The President's Bizarre Introductory Remarks - Page 6 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Tim · #76 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

I'm at work, so I'll come right out and say I haven't watched the video. However, I think the issue people are having is that a lot of anti-Obama folks on this board are constantly complaining about how Obama never recognizes the military or doesn't address the nation about hot topic A-Z, etc.

In this situation, he both recognizes the sacrifices of our soldiers and made a timely address to acknowledge the tragedy in Fort Hood. Instead of saying "Well, it's a step in the right direction" or even acknowledging that Obama did what they've been wanting him to do all along, people start complaining that his delivery was off or he didn't "seem" to be into it. Basically, it really does come off as people nitpicking and trying to find anything possible to slam Obama for.

Yes, the left did the same thing for Bush constantly and it was just as ridiculous and annoying then as it is now.

Sure, his transition into this Fort Hood speech may have been awkward or unusual for any number of reasons. But, I think it may not be such an unreasonable request that people listen to what he said and not how he said it or how he transitioned into it. I know if I had a loved one lost in the shootings, I'd find this sort of discussion to be in sort of bad taste, using the president's kind words for the loss of a loved one to make a political jab.

Just my thoughts.

This is one of the very few times I will disagree with you on this sort of issue.

I don't think the majority of posters here are 'slamming' Obama, and the discussion is in fact quite reasonable on both sides.

I don't think is a situation where a 'good try' is enough. This is a failing, and it is fair to acknowlege it. People in positions of leadership have a responsibility to match their response to the event.

In this case, the lapse of taste was not in the posters here.

John Drake · #77 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

This is all utter bullshit. He said one paragraph about the very conference which was the sole reason for his being there in the first place and then spoke at length on the tragedy. If he'd said it afterwards it would have been truly bizarre as it would seem to be trying to minimize the tragedy or even somehow link the two, and you guys would no doubt bash him for that.

But please, don't let Disillusioned and me spoil yet another why and how we all hate Obama even though we say we don't Circle jerk on your part and for any reason, even the tragic death of 12 people.

iamwhatiseem · #78 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by John Drake

This is all utter bullshit. He said one paragraph about the very conference which was the sole reason for his being there in the first place and then spoke at length on the tragedy. If he'd said it afterwards it would have been truly bizarre as it would seem to be trying to minimize the tragedy or even somehow link the two, and you guys would no doubt bash him for that.

But please, don't let Disillusioned and me spoil yet another why and how we all hate Obama even though we say we don't Circle jerk on your part and for any reason, even the tragic death of 12 people.

No as stated above, for the most part the discussion was civil and intelligent...until you two came in and started throwing accusations around about people hating the President.
Absurd.
I can't help it if you cannot recognize that people can voice opposition to something without HATING the person for it.
Here's a nickel...go play somewhere else.

TheLastBoyScout · #79 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Tim

Then it should have been a press conference on the Fort Hood situation. Sorry - on this one, he made a mistake.

That's what I would say was not perfect. If anything, this deserved it's own venue.

Certainly to have a organized a separate press conference amid his other obligations would have met with some delay.

If the immediacy of the presidential message wasn't the top priority, then I think the "staging" of the message could have been better........Though, in a press conference dedicated to Fort Hood, he would really just be acknowledging it like he did. He had no special details to offer, nor would he have been able to answer any questions.

Oh well. Either way, there's complaints. Here, I see very minor ones. I guess this is the complaint of the day. I anxiously await tomorrow's.

Steve · #80 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

By the way, just who is the Joe Medicine Crow who pre-empted the spotlight of the tragedy at Fort Hood?

Joe Medicine Crow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He wrote historical pieces on the Battle of the Little Bighorn (Custer's last stand).
He served in WWII and is the last member of the Crow Tribe to become a war chief.

I don't see how the deaths of the people at Fort Hood are diminished by Joe Medicine Crow, an american war hero, being honored briefly by the President.

He wrote this about Custer's last stand:
"No one wins [in war]. Both sides lose. The Indians, so called hostiles, won the battle of the day, but lost their way of life."

It doesn't matter who he is.

And since when is "honoring" someone accomplished with a "shout out"?

Stupid fucker can't even get that right...

Speakeasy · #81 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

Yea, I still don't get it. Would people be less pissed with this YouTube clip?

YouTube - Pres. Obama Remarks on Ft. Hood Army Base Shootings

TheLastBoyScout · #82 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Steve

It doesn't matter who he is.

And since when is "honoring" someone accomplished with a "shout out"?

Stupid fucker can't even get that right...

The term shout out does remind us that he's black....since he utters it with the ease and comfort that a white person never could.

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shout-out (n.) Slang. A public expression of thanks or gratitude

But really, a shout out is just means "thank you" and when the thank you is mixed with a mention of someone's accomplishments, it implies that the person is to be honored. I don't see any ambiguity.

Steve · #83 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Yea, I still don't get it. Would people be less pissed with this YouTube clip?

YouTube - Pres. Obama Remarks on Ft. Hood Army Base Shootings

The problem isn't the "clip".

The problem is with what the "man" actually said.

The Golden Boy is about as ignorant a CIC as we've ever seen...

Fidei Defensor · #84 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

I know if I had a loved one lost in the shootings, I'd find this sort of discussion to be in sort of bad taste, using the president's kind words for the loss of a loved one to make a political jab.

Hmmm ... No one did that.

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

The term shout out does remind us that he's black....since he utters it with the ease and comfort that a white person never could.

You've never seen me give shout outs.

Redv · #85 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Fidei Defensor

Did anyone see this? Obama led off his address to the nation regarding the Fort Hood shooting with some light banter and a "shout out." Bizarre.

YouTube - Fort Hood Tragedy -- Barack Obama Gives Odd "Shout-Out" Before He Comments on Massacre -- FOX News

Once he got around to speaking about it, he handled it fine ... But otherwise he just doesn't seem to "get" what the situation called for.

There was not one thing wrong with the way President Obama handled the comments he made yesterday about the Fort Hood shootings. He made the necessary remarks to the Native Americans who were expecting him to address their conference. He went on to make appropriate remarks about the incident at Ft. Hood. President Obama is just about perfect as far as I'm concerned.

Steve · #86 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Redv

President Obama is just about perfect as far as I'm concerned.

No shit.

That's why you'll always be blind to anything he fucks up...

Disillusioned_1 · #87 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Redv

President Obama is just about perfect as far as I'm concerned.

This is even worse than the Obama haters.

People need to look at situations rationally. Both the Obama haters and the Obamabots are bad. Politics will remain as screwed up as ever when 1/3rd of the population hates everything the President does, 1/3rd love everything the president does, and only 1/3rd are actually paying attention to what the president does.

Redv · #88 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Steve

No shit.

That's why you'll always be blind to anything he fucks up...

I'll let you know when he fucks up. So far he's doing a great job!

Redv · #89 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

This is even worse than the Obama haters.

People need to look at situations rationally. Both the Obama haters and the Obamabots are bad. Politics will remain as screwed up as ever when 1/3rd of the population hates everything the President does, 1/3rd love everything the president does, and only 1/3rd are actually paying attention to what the president does.

I am looking at this situation rationally and he handled it quite well as he does most situations. I think he is as close to perfection as anyone we are likely to elect to public office. I don't expect anyone to agree with me and that's just fine.

Ernie S. · #90 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

The problem is you are not looking at the situation any more rationally than those that disagree with him on every point without carefully examining the facts. You are every bit as biased for him as any here are against. There is not rationality in a failure to find fault in an obviously flawed person.

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