Thread: Obama And Judicial Review

Originally Posted by Sadanie

I don't think Obama "insult" the higher court in the land, I believe he actually showed his confidence in their integrity as jurist, rather than political tool.
In the other hand, MANY people, including high level politicians and EVEN some jurists on that "highest court in the land" have not hesitated to insult President Obama in more than one occasion. . .Isn't he the HIGHEST Executive power in the land? That's whom he "think he is". . .because HE IS!

He isn't the supreme ruler he wishes he was. He insulted the court, made the statement he believed they did not have the authority to do exactly what the constitution very clearly spells out they do.

Originally Posted by Oreo

You didn't even watch the video-- "showed his confidence in their integrity"--he just insulted their integrity on NATIONAL T.V..

Personally--I hope the Supreme court takes his Obamacare--and shoves it up his arse--and does it on National T.V. when it happens. They'll get a nationwide standing ovation if they would do that.

There are 3 branches of government--the executive--the legislative--and the judiciary--all separate from one another--and they should not be insulted by our dictator and chief--simply because he disagrees with one of their decisions. FURTHERMORE--you tell me which one of the U.S. Supreme Court justice's has publicly insulted Barack Obama? And I want a link to that to.

But it's okay for the judicial and the legislative to insult the executive, right?

What a joke!

Originally Posted by Sadanie

But it's okay for the judicial and the legislative to insult the executive, right?

What a joke!

Now this is the second time I have asked for a link to your claim that one of the U.S. Supreme court justices insulted Obama publicly? No link--your claim is B.S. What you're trying to do is to defend the indefensible--and it's not working.

Originally Posted by Minnekahta

Believe me when I tell you that Social Security payroll taxes are an individual mandate. Just try and get out of paying them. And try not to be such a tedious anal boring sonofabitch. Pardon my French.

Your French is pardoned.

But, while I understand that you consider it tedious, the distinction between the individual mandate (which requires people to purchase health insurance coverage directly or else they pay a penalty) and taxation (which requires people to give money to the government) is at the heart of the debate about the Constitutionality (or lack thereof) of the Affordable Care Act.

If you do not grasp this, then there is no point in continuing to discuss this particular topic.

Congress' power to tax and spend is near absolute. Congress' power to regulate commerce, while very broad, is not nearly as absolute. FDR's NRA, for example, was struck down 9-0 in 1935 and it was the last attempt to regulate a large portion of the economy in one fell swoop. So there is precedent to strike the ACA down.

Originally Posted by Minnekahta

Believe me when I tell you that Social Security payroll taxes are an individual mandate. Just try and get out of paying them. And try not to be such a tedious anal boring sonofabitch. Pardon my French.

Pretty easy to get out of paying them. Be a 1099 Contractor or a sole proprietor or anything else in which you are not on a payroll.

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

Pretty easy to get out of paying them. Be a 1099 Contractor or a sole proprietor or anything else in which you are not on a payroll.

You still have to pay taxes.

Originally Posted by Sadanie

But it's okay for the judicial and the legislative to insult the executive, right?

What a joke!

In bold, please site where this has happened?

The Legislator and the executive go back and forth all the time, as they legislate and the executive signs the new laws.

Originally Posted by AdamKadmon

Your French is pardoned.

But, while I understand that you consider it tedious, the distinction between the individual mandate (which requires people to purchase health insurance coverage directly or else they pay a penalty) and taxation (which requires people to give money to the government) is at the heart of the debate about the Constitutionality (or lack thereof) of the Affordable Care Act.

If you do not grasp this, then there is no point in continuing to discuss this particular topic.

Then you can grasp that it is due to the shear incompetence of the way the bill was crafted and the ACA funded, that it will be struck down by the court. This is why I said many many posts ago that if I made a national health care plan it would be funded by a variety of taxes. I think it is you that is not grasping this topic. Please try and keep up.

Originally Posted by Minnekahta

Like I said, it's in the plan and the implementation. But the result is essentially the same.

Why is it so hard to understand, with Obamacare because you are born in the US you have to buy a product. This has never been done before in our history. All this crap you on the left wish to compare Obamacare to is total nonsense. If you don't work you don't pay into SS, if you don't work you don't pay into Medicare. However as a condition of employment you may be required to provide your own tools of the trade, and if you decide to drive a car you have to get a license. If you want to start a business you have to get a license. If you don't make any money you don't pay taxes. The point is, if you do not want to participate in commerce you don't have to. With Obamacare you are forced to buy a product just because you are born here. Of course I understand you having a problem understanding the difference.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Why is it so hard to understand, with Obamacare because you are born in the US you have to buy a product. This has never been done before in our history. All this crap you on the left wish to compare Obamacare to is total nonsense. If you don't work you don't pay into SS, if you don't work you don't pay into Medicare. However as a condition of employment you may be required to provide your own tools of the trade, and if you decide to drive a car you have to get a license. If you want to start a business you have to get a license. If you don't make any money you don't pay taxes. The point is, if you do not want to participate in commerce you don't have to. With Obamacare you are forced to buy a product just because you are born here. Of course I understand you having a problem understanding the difference.

Jesus H bro, I'm one of the guy trying to get it repealed for those very same reasons. That's not to say we can't come up with a health care reform that's a lot better.

Originally Posted by wooyarn

You still have to pay taxes.

Never said you didnt, but it does get you out of SS payroll deduction.

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

Never said you didnt, but it does get you out of SS payroll deduction.

See Line 56

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sse.pdf