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  • Avenging Idlib

    U.S. strikes Syrian military airfield in first direct assault on Bashar al-Assads government

    By Dan Lamothe, Missy Ryan and Thomas Gibbons-Neff April 6 at 9:21 PM
    The U.S. military launched approximately 50 cruise missiles at a Syrian military airfield late on Thursday, in the first direct American assault on the government of President Bashar al-Assad since that countrys civil war began six years ago.

    The operation, which the Trump administration authorized in retaliation for a chemical attack killing scores of civilians this week, dramatically expands U.S. military involvement in Syria and exposes the United States to heightened risk of direct confrontation with Russia and Iran, both backing Assad in his attempt to crush his opposition.

    The attack may put hundreds of American troops now stationed in Syria in greater danger. They are advising local forces in advance of a major assault on the Syrian city of Raqqa, the Islamic States de facto capital.

    The decision to strike follows 48 hours of intense deliberations by U.S. officials, and represents a significant break with the previous administrations reluctance to wade militarily into the Syrian civil war and shift any focus from the campaign against the Islamic State.

    Senior White House officials met on the issue of Syria Wednesday evening in a session that lasted into early Thursday, and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, have communicated repeatedly since Tuesdays chemical attack, the officials said.
    Ultimately the ordinance tonight will be less impactful than the message sent. We are not afraid of the Russians, the Iranians, or Assad. Assad and the Ayatollahs maybe beyond reason, but there is no need for more Russians to die for those monsters.
    Last edited by Commodore; 04-06-2017, 06:48 PM.

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    So now the chickenhawks are beating their chests and praising decisive action against the moral outrage that harmed people they had refused to aid in the past. Children can drown in the sea, freeze on mountainsides, die of hunger, be riddled with bullets, set aflame, crushed in buildings or be ripped apart by bombs but gassing them demands action?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
      So now the chickenhawks are beating their chests and praising decisive action against the moral outrage that harmed people they had refused to aid in the past. Children can drown in the sea, freeze on mountainsides, die of hunger, be riddled with bullets, set aflame, crushed in buildings or be ripped apart by bombs but gassing them demands action?
      This sort of thing is long overdue. Should the right thing not be done now just because the previous dingbat didn't have the stones to do so?

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      • #4
        The previous dingbat didn"t bomb enough people for you? How many should the current dingbat bomb?

        This was not a matter of national security.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
          The previous dingbat didn"t bomb enough people for you? How many should the current dingbat bomb?

          This was not a matter of national security.
          No serious analysis of the region would conclude that what is going on over there does not have a detrimental effect on us.

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          • #6
            "Over there"....most Americans on the street couln't even mark the location of Syria on an outilne map of the world. Assad has not attacked us or people we treat as allies. Our interventions have created a political situation wherein we are doubly if not tripley screwed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
              "Over there"....most Americans on the street couldn't even mark the location of Syria on an outline map of the world. Assad has not attacked us or people we treat as allies. Our interventions have created a political situation wherein we are doubly if not triply screwed.
              And that's why we have professionals to do a serious analysis of these things instead of waiting for Joe Sixpack to find a threat on the map. If we did that, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen instead of My Country Tis of Thee. The fact of the matter is that enough Americans have been killed on American soil by people inspired by the mess Assad has created that we have a just cause to clean it up, with or without this weeks incident.
              Last edited by Commodore; 04-06-2017, 09:26 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                  "Over there"....most Americans on the street couln't even mark the location of Syria on an outilne map of the world. Assad has not attacked us or people we treat as allies. Our interventions have created a political situation wherein we are doubly if not tripley screwed.
                  Have you happened to view some of the videos floating around online showing people - adults, children, all kinds of people - dead or dying, gasping pointlessly for life after being pointlessly murdered by nerve agents and whatever other nice chemicals were available to these nuts ?

                  These events aren't so "far removed" from us in this new age of technology. We can witness up close and personal what they look like - we just can't touch and smell them.

                  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/0...062828940.html

                  None are pleased about any of this you can be sure.

                  http://news.sky.com/story/syrian-fat...ttack-10826352

                  Was it an option to let this happen and allow the world to see it and see that NO ONE cared enough to do anything about it ?

                  Do you honestly imagine the United States wouldn't pay a high price for sitting on its hands and essentially saying: "Sorry, horrible stuff but not our problem." ??

                  We don't want to be "the worlds policeman" but my God, should we do nothing if another Adolph Hitler steps forward and starts slaughtering masses ?

