Thread: Who is more successful in your opinion? Romney or Obama?

Originally Posted by Oreo

Oh I forgot--Obama hasn't made it too his second term yet--so probably not a good topic to discuss right now--LOL SO wtf is your point?

What do you mean what is my point by the way? You're quoting yourself, beating the living daylights out of your own false analogy, and strawman argument.

(Assuming of course that a one term President never ever gets compared to a 2 term President but let's just go with that for now seeing as its the best we can hope for in this discussion).

Originally Posted by Chloe

Hey i didn't bring the dead into this, you did.

Okay so you want to compare Obama and Romney...go for it:

Tell me Oreo, who made a better President, Obama or Romney?

Who was the better Senator, Obama or Romney?

Who was the better Governor, Obama or Romney?

Who was the better Community fundraiser? Obama or Romney?

Who was the better capitalist who ran million dollar companies? Obama or Romney?

Who was the better Harvard law grad? Obama or Romney?

Eventually, this is going to get through to you...

What are you taking? Holy crap--the title of this "thread" is who is more successful--Obama or ROMNEY. And you sit back and say well since Romney isn't President YET--Barack Obama is more successful. Then you ran off into the woods--making the claim that since Obama won his 1st primary and the Presidency--and Romney didn't that somehow makes Barack Obama "cough--cough" more successful.

I think the Opt of this post--as liberal as he is--wanted a little more open discussion based on the life experiences of the candidates--along with the real successe's in their lives--instead of this tunnel vision view of a FREAKIN primary win or loss. Because hands down--Barack Obama does not have the experience that Mitt Romney does--nor will he ever. 2 years here--2 years there--1-1/2 years here--while all the time running for a higher offices DOES NOT SPELL experience nor success. Crap they even handed him a Pulitzer Peace prize--that he didn't deserve--if you remember--LOL. And what's worse--he accepted it.

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Do you refer to this Pulitzer Peace prize as a success of Barack Obama's?

Originally Posted by Oreo

What are you taking? Holy crap--the title of this "thread" is who is more successful--Obama or ROMNEY. And you sit back and say well since Romney isn't President YET--Barack Obama is more successful.

In the specific context of the position they both ran for in 2008. I.e. Obama was far better in getting elected to the position they ran for, which almost every single conservative in this thread in conceding, other than you.

Then you ran off into the woods--making the claim that since Obama won his 1st primary and the Presidency--and Romney didn't that somehow makes Barack Obama "cough--cough" more successful.

No i said that comparing achievements was impossible given that Romney never made it to President. All the failures you list of Obama's are based on his time in the WH. Romney never got there to start with so you can't really compare is, my point. (Sorry, i really have to dumb this down some by this point, so it doesn't get lost in translation).

I think the Opt of this post--as liberal as he is--wanted a little more open discussion based on the life experiences of the candidates--along with the real successe's in their lives--instead of this tunnel vision view of a FREAKIN primary win or loss. Because hands down--Barack Obama does not have the experience that Mitt Romney does--nor will he ever. 2 years here--2 years there--1-1/2 years here--while all the time running for a higher offices DOES NOT SPELL experience nor success. Crap they even handed him a Pulitzer Peace prize--that he didn't deserve--if you remember--LOL. And what's worse--he accepted it.

Really? Again, right now, one of them is President and one is a bit part has been Governor...he ran a lot too by the way. Like in 94, 08 and and even now. Just those other times, he kept losing. Again, he can't even run for office as well as Obama.

But all that is annoying...let's look at the here and now.

If historians were to write a book on success, one of them would get a whole group of historians doing it, because he is President. The other guy would have a lot of people scratching their head saying "who?". You can keep coming back to the first primary stuff if you want, but at the end of the day one was still successful enough to be President, the other one isn't and may never be.

I might suggest having served my country, having worked in factories, lots of different jobs, that I am more successful then either candidate. Raised a family ... my greatest accomplishment and was blessed by God's love.

I've seen men sell their family or friends, or community for gain ... disgusting to watch. They were happy though ... I think? ... boastful even ... proud (gag).

One mans success ... would be another man's shame.

It's like the movie "I know what you did last Summer" ... I know what you did to be successful ... and you wouldn't want it on film. It's not getting there ... it's how you get there ... "Top o the World ma".

Originally Posted by Oreo

What are you taking? Holy crap--the title of this "thread" is who is more successful--Obama or ROMNEY. And you sit back and say well since Romney isn't President YET--Barack Obama is more successful. Then you ran off into the woods--making the claim that since Obama won his 1st primary and the Presidency--and Romney didn't that somehow makes Barack Obama "cough--cough" more successful.

I think the Opt of this post--as liberal as he is--wanted a little more open discussion based on the life experiences of the candidates--along with the real successe's in their lives--instead of this tunnel vision view of a FREAKIN primary win or loss. Because hands down--Barack Obama does not have the experience that Mitt Romney does--nor will he ever. 2 years here--2 years there--1-1/2 years here--while all the time running for a higher offices DOES NOT SPELL experience nor success. Crap they even handed him a Pulitzer Peace prize--that he didn't deserve--if you remember--LOL. And what's worse--he accepted it.

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Do you refer to this Pulitzer Peace prize as a success of Barack Obama's?

Who is more successful.
Success is something that happened, both men have all sorts of potential, but to date, Obama has been successful in his bid for the White House, where Romney has failed in his bid for the White House.
So far, Obama has been more successful.

Last I checked, popularity contests were not an indicator of success or failure. When Obama saves a company with his own money I'll be more impressed.

Originally Posted by adaher

Last I checked, popularity contests were not an indicator of success or failure. When Obama saves a company with his own money I'll be more impressed.

Exactly. I think most people respect success in business over getting elected. So Romney wins this pointless debate.

Also, people act like being charismatic is something you work on. I can assure you that many people are born with an incredible skill of BSing people and rely on that skill to the exclusion of actually learning anything their whole lives. Obama just found the ultimate scam, talk people into electing him President.

Originally Posted by adaher

Also, people act like being charismatic is something you work on. I can assure you that many people are born with an incredible skill of BSing people and rely on that skill to the exclusion of actually learning anything their whole lives. Obama just found the ultimate scam, talk people into electing him President.

And so far hes going to be regarded as at best a placeholder President, known for his race over his policies. Whether thats his fault or not. So while hes achieved the position, I wouldnt call him succesful at it yet.

Originally Posted by jviehe

And so far hes going to be regarded as at best a placeholder President, known for his race over his policies. Whether thats his fault or not. So while hes achieved the position, I wouldnt call him succesful at it yet.

Yep, Clinton and GW blew up the bubble they created and Obama IS the placeholder.
I guess that makes the letter R better next to a president's name.

Originally Posted by jviehe

And so far hes going to be regarded as at best a placeholder President, known for his race over his policies. Whether thats his fault or not. So while hes achieved the position, I wouldnt call him succesful at it yet.

I wouldn’t either. What mystifies me though is why anyone would’ve expected him to be successful at it. He had no business or executive experience and he hadn’t even been in politics all that long.

Obama’s training and skills were geared toward academia and he worked a little as a lawyer and community organizer. Then he wrote a couple of books [some say he just wrote one of them], road the Chicago machine into the US Senate and presto---Presidential material.

Lesson learned, hopefully.

And Romney is currently being trained to understand that not everyone has 200 million in an offshore account.
Once again, we are saddled with two "messiahs" from which to select.
What a joke!