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Old 12-06-2009
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GEORGE H W OBAMA or BUSH 3.0

A video clip which compares and contrasts words and actions of the current President of the United States, Barack Obama, and two of his predecessors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUittUgUGRk
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Old 12-06-2009
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Re: GEORGE H W OBAMA or BUSH 3.0

Interesting video. So, Obama-philes, are you feeling used yet? If not, what will it take?
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Old 12-06-2009
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Re: GEORGE H W OBAMA or BUSH 3.0

To me - he is no different than your average politician..using catch phrases, making promises and claims they cannot make - this is the stuff politicians are made of.
Difference is - people believed him...categorically believed him.
The question of the year is - why?
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Re: GEORGE H W OBAMA or BUSH 3.0

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To me - he is no different than your average politician..using catch phrases, making promises and claims they cannot make - this is the stuff politicians are made of.
Difference is - people believed him...categorically believed him.
The question of the year is - why?
People believe what they want to believe. Which is not what they should believe.

When you get right down to it, Obama won for three reasons.
1) His name wasn't Clinton.
2) His name wasn't Bush.
3) He wasn't a Republican.
Other then that, He's still the "Same ole,Same ole"
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Old 12-06-2009
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Re: GEORGE H W OBAMA or BUSH 3.0

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Interesting video. So, Obama-philes, are you feeling used yet? If not, what will it take?
There is material to discuss in this video. While Mr. Obama is the main target in this video, he is not the only target in this video.

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People believe what they want to believe. Which is not what they should believe.

When you get right down to it, Obama won for three reasons.
1) His name wasn't Clinton.
2) His name wasn't Bush.
3) He wasn't a Republican.
Other then that, He's still the "Same ole,Same ole"
It goes deeper than "His name wasn't Bush."

Clips used in the video demonstrate that he campaigned as "not Bush." His performance since gaining the White House calls that "not Bush" aspect into question as evidenced in the video.

Your comment regarding "same ole, same ole" is borne out by the video.

There is a section in the video, if anyone caught it, where George Stephanopoulos is interviewing President Obama and questions him regarding the tax issue. Mr. Obama protests when Mr. Stephanopoulos uses the dictionary definition of the word, "tax."

If Mr. Obama meant something other than the lexical definition of "tax" when he made his promise, then Mr. Obama failed to make that clear in either contexual terms or giving his stipulative definition of the word, "tax." The assumption is the lexical definition unless indicated otherwise. Mr. Obama is guilty of equivocating there.
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Re: GEORGE H W OBAMA or BUSH 3.0

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Interesting video. So, Obama-philes, are you feeling used yet? If not, what will it take?
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To me - he is no different than your average politician..using catch phrases, making promises and claims they cannot make - this is the stuff politicians are made of.
Difference is - people believed him...categorically believed him.
The question of the year is - why?
I never for one minute believed most of what he said. All in all I find myself pleasantly surprised at how much he said he would do he has actually tried, but Republicans and their blue dog lackeys have blocked him. My greatest disappointment with him has been just this, that he seems unable to beat his own people into shape.

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People believe what they want to believe. Which is not what they should believe.

When you get right down to it, Obama won for three reasons.
1) His name wasn't Clinton.
2) His name wasn't Bush.
3) He wasn't a Republican.
Other then that, He's still the "Same ole,Same ole"
Reason 3 was good enough for me all by itself. The Republicans have sold us all down the river in the hopes that they'll come out on top. They're still doing so, and they're not even making a secret of it now. How anybody can vote for any of them is beyond me.
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There is a section in the video, if anyone caught it, where George Stephanopoulos is interviewing President Obama and questions him regarding the tax issue. Mr. Obama protests when Mr. Stephanopoulos uses the dictionary definition of the word, "tax."
I actually tend to agree with Obama on this particular point. The individual mandate is not a tax. It's something much worse. A tax uses the force of law to compel you to finance your government. The health insurance mandate uses the force of law to compel us to finance the insurance companies. The fact that the press largely glosses over this boils my blood.

What's going on is an attempt to outsource the socialization of health care. They know it's not politically viable to do through legitimate means, so they're forcing all of us to do it under the auspices of the insurance corporations. The difference is that we, nominally, control the government. We have a say in how they use the taxes we pay. The insurance companies, on the other hand, have an overt and legal incentive to skim as much off the top as they can, and their primary responsibility is the welfare their stockholders, not US citizens.
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A video clip which compares and contrasts words and actions of the current President of the United States, Barack Obama, and two of his predecessors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUittUgUGRk
So people weren't paying attention to their messiah during the election?
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So, what's the point of this thread, exactly? That policians use similar phrases?

Whoopty fucking doo.
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Re: GEORGE H W OBAMA or BUSH 3.0

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Interesting video. So, Obama-philes, are you feeling used yet? If not, what will it take?
Actually I'm wondering why the Obama haters aren't falling all over themselves to be in love with him as bush 3.0.

Obama is certainly speaking different than bush, but to large extent he's implementing the same policies, which simply means the bush loving Obama haters are blind partisans who really don't give a shit about substance and only react to R vs D, regardless of the facts.
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Obama is certainly speaking different than bush, but to large extent he's implementing the same policies, which simply means the bush loving Obama haters are blind partisans who really don't give a shit about substance and only react to R vs D, regardless of the facts.
I can't speak for "bush loving Obama haters", but maybe the point of this thread is to show just how useless it is to only react to R vs D - we're gonna get the same policies, the same lies, regardless.

What about you? Are you content with Obama implementing the same policies? Did you hate Bush for doing the same thing? Or was it different because of R vs D?
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Re: GEORGE H W OBAMA or BUSH 3.0

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I can't speak for "bush loving Obama haters", but maybe the point of this thread is to show just how useless it is to only react to R vs D - we're gonna get the same policies, the same lies, regardless.

What about you? Are you content with Obama implementing the same policies? Did you hate Bush for doing the same thing? Or was it different because of R vs D?
Sure it is, Obama can do anything he wants and his followers praise him for it.
War? hell yeah baby!
Spend? why not?
Tax the fuck out of us, our kids, and the unborn to pay for it all? Hey, it's only money.

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What about you? Are you content with Obama implementing the same policies? Did you hate Bush for doing the same thing? Or was it different because of R vs D?
I didn't vote for either man, and I have posted many times that I detest Obama for is his continuing of the same anti-american unconstitutional things that bush did. (illegal wiretapping, covering up of bush's torture policies, bending the country over in the name of corporate power, etc).

I don't base my dislike of a candidate on the tag by their name, I base it on the policies they support and implement.
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I didn't vote for either man, and I have posted many times that I detest Obama for is his continuing of the same anti-american unconstitutional things that bush did. (illegal wiretapping, covering up of bush's torture policies, bending the country over in the name of corporate power, etc).

I don't base my dislike of a candidate on the tag by their name, I base it on the policies they support and implement.
Obama must have served his followers one huge steamin' mug of STFU on those issues (and more), wouldn't you agree?
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Obama must have served his followers one huge steamin' mug of STFU on those issues (and more), wouldn't you agree?
He must have served the Obama-hating bush supporters one huge steamin' mug of STFU on those issues as well, eh?

Apparently not, based upon the severity of the hatred of the limbaugh/beck crowd.
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