                  Liberals would jump on and criticize our current president no matter what he did or didn't do in this situation, surely you can see this at least ?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                    We don't want to be "the worlds policeman" but my God...
                    The question is not "Do we want to be "the worlds policemen"?". It's "Do we want the Russians or the Chinese to be the worlds policemen?"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                      The question is not "Do we want to be "the worlds policemen"?". It's "Do we want the Russians or the Chinese to be the worlds policemen?"
                      It goes back to what I mentioned. That;

                      These events aren't so "far removed" from us in this new age of technology. We can witness up close and personal what they look like - we just can't touch and smell them.

                      The Chinese would make sure no one was able to see these and the Russians, maybe the same or worse.

                      Probably fair to say we don't want them to be in charge of anything concerning human rights & war crimes etc. - Just my wild guess.

                      Would any of us honestly believe either of them might step in to stop such things ? Does their record show they would ?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                        And that's why we have professionals to do a serious analysis of these things instead of waiting for Joe Sixpack to find a threat on the map. If we did that, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen instead of My Country Tis of Thee. The fact of the matter is that enough Americans have been killed on American soil by people inspired by the mess Assad has created that we have a just cause to clean it up, with or without this weeks incident.
                        You seriously believe America has been attacked because of Assad ? It couldn't possibly have anyhing to do with the U.S invading and causing chaos in at least several countries in the past 20 years?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                          Have you happened to view some of the videos floating around online showing people - adults, children, all kinds of people - dead or dying, gasping pointlessly for life after being pointlessly murdered by nerve agents and whatever other nice chemicals were available to these nuts ?

                          These events aren't so "far removed" from us in this new age of technology. We can witness up close and personal what they look like - we just can't touch and smell them.

                          http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/0...062828940.html

                          None are pleased about any of this you can be sure.

                          http://news.sky.com/story/syrian-fat...ttack-10826352

                          Was it an option to let this happen and allow the world to see it and see that NO ONE cared enough to do anything about it ?

                          Do you honestly imagine the United States wouldn't pay a high price for sitting on its hands and essentially saying: "Sorry, horrible stuff but not our problem." ??

                          We don't want to be "the worlds policeman" but my God, should we do nothing if another Adolph Hitler steps forward and starts slaughtering masses ?

                          Liberals would jump on and criticize our current president no matter what he did or didn't do in this situation, surely you can see this at least ?
                          Children beiing gassed that we refused to aid because we were afraid of them and their parents shouldn't be used to justify military action. It's hypocrisy from the right or the left to claim otherwise.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                            Children beiing gassed that we refused to aid because we were afraid of them and their parents shouldn't be used to justify military action. It's hypocrisy from the right or the left to claim otherwise.
                            Either way, it's a no win situation.

                            Can you imagine the noise we'd hear if we did nothing ?

                            We'd see videos posted of gasping and dying people and they'd say;

                            "Look what Trump is allowing to happen in our world !! He obviously hates Muslims, EVEN INNOCENT KIDS !!!" ....Among other things.

                            That he DID take action will cause other B.S. to be noised about. No win for anyone. It's sick & sad business either way.

                            A little more information...

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                            The overnight missile attack, which marked the first time the U.S. has directly targeted Syrian President Bashar Assad's forces, was condemned by his allies in Russia and Iran but welcomed by the Syrian opposition and its supporters, who expressed hope it signaled a turning point in the devastating six-year-old civil war.

                            The bombing represents Trump's most dramatic military order since taking office and thrusts the U.S. administration deeper into the complex Syrian conflict. The Obama administration threatened to attack Assad's forces after previous chemical attacks, but never followed through. Trump called on "all civilized nations" to join the U.S. in seeking an end to the carnage in Syria.

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                            About 60 U.S. Tomahawk missiles hit the Shayrat air base, southeast of Homs, a small installation with two runways, where aircraft often take off to bomb targets in northern and central Syria. The U.S. missiles hit at 3:45 a.m. (0045 GMT) Friday morning and targeted the base's airstrips, hangars, control tower and ammunition areas, U.S. officials said.

                            They were fired from two warships in the Mediterranean Sea, in retaliation for Tuesday's deadly chemical attack, which officials said used chlorine mixed with a nerve agent, possibly sarin.


                            http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ML-S.../07/id/783095/

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                              You seriously believe America has been attacked because of Assad ? It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the U.S invading and causing chaos in at least several countries in the past 20 years?
                              The only reason ISIS exists to inspire anyone is because Assad decided to wage war on his own people.

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