Let's get a serious discussion and debate here:

the following is a list of some of the offenses by King George the III, which is mentioned in the DOI, and the reasons for the DOI.

Any of this going on now? Some of it so apparently identical that it's scary?!

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"...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.

Seriously, I just don't see it...

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then you are blind, and its not just obama, but Bush and Clinton too.

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Obama, Making it Rain Beotch!!

only one i could go with would be the "multitude of new offices" with the czar things.

WharfedaleTiger, I'll use single examples for each so as not to clutter one particular post.

offense: Obama bailout of GM and Chrysler through Executive Branch.

offense: Harry Reid and Senate handling of proposed health care bill. Nancy Pelosi and HR handling of proposed health care bill.

offense: How many closed door meetings leaving out the voices of opposition in Congress.

offense: CZARS, nuff said.

offense: Obama's dealings with Reid, Pelosi and others on proposed health care legislation.

offense: Bailout money, health care money.

offense: Attempting to incorporate SC justices based on their ability to be empathetic.

offense: Paraphrasing Reid [We can't show you what's in the bill, but trust us it will be for your own good.] Attempting to add into proposed HC bill that future Congresses can't repeal this proposed HC legislation. In other words, according to Reid we don't need to know and/or question them, they have declared themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases.


WharfedaleTiger said "Before you can break out of prison, you must first realize you're locked up."

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"...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

It would have been wonderful to see Bush and Obama not using their judgement to save american capitalism. Does America need any american car companies? They only produce crap. By a german car, they wont disappoint you.

I dont think its fair to compare the founding fathers to our times. Most of them were racist that owned slaves like T. Jefferson and G. Washington. Women and soliders couldnt vote. It was a farming society on the verge of the industrial revolution.

Clinton spoke of the information highway, we sold our industrial soul to China and their not even capitalist.

Please stop quoting dead people to makie an argument. Its really silly.

Hmm...

I have to say the only offense that can be confirmed as happening (and partially at that) is erecting a multitude of new offices. The rest of that charge (sending hither swarms of officers..etc.) and the other charges are just not happening.

In regard to people making the contention that certain things are happening "without the people's consent", it just doesn't hold true in the context of the Declaration or the Constitution. Anything that's passed by the congress is done with the American people's implicit consent. We voted for the bums who represent us...... and we are represented. Even if we disagree with our representatives individually or as a majority, they still represent and vote on our behalf. The colonists had no representation, so that is a different thing entirely.

It's interesting to contemplate how the terms and conditions of revolution apply to the Obama administration a la Glenn Beck, but when such comparisons are made they really fall short and the Obama administration tends not to stand out as an exceptional example.

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The world could use more Stan Ovshinsky's

...and it also helps if you actually ARE locked up.

Read the entire Declaration, A main corollary to the objections the FF were making to George III, is that he did all those things and gave the colonists no means of redress. If you really don't like the way things are being done in this country you have the right and mechanisms available to you to try to change that.

I love the way you guys just automatically assume that you're in the majority and everyone agrees with you. Who cares about the results of the most recent elections? Anyone who dissents with conservatism is trying to Overthrow America.

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IT'S ON YOUTUBE, IT MUST BE TRUE

Bush violated the law with his torture policies to apparenly no ill effect. He even has Obama covering his ass on the topic.

Bush did this with the TSA and airport security, homeland security, etc. Obama continues it.

Sounds like Guantanamo.

There's a few similarities, although we supposedly have the right to change this via voting and/or litigation. (I consider laws that prevent people from suing companies and/or the government to be highly unconstitutional as they set up a framework where the citizenry can't pursue grievances).

My street's full of rear wheel drive Beemers that ain't goin' nowhere in this snow and ice...while the front wheel drive Jap and Korean cars are eating up the miles...

You could argue this in that our constitution has been systematically undermined over successive generations, changing us from a capitalist representative republic, to a socialist, mob rule, 2 party dictatorship.

None of that is going on right now.
Zilch, nada, rien, nothing on that list is happening now.

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

The American revolution didn't' start with uniform support, it probably only had about 25% support in the general population with the loyalists having a similar portion. The rest of the population wanted to stay home and live their lives. Just like today, half the population (at best) are the people are who care to vote the other half can't be bothered to do so. It's up to the politically active to drag them along or to totally marginalize them.

Isnt it high time to get a new constitution. This was written and signed by a group of white bigots , slave owning society. Even women and ordinary men were not permitted to vote. How can we orientate our country on a group of men who lived in the pre-industrial revolutionary epoche?

Under Geore Washington we were a neutral nation until 1898 (Spanish American War). How come conseratives dont want to pull out of NATO, if 1776 was so wonderful.

Nope.

You might have noticed that the Constitution has been amended since that time, and the things you are speaking of are no longer true and haven't been for decades.

Completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.