Thread: Obama Tries Hatred To Win In 2012

What we are seeing today is the result of decades of progressive movement from an ownership society to an entitlement society. As government "support" continues to increase the sense of responsibility associated with "owning" ones failures - both personal and business - tends to wane. We have come to a point where much of the society feels entitled to success but also feels that they bear little or no responsibility for failure. If, for example, you fail to save for your retirement the government is there to alleviate much of the pain associated with that failure but when the prospect of benefits getting decreased comes up it is suddenly perceived as the fault of "the wealthy" that they are not willing to provide that benefit. The kids in the park are another example. They are throwing what amounts to a temper tantrum because they don't feel like they are getting enough handouts.

They say that "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall". Congratulations you proud purveyors of safety, equality and "social justice". Keep patting yourselves on the back for a job well done.

The accusation in the OP would be credible if he actually provided quotes of Obama blaming others.

Until then, it's just conjecture and spin.

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

The accusation in the OP would be credible if he actually provided quotes of Obama blaming others.

Until then, it's just conjecture and spin.

Then you clearly have not been listening:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_793123.html

Thanks for the link, I read it and didn't see any blame.

Unless you think this is blame:

"Obama said the nation would "have to borrow the $700 billion" -- the estimated cost of the cuts over 10 years -- "from China or the Saudis or whoever is buying our debt, and then we'd pass off on average [a] $100,000 check to people who are making a million dollars, up to more than a billion dollars."

So the nation goes into more debt to ease the tax burden on people who don't need it. That really makes no sense, unless you actually earn a million or more in taxable income and you have a vested, short term self interest over the long term fiscal health of the nation.

And I really doubt any of you earn over a million a year. Maybe there is one here. To the point, it's certainly not the majority of the Republican party, so why Republicans are selling out the fiscal health of the nation in favor of a very small percentage of people in this country is beyond me.


Also, do Republicans, who seem to despise the 47% who pay no taxes, do they realize that the reason there is 47% who pay no federal income taxes is because of the Bush Tax cuts. It shifted the tax burden to the higher incomes. Think about it.

And instead of growing the economy, like supply-side economic theory proposes, the Bush Tax cuts preceded a huge recession. I am not saying the Bush Tax cuts caused the recession, but they certainly didn't sustain long term economic growth and grow us out of debt. We have a recession and the debt only got bigger.

The right has decided that Obama blames everyone, and they sure aren't going to let facts get in the way of what they feel is a winning strategy. Any attempt by the president to explain the reasoning behind a presidential decision is going to be decried as lack of responsibility. Saying "because x happened we must now do y" is not blaming x. At this point Obama could say "since it's raining I am going to use my umbrella" and the posters here would go apeshit about obama "playing the blame game....

^^Pretty much. It's a just another talking point. You can always tell when you visit different forums, and different people are saying the same thing. "That Obama, he is just blaming everyone else for his failures!" How many times are we gonna hear the same thing repeated over and over. Kiind of like how they all say "They just rammed Obamacare down our throats! "

What's funny is when one says to the other, "Gee whiz, I was thinking the same thing," as if they had an original thought all on their own and it's just a coincidence somebody else had the same thought. lol....

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

^^Pretty much. It's a just another talking point. You can always tell when you visit different forums, and different people are saying the same thing. "That Obama, he is just blaming everyone else for his failures!" How many times are we gonna hear the same thing repeated over and over. Kiind of like how they all say "They just rammed Obamacare down our throats! "

What's funny is when one says to the other, "Gee whiz, I was thinking the same thing," as if they had an original thought all on their own and it's just a coincidence somebody else had the same thought. lol....

Well they did ram Obamacare down our throats. They passed something even the speaker said she hadn't read which I believe 31 states are suing the government over.

^^Our elected congressman passed Health Care Reform by a democratic majority.

You have to respect the democratic process even when it does not go your way.

You only consider it to be rammed down your throat because you don't like it.

The other claim is it is a bill nobody read, I suspect you and everyone who says that is projecting and speaking for themselves.

I actually did read a good summary of the bill.

I have yet to hear any arguments from the opposition that address the key points and articulate why they are opposed to it.

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

^^Our elected congressman passed Health Care Reform by a democratic majority.

You have to respect the democratic process even when it does not go your way.

You only consider it to be rammed down your throat because you don't like it.

The other claim is it is a bill nobody read, I suspect you and everyone who says that is projecting and speaking for themselves.

I actually did read a good summary of the bill.

I have yet to hear any arguments from the opposition that address the key points and articulate why they are opposed to it.

Breitbart.tv » Nancy Pelosi: We Need to Pass Health Care Bill to Find Out What’s In It BTW that's the speaker of the house telling you they have to pass it so you can find out what's in it. They rammed it through before people could examine it and determine just how large a pile of stinking garbage the bill is.

And a chunk of it they just admitted (see Health Care forum) that they're dropping because it's unworkable.

Key point in the garbage that's left - Mandatory contribution. The government isn't going to mandate to me I buy a new car, or health insurance.

If I choose to do so, I choose to do so, if I do not, I accept the consequences of that act.

Originally Posted by lutherf

What we are seeing today is the result of decades of progressive movement from an ownership society to an entitlement society. As government "support" continues to increase the sense of responsibility associated with "owning" ones failures - both personal and business - tends to wane. We have come to a point where much of the society feels entitled to success but also feels that they bear little or no responsibility for failure. If, for example, you fail to save for your retirement the government is there to alleviate much of the pain associated with that failure but when the prospect of benefits getting decreased comes up it is suddenly perceived as the fault of "the wealthy" that they are not willing to provide that benefit. The kids in the park are another example. They are throwing what amounts to a temper tantrum because they don't feel like they are getting enough handouts.

They say that "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall". Congratulations you proud purveyors of safety, equality and "social justice". Keep patting yourselves on the back for a job well done.

No, what one sees today is the results of conservative coming back into power and influence, the pro business anti regulation crowd that have allowed our manufacturing that produces consumner goods for our consumption based economy, be offshored to communists in order to benefit profits and personal wealth of the few at the top. This causes social safety nets to be strained and tax revenues reduced.

And when no one can turn this flawed economic model around, you blame Obama. Let's blame the pro business anti regulation crowd, so we blame the right folks here.

A consumption based economy does not work for the average Joe when those goods are made offshore and then allowed to be sold back here. It is basic common sense. That even the village idiot has no trouble grasping.

Originally Posted by 9aces

Key point in the garbage that's left - Mandatory contribution. The government isn't going to mandate to me I buy a new car, or health insurance.

If I choose to do so, I choose to do so, if I do not, I accept the consequences of that act.

So you currently go without health insurance?

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

So you currently go without health insurance?

No, I have it, and I choose which coverages I pay for. If I chose to not have it and get sick, I choose the consequences of not being cared for by a physician if I can't pay them.

However I have gone without it at times through my life, and did so from my choice, and when I had to go to the doctor, I paid the bill.

My life, my choice.

^^That's great. I agree with you.

Now what do you think about all those uninsured people who go to the ER. They have to be treated by law, whether or not they can pay for it, which we know many don't.

And you and I, the tax payer, pick up the tab.

What do you think about those people? Do you think it's fair to everyone else, that some people don't cover themselves and the rest of us pay for it?