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Just shows who is actually trying to compromise. Bohner held his tounge while Obama attacked the Reps. Obama does not know how to get out of campaign mode.
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HEADLINE: John Boehner says Barack Obama disrespected him during tax-cut extension battle
OVERVIEW: On 60 Minutes last night, John Boehner came out swinging against Obama, saying he didn't appreciate Obama's accusation that he was holding the tax cuts for the middle-class hostage.
LINK: John Boehner says Barack Obama disrespected him during tax-cut extension battle - Vancouver American Politics | Examiner.com
I think that Boehner is able to start accusing Obama now because he doesn't need to negotiate with Obama anymore no the tax breaks extension issue. As for Obama, he is the master when it comes to disrespect: Disrespect of balancing the federal budget, disrespect of the majority of Americans' will, disrespect of state's rights to opt out of his tyrannical healthcare bill, etc.
Citizen
Just shows who is actually trying to compromise. Bohner held his tounge while Obama attacked the Reps. Obama does not know how to get out of campaign mode.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.Originally Posted by jviehe
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Do you live on another planet, or just spend too much time under the house? The Republican party made a collective decision to NOT work with Obama from the start, do what they can to destroy him and take back the White House. ANY success Obama has is bad for the Republicans. They don't give two shits about America or Americans. Cry baby Boehner ordered house Republicans not to vote for the stimulus as President Obama was in the limo on his way down Pennsylvania Avenue to meet with Boehner and the House Republicans to get their ideas.
Senator DeMint made it clear the GOP's intent on health care reform was to parrot the Frank Luntz memo that was designed to destroy reform and to hand Obama his Waterloo. And former Bush speechwriter David Frum was fired by the right wing think tank American Enterprise Institute because he told the truth.
Waterloo | FrumForum
At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.
"I always believed as a speechwriter that if you could persuade the president to commit himself to certain words, he would feel himself committed to the ideas that underlay those words. And the big shock to me has been that although the president said the words, he just did not absorb the ideas. And that is the root of, maybe, everything."
David Frum - Speechwriter for George W. Bush
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
Citizen
Not sure what that has to do with what I said. They reached a compromise and Obama immedatiely began calling Reps terrorists. Bohner didnt say anything.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
They ARE terrorists. The Republicans deserve every ounce of animosity and criticism they get. I'd call for hearings for the treasonous bastards.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
:rolleyes:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
And while expressing an interest in "common ground," Boehner refused to entertain the idea of compromise. "I reject the word," he said.
60 Minutes
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
Moderator
Oh, you are going to be FUN!
Oh, you are going to be FUN!
Moderator
23 posts in and you want to start with the name calling... how cute.
Yeah, I'd be pissed off too if I had to 'live' where you are living.
Citizen
Well, I think youre being a bit dramatic, but I actually agree with your general idea that there cant and shouldnt be a compromise. Liberals do not want to follow the rules or recognize individual rights, so I see no reason to live with them anymore. Break up the union and lets go our seperate ways.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Yea, I hate it every time I look out the window of my summer home on a clear day and see that damn Toronto skyline across Lake Ontario, visit Niagara Falls, jump on the bike and head over to the beautiful country of Canada, head east on Rt 18 to the Thousand Islands or pack up the family and drive 45 minutes to Ellicottville to go snow skiing.
I've read some of your posts, so far I'm very underwhelmed.
But hey, you're more that welcome to defend conservatism, but I have yet to meet anyone who can do it without diminishing others or requiring some group of human beings to evaporate. It is a negative form of thought that is incompatible with a free and open society. It is anti-democratic in nature and builds nothing, it can only tear things down. The last 30 years are a shining example of conservatism.
Conservatism throughout human history has always created an aristocracy, plutocracy, or some form of oppressive society where there is a ruling class or hierarchy. Today's aristocrats and hierarchy are the CEO's, corporations, free marketeers, and the business elite. Conservatives will defend to the death McDonalds right to slowly poison our children, but they never defend our children's health and well being.
I've lived to see the total failure of two revolutions of extreme ideology. The Bolshevik revolution and the Reagan revolution. Unfettered communism and unfettered capitalism creates the same end...failure.
Conservatism has no investment in human capital. It believes everyone is basically evil, so it treats people accordingly and it always creates a fear of 'others', some group of people that must be excluded or ostracized. Liberalism is faith in human beings and a trust that the human spirit can solve all man-made problems. Liberalism is a belief that everyone has good inside them, all they need a fair opportunity to succeed.
So you are more than welcome to defend conservatism. In the words of your despot hero...'Bring it on'
Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
Legend of USPO!
Interesting post, particularly this bit:
"It believes everyone is basically evil, so it treats people accordingly and it always creates a fear of 'others', some group of people that must be excluded or ostracized."
Isn't this what your entire post is comprised of - your fear of "conservatives" and your contention that they must be excluded or ostracized?
Matt
“Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.” - Jon Stewart
Secretary of State
Are you serious, the Republicans gave many ideas to Obamacare that he rejected and did not include one of them. In his arrogance he said you lost we won. Further why would anyone vote for bad policy. You speak of the trillion dollar stimulus that was a complete failure. Obama as added 3 trillion to the national debt in just two years.
President
Oh, cry baby Boehner.
He's so lucky to be working with a President who compromises on his own principles and promises to the degree that Republicans don't ever need to compromise, the Democrats do it for them by negotiating against their own positions.
Can somebody detail what exactly the Republicans compromised on this tax bill? The estate tax was going to go back to it's original pre-Bush level of 55% on the estates in the top bracket, while it looked like a compromise was going to be set at 45%, but in the deal the GOP made with the President, it's now going to be 35%.
Republicans got everything they wanted, while the liberal base is fit to be tied.
Go back to childhood, dear readers, and you can remember when a deal was fair between kids, because both sides would go off and be relatively happy but with reservation because they had to give something up. Boys and trading cards is the best example. You'd make a trade, you'd exchange the cards, and everybody would chime in after and we'd all know if it was a close deal or if it wasn't, and when it wasn't, it would always work out the same way this deal worked out, as Republicans got really happy and upbeat all of a sudden while Democrats just sank.
Republicans haven't given up a thing while the pussy Democrats negotiated away their entire position, which is to actually cut taxes on the middle to working poor, invest heavily in direct job creation, and to let expire the tax cuts on the top two brackets but with a few compromises thrown the way of the wealthy that is better than total repeal of everything on them. The Dems are about to pass this thing and it is clear that they've been the ones who've caved on everything, leaving us with a tax bill that rewards the failed theory of trickle-down economics, it creates no new jobs, and it is paid for by borrowing nearly another trillion in communist cash. That's apparently good enough for Republicans.
Meanwhile, has anybody heard of where Teabaggers other than DeMint are on increasing the deficit, or is it back to Cheney's "deficits don't matter" thing? Somebody'll have to inform me on that one.
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