The President's Bizarre Introductory Remarks - Page 5 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Steve · #61 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

I know if I had a loved one lost in the shootings, I'd find this sort of discussion to be in sort of bad taste, using the president's kind words for the loss of a loved one to make a political jab.

Yeah, I'm sure the families of the dead are ever so comforted by the "shout out to Dr. Joe Medicine Crow.

Talk about bad taste in the face of unspeakable tragedy...

Ernie S. · #62 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

In the exchange between you and I, you brought it up. I'm sorry that you're having a hard time understanding that.

Ah, I see. So you feel free to incorrectly label me as you see fit, and then start to whine when it comes back to you.

Do you think that this is a private discussion and that I would devote all of my time to you???
Kind of supports me in that when I call you pompous, it is justified. Nothing I've said would lead anyone to believe that I am retarded.

Tanngrisnir3 · #63 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Ernie S.

Do you think that this is a private discussion and that I would devote all of my time to you???

What, if anything, are you braying about now? I'm not asking for any of your time.

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Kind of supports me in that when I call you pompous, it is justified. Nothing I've said would lead anyone to believe that I am retarded.

Relevancy is your friend.

Speakeasy · #64 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Steve

Yeah, I'm sure the families of the dead are ever so comforted by the "shout out to Dr. Joe Medicine Crow.

Talk about bad taste in the face of unspeakable tragedy...

As I said, I haven't watched it, but did he do a 'shout out' while already speaking of the Fort Hood tragedy or was the 'shout out' before he began to address the shootings? If it's the latter, it's obvious that the 'shout out' was not intended to have anything to do with his acknowledgment of the shootings.

iamwhatiseem · #65 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

I'm at work, so I'll come right out and say I haven't watched the video. However, I think the issue people are having is that a lot of anti-Obama folks on this board are constantly complaining about how Obama never recognizes the military or doesn't address the nation about hot topic A-Z, etc.

In this situation, he both recognizes the sacrifices of our soldiers and made a timely address to acknowledge the tragedy in Fort Hood. Instead of saying "Well, it's a step in the right direction" or even acknowledging that Obama did what they've been wanting him to do all along, people start complaining that his delivery was off or he didn't "seem" to be into it. Basically, it really does come off as people nitpicking and trying to find anything possible to slam Obama for.

Yes, the left did the same thing for Bush constantly and it was just as ridiculous and annoying then as it is now.

Sure, his transition into this Fort Hood speech may have been awkward or unusual for any number of reasons. But, I think it may not be such an unreasonable request that people listen to what he said and not how he said it or how he transitioned into it. I know if I had a loved one lost in the shootings, I'd find this sort of discussion to be in sort of bad taste, using the president's kind words for the loss of a loved one to make a political jab.

Just my thoughts.

I thought exactly as you did...until I watched the video.

Speakeasy · #66 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

I thought exactly as you did...until I watched the video.

Perhaps I'll just refrain from any further comments until viewing then.

Steve · #67 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

As I said, I haven't watched it, but did he do a 'shout out' while already speaking of the Fort Hood tragedy or was the 'shout out' before he began to address the shootings? If it's the latter, it's obvious that the 'shout out' was not intended to have anything to do with his acknowledgment of the shootings.

It was before.

Which tells me that his priority was on giving the "shout out" as opposed to speaking about the tragedy at Ft. Hood...

Ernie S. · #68 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

What, if anything, are you braying about now? I'm not asking for any of your time.

Relevancy is your friend.

Then you will get no more.
It's really a shame. You seem to be an intelligent person. It's too bad that you believe that anyone who would dare disagree with you is stupid. I assure you, I am not. This whole exchange has been a waste of our time. It has only confirmed my opinion of you, and you have not not learned a damned thing.

iamwhatiseem · #69 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

My thoughts:

I do not believe Obama has it out for the military.
I do not believe his lack of thought into this shows any negativity about the military or it's purpose.
I do not believe the President thought anything negative at all in fact.

What I do believe is that this video shows a lack of connection with reality. A poor judge of when to be President, and when to be the guy traveling around giving speeches.
When something terrible happens that shakes the nation, and this event certainly does that, people need...no crave...leadership. They look for someone to "be their voice" to say what needs to be said, and to do so with compassion and having a grasp of the situation.
What we got was the appearance of an afterthought. That he didn't really want to say something, but "I guess I better"...so I will just slip in it this speech somewhere, but not until I say what I want to say first.
Now, I do not honestly believe that is what he intended...but that is what we got nevertheless.

John Drake · #70 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by chassisman

So tell us what you liked about GWB........

I agreed wholeheartedly with his immigration views and his view on gay marriage. (which was widely misunderstood, he wanted a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing gays the right to Civil Unions, but not marriages unless the particular religion approved, now they've just recently lost even that in Maine and some other states

I actually thought he handlled 9/11 pretty well, for a few months. Then, apparently, he went insane.

Disillusioned_1 · #71 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Perhaps I'll just refrain from any further comments until viewing then.

I watched it when I read the original post.

There was nothing wrong with the way Obama handled it. Could he have handled it differently? Yes of course there are probably 100 different ways he could have handled it. The way he chose to handle it was completely fine except in the eyes of people who already hate Obama for everything he does.

So you're not really jumping to conclusions. My estimation is that you will watch it and wonder what the hell everyone is so riled up about.

iamwhatiseem · #72 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

I watched it when I read the original post.

There was nothing wrong with the way Obama handled it. Could he have handled it differently? Yes of course there are probably 100 different ways he could have handled it. The way he chose to handle it was completely fine except in the eyes of people who already hate Obama for everything he does.

So you're not really jumping to conclusions. My estimation is that you will watch it and wonder what the hell everyone is so riled up about.

Yes...we all hate Obama...you hit the nail right on the head...

Disillusioned_1 · #73 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

By the way, just who is the Joe Medicine Crow who pre-empted the spotlight of the tragedy at Fort Hood?

Joe Medicine Crow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He wrote historical pieces on the Battle of the Little Bighorn (Custer's last stand).
He served in WWII and is the last member of the Crow Tribe to become a war chief.

I don't see how the deaths of the people at Fort Hood are diminished by Joe Medicine Crow, an american war hero, being honored briefly by the President.

He wrote this about Custer's last stand:
"No one wins [in war]. Both sides lose. The Indians, so called hostiles, won the battle of the day, but lost their way of life."

turnitup5000db · #74 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

I watched it when I read the original post.

There was nothing wrong with the way Obama handled it. Could he have handled it differently? Yes of course there are probably 100 different ways he could have handled it. The way he chose to handle it was completely fine except in the eyes of people who already hate Obama for everything he does.

So you're not really jumping to conclusions. My estimation is that you will watch it and wonder what the hell everyone is so riled up about.

Like I said, the speach was poorly constructed. But yeah, for the most part I agree, this is nothing to get really mad about, any more than Bush's constant mispronunciations.