That's odd, given that you have demonstrated absolutely zero capacity thus far, and that shows no signs of changing.So now you'd like to make things up? I think it's just fine for you to disagree with anyone you'd like to, and have not stated otherwise.I've forgotten more sarcasm then you'll ever know, Timmeh, and no, you weren't using sarcasm.

You're not fooling anyone but yourself.

I mean this honestly...did you even watch this?
If so...how in the heck do you think this is about the conference he was in?
That conference is a distant 1,000 in importance to what happened.

This was about talking to the WORLD and most importantly all of America...you are making the point for us...and I am amazed you don't even seem aware of that.

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I agree about the context - it's a difficult situation. There is no question about it.

But nevertheless, he is the president and he was presented with this. And it didn't work.

Touche. But I'm speaking of the context of Obama's immediate surroundings......not the context of a television viewer absorbed in non-stop coverage up 'til the point where they cut over to his speech.

What the WH saw probably as important is getting Obama to comment on the situation ASAP. He was in an interrupted situation. The planned event was giving a prepared speech at a Native American conference. What they did was to set that speech aside to speak about developing news.

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That was an extremely awkwardly constructed speech. But I don't really see anything beyond that basic ineptitude in its construction, and maybe a bit of lightness in the delivery and misprioritization, that really warrants going apeshit on him. I just see this as another minor gaffe.

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But the President knew that was the context in which the American people were seeing his remarks.

Like it or not, that was the context.

But they didn't. He stuck with his planned introductory remarks, including the light-hearted banter and "shout out" and then segued into somber mode for the Fort Hood part.

Again - did you watch the video?
It is OK LBS, you can say Obama didn't do something very good...we will still think you are OK.
HE messed up.
Clearly.
If I had not seen the video, trust me, I would have put more credence in your post in this thread than anyone else's...and would have dismissed this as just another Obama bash thread.
But then I watched the video.

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I agree with your observations but not your conclusion. (... but I don't see many posters in a frenzy over it.)

You used the word 'lightness in the delivery and misprioritization". (I have never heard of that last word, but I take your point. )

I agree with you.

But is that really a minor gaffe?

A light delivery when referring to a mass murder on a military base?

That is more than a minor gaffe. It is a genune issue.

Who is going apeshit?
However this is beyond a "minor gaffe"...

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I did watch the clip, yes. The introduction by the Native American guy had no audio.....From his animation, it looked like a rousing introduction, presumably followed by applause, followed by Obama's thank you's, followed by Obama pre-empting his speech to talk about Fort Hood.

It seems like a logical progression of events to me.

If someone gives an impassioned introduction to me, I would acknowledge them briefly, no matter what my message was. It was a show of respect for his audience.....the one that invited him...the one that he could see.

Maybe some of the television audience saw the few seconds of respect shown his actual audience as a disrespect to them or (because of their unabated altruism) the families of the victims.. I didn't take it that way, nor do I purport to have any idea how the families of the victims saw it. I'm imagining that this was similar to the repatriation event, in that while many TV viewers were appalled at Obama's attendance and demeanor, the families were likely grateful for the respect and attention.

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Read back in the posts and you will see that I was not the one who brought up George Bush. When you find that, come back and apologize.

My name is Ernie. I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from calling me Timmeh.

Yeah, we wouldn't want the Golden Boy to curtail his "shout outs".

He is a political neophyte. He is woefully ill-prepared to occupy the office, and his almost jovial approach to his comments yesterday is proof of that...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

In the exchange between you and I, you brought it up. I'm sorry that you're having a hard time understanding that.Ah, I see. So you feel free to incorrectly label me as you see fit, and then start to whine when it comes back to you.

Okay, moderate gaffe. It isn't a major gaffe, I don't think it qualifies because he did actually address the incident. If he had just ignored it, that would be a major gaffe.

Nobody is going apeshit just yet... waiting for swoop to find the thread Seriously, though, I don't see why anyone is really surprised or shocked, this is pretty par for the course. I'm just glad he actually addressed the situation. I expected far worse, honestly.

'Misprioritization' isn't actually a word, its just something I constructed on the spot. Prioritization is a word, so... yeah, I'm just too lazy to find another word that fits

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I'm at work, so I'll come right out and say I haven't watched the video. However, I think the issue people are having is that a lot of anti-Obama folks on this board are constantly complaining about how Obama never recognizes the military or doesn't address the nation about hot topic A-Z, etc.

In this situation, he both recognizes the sacrifices of our soldiers and made a timely address to acknowledge the tragedy in Fort Hood. Instead of saying "Well, it's a step in the right direction" or even acknowledging that Obama did what they've been wanting him to do all along, people start complaining that his delivery was off or he didn't "seem" to be into it. Basically, it really does come off as people nitpicking and trying to find anything possible to slam Obama for.

Yes, the left did the same thing for Bush constantly and it was just as ridiculous and annoying then as it is now.

Sure, his transition into this Fort Hood speech may have been awkward or unusual for any number of reasons. But, I think it may not be such an unreasonable request that people listen to what he said and not how he said it or how he transitioned into it. I know if I had a loved one lost in the shootings, I'd find this sort of discussion to be in sort of bad taste, using the president's kind words for the loss of a loved one to make a political jab.

Just my thoughts.

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