Thread: Obama's new scapegoat - the Founding Fathers

Well... that explains this then

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Glad you cleared that up Matt... for us all.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

I thought Obama was a Constitutional scholar. Has he discovered some new information about the system that he didn't previously learn as a constitutional law professor?

Or is this yet another blame game from the President?

Or maybe he means what he said, and not what you'd like to believe he meant

"What's frustrated people is that I have not be able to force Congress to implement every aspect of what I said in 2008,that's just the nature of being president. It turns out that our founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes."

I'm not seeing that as scapegoating the founding fathers, it's pretty much a 5th grade understanding of checks and balances.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

I thought Obama was a Constitutional scholar. Has he discovered some new information about the system that he didn't previously learn as a constitutional law professor?

Or is this yet another blame game from the President?

Or is this yet another preposterous attempt to depict Obama as one who blames others and refuses to take responsibility for his acts, because it is thought to be a winning strategy and hurtful to the president if repeated often enough.
Talk about trying to shoe horn facts that don't fit into an argument

Originally Posted by rocheteau

Or is this yet another preposterous attempt to depict Obama as one who blames others and refuses to take responsibility for his acts, because it is thought to be a winning strategy and hurtful to the president if repeated often enough.
Talk about trying to shoe horn facts that don't fit into an argument

Think about his statement on the Constitution being a document of Negative Liberties. Sorry being lazy so I am not looking up the exact quote.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

I thought Obama was a Constitutional scholar. Has he discovered some new information about the system that he didn't previously learn as a constitutional law professor?

Or is this yet another blame game from the President?

Yeah, he told the truth. But if a voter isn't smart enough to know that, that is, if he never learned of how gov't works, that might explain why so many americans have voted against their own self interest since 1980.

Obama was just telling the idiots how things work, as he figures many folks are just clueless.

If a man is worth is salt, and is worthy of holding that high office, he should have visions, ideas, and things he wants to achieve whilel in office. This used to be easier perhaps before the polarization became so much worse.

Frankly I am surprised he was able to do anything he promised, given that the official repub party line has been to do anything it takes to keep this democrat a one termer. If the Pubs win in 12, and the dems follow the repubs lead, they may announce their only goal is to keep, say, Romney to one term. But, I don't believe the Dems would stoop that low.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

"What's frustrated people is that I have not be able to force Congress to implement every aspect of what I said in 2008,that's just the nature of being president. It turns out that our founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes."

I'm not seeing that as scapegoating the founding fathers, it's pretty much a 5th grade understanding of checks and balances.

Which our current president seemingly lacks... like is this a surprise? Should that statement end in a 'who knew?'

Or really is this meant to explain these things to folks like Danny and goober who expected so much more from their Lord and Master and Obama is trying to weasel his way out. Like: "vote for me again even if I didn't do what I said I would."

Originally Posted by MattInFla

I thought Obama was a Constitutional scholar. Has he discovered some new information about the system that he didn't previously learn as a constitutional law professor?

Or is this yet another blame game from the President?

He can join the crowd of those looking for easy change. Smells of a little blame game/excuse, yet he pretends he would have attempted to force more on Congress. Sucks when the 3 branches share power and you can't bully everything you want in a week.

"It turns out that our founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes."

They designed the system so Mr. Obama was only 3/5ths of a person, so yea, I'd say he's onto something.

Originally Posted by Wlessard

Think about his statement on the Constitution being a document of Negative Liberties. Sorry being lazy so I am not looking up the exact quote.

"If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement, and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples, so that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order, and as long as I could pay for it, I’d be OK."

"But," Obama said, "The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, as least as it’s been interpreted, and Warren Court interpreted in the same way that, generally, the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties, says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted."

Here you go.
So you are both lazy and have brought in a completely irelevant point to this discussion. Thanks for your participation.
The Obama quote by MattInFla is roughly equivalent to Bush's "things would be easier if this were a dictatorship, as long as I got to be the dictator'" the people on the right trying to 'get'Obama for his stating of the checks and balances in our constitution are about as stupid as the poeple on the left who accused Bush of wanting to stage a coup based on that statement.
I am angry that you made me do the work that you were too damn lazy to look up. Had in been even remotely relevant I would have given it a pass.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

I thought Obama was a Constitutional scholar. Has he discovered some new information about the system that he didn't previously learn as a constitutional law professor?

Or is this yet another blame game from the President?

Obongo is an agent of Capitalists like Goldman Sachs and the Chase manhattan Gang.

Capitalists hate the US Constitution and have been at war with it since America's founding.

But gained control in 1913 with the Fed Reserve Act.

Read what Jefferson, Paine, Jackson and Lincoln said about the Bankers.


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Originally Posted by JDJarvis

"What's frustrated people is that I have not be able to force Congress to implement every aspect of what I said in 2008,that's just the nature of being president. It turns out that our founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes."

I'm not seeing that as scapegoating the founding fathers, it's pretty much a 5th grade understanding of checks and balances.

And he lacked this "5th grade understanding" in 2008?

Matt

Obama's new scapegoat - the Founding Fathers

In a TODAY exclusive, Matt Lauer asked Obama about his supporters' disappointment over his first-term performance — that they believe he hasn't been "the transformational political figure they hoped you would be."
"What's frustrated people is that I have not be able to force Congress to implement every aspect of what I said in 2008," he said.
"That's just the nature of being president," he said. "It turns out that our founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes."

Obama on presidency:



I thought Obama was a Constitutional scholar. Has he discovered some new information about the system that he didn't previously learn as a constitutional law professor?

Or is this yet another blame game from the President?

You are absolutely right, it is another blame game. The key words are "it turns out" what, he did not know that? Sure he did, so he's just throwing more blame, no different than he blamed the bad weather in Japan for our troubles.