liberal.
B. GWB has zero to do with this. Do try and stay on topic, hmmm?

Ah, so now you're retracting your original statement. Nice consistency you have there.
A. Sorry I generally equate pomposity and a complete disregard for logic as liberal traits.
I didn't bring GWB into the conversation, but since you ask, why was it fine and dandy for liberals to beat up on Bush for 8 years, and now even beyond his presidency, but it is not permissible for me to disagree with a community organizer from Chicago?
Your one dimensional mind obviously is incapable of understanding sarcasm, so I'll put it another way. The best thing obama has done since taking office is he stayed the hell out of the way of professionals that were tasked with rescuing the hostages from the Somali pirates
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Then it should have been a press conference on the Fort Hood situation. Sorry - on this one, he made a mistake.

I think it's difficult to explain this away completely.

There was an awkwardness and a strange lack of timing and awareness that really does matter. I am not saying it was intentional at all, but there was an odd, superficial, lightweight tone and manner in his handling of the comments that came across as bewildering. It didn't match the events.
Agree 100%.
It is not at all uncommon for a President to begin a planned speech with comments on a current situation.
Ex: "Before we begin, I want to take this time to...." - EVery President has done this numerous times.
The strange/awkward/poorly timed statement was just weird. Completely out of tune with the gravity of the situation.
I dare say he put more effort and emotion into his little diatribe about his professor friend and the Police officer fiasco.
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There was an awkwardness and a strange lack of timing and awareness that really does matter.

Of course it could be awkward, strange or odd to someone watching the TV coverage or a youtube video. Imagine yourself sitting in a chair in the second row of that room. Some Native American spokesperson just introduced Obama. Obama gets up and thanks the people putting on the event (which I would again point out is customary), then goes into the meat of his message, which was first and foremost, the Fort Hood situation.

Just because we, as viewers, peer in at the exact moment that Obama starts speaking, doesn't relieve us of acknowledging the context.
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I think this is a mountain out of a molehill case.
Hmmm ... I don't think discussing it turns a molehill into a mountain. I'll grant you this may be a molehill but a hill nonetheless.

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Just because we, as viewers, peer in at the exact moment that Obama starts speaking, doesn't relieve us of acknowledging the context.
Then why have you done it?
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