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  • #31
    Originally posted by msc View Post
    I think you forgot the 3,000 killed on US soil in 9/11. ISIS is merely a promotion for those involved in Al Qaeda.
    Well, yes, though I was counting from about mid-2014, after the declaration of the Caliphate.

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    • #32
      Asaad isn't responsible for ISIS murdering people in Egyptian churches this weekend. Conflating mltiple conflicts is as insane as the fiends in ISIS murdering people at church.

      The half-assed missile strike compomised our ability to fight ISIS as effectively as we were capable a week earlier.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
        Asaad isn't responsible for ISIS murdering people in Egyptian churches this weekend. Conflating mltiple conflicts is as insane as the fiends in ISIS murdering people at church.

        The half-assed missile strike compomised our ability to fight ISIS as effectively as we were capable a week earlier.
        Who is claiming Assad is responsible for anything in Egypt?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

          Who is claiming Assad is responsible for anything in Egypt?
          Anyone claiming Asaad is responsible for ISIS and it's ilk. Read upthread.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
            Asaad isn't responsible for ISIS murdering people in Egyptian churches this weekend. Conflating multiple conflicts is as insane as the fiends in ISIS murdering people at church.

            The half-assed missile strike compromised our ability to fight ISIS as effectively as we were capable a week earlier.
            You can whack the ISIS mole in Raqqa, but they are just going to pop up again and regain followers unless you deal with the genocidal Shia trying to kill them.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Commodore View Post

              You can whack the ISIS mole in Raqqa, but they are just going to pop up again and regain followers unless you deal with the genocidal Shia trying to kill them.
              So you are claiming ISIS will go away and play nice if the Shia are dealt with?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                So you are claiming ISIS will go away and play nice if the Shia are dealt with?
                Not immediately, the armies in the field have already been radicalized too far. But you make their recruiting efforts a whole lot harder if there isn't a hostile army of apostates next door.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                  Not immediately, the armies in the field have already been radicalized too far. But you make their recruiting efforts a whole lot harder if there isn't a hostile army of apostates next door.

                  ISIS does not legitimize its existence because of a secular state which was created by a sect of Shia. ISIS and other radical groups were looking for land to take, to form their own caliphate, a very brutal and radical shariah law state. ISIS is all over the place or close facsimiles not just Syria. They do not depend upon assad for their existence. ISIS an other radicals are in Syria for the land, being armed by the US and nations like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. If not for us and those sunni nations, isis and others trying to take Syria could not have presented the force they did. We are using them, or Obama was using them as our proxies. As isis inspired muslism were killing people in Europe in terror attacks. The coup against assad, backed by our CIA, arming isis and others, had as much to do with refugees streaming into Europe, as assad did, as he fought to maintain Syria as a state, a secular state.

                  So what is the real reason we want to turn Syria into Libya? Is it possible it is mostly about our oil elites making more money? LOL How much money is a pipe line from Qatar across Syria, into Europe worth to our oil elites in future profits? Enough to take out assad and destroy a secular state which protects all religions from muslims? Yes, obviously. How does taking out assad and the last secular state benefit you and I? How does it benefit our national security, given all of the western terror attacks are from sunnis and not shia? LOL Looks like to me we are gonna take out assad and kill the remaining arab secular state for a group of americans that is less than one percent of our population. We are doing for a tiny handful of people who are filthy rich from fossil fuels in the middle east. This isn't just some belief, it is merely reality which doesn't care what you believe.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post


                    ISIS does not legitimize its existence because of a secular state which was created by a sect of Shia. ISIS and other radical groups were looking for land to take, to form their own caliphate, a very brutal and radical shariah law state. ISIS is all over the place or close facsimiles not just Syria. They do not depend upon assad for their existence. ISIS an other radicals are in Syria for the land, being armed by the US and nations like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. If not for us and those sunni nations, isis and others trying to take Syria could not have presented the force they did. We are using them, or Obama was using them as our proxies. As isis inspired muslism were killing people in Europe in terror attacks. The coup against assad, backed by our CIA, arming isis and others, had as much to do with refugees streaming into Europe, as assad did, as he fought to maintain Syria as a state, a secular state.

                    So what is the real reason we want to turn Syria into Libya? Is it possible it is mostly about our oil elites making more money? LOL How much money is a pipe line from Qatar across Syria, into Europe worth to our oil elites in future profits? Enough to take out assad and destroy a secular state which protects all religions from muslims? Yes, obviously. How does taking out assad and the last secular state benefit you and I? How does it benefit our national security, given all of the western terror attacks are from sunnis and not shia? LOL Looks like to me we are gonna take out assad and kill the remaining arab secular state for a group of americans that is less than one percent of our population. We are doing for a tiny handful of people who are filthy rich from fossil fuels in the middle east. This isn't just some belief, it is merely reality which doesn't care what you believe.
                    While ISIS certainly has designs beyond Syria, they where able to set up shop in Syria because of the power vacuum created by Assad's war against the Sunni population, which also provides them while ample recruits.

                    Your tin foil hat isn't helping you.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                      While ISIS certainly has designs beyond Syria, they where able to set up shop in Syria because of the power vacuum created by Assad's war against the Sunni population, which also provides them while ample recruits.

                      Your tin foil hat isn't helping you.
                      Tinfoilhatdom many times lies in the people in denial. As I think you are in. The coup in Syria was CIA backed, and then we helped to throw gas on it, so it would escalate into what we have seen for the last 6 years. What was the goal? To take out assad by proxies. The US first said assad had to go in 05, which is public record.

                      Now, it isn't tin foil hat thinking to remember Syria, Libya, Iraq Afghanistan and Iran were the nations listed in the neocon New American Century list for nations that we needed to change the gov'ts in. It would be tinfoil thinking to think we have changed or tried to change these nations as mere coincidence. This is too much of a coincidence to believe otherwise.

                      We were using isis and the other opposition groups in Syria to take out assad. So, isis who was financing their war against assad, by selling Syrian oil, to turkey, using convoys of trucks we would not even take out to starve the war beast. Who took them out? Russia. Which is what you do when you are fighting an enemy you want to cut off money to. So we were doing a lip service war against isis and only after Russia came in and fought them did we see isis and opposition forces being pushed back.

                      We were so intent on assad being taken out, we allowed isis to fight assad's forces. For us. Yet it is not assad doing terror attacks on the west but isis. So we were in bed with the devil. We or our allies armed them, supplied them, and probably even financed them. This is why isis is widespread, outside of Syria. If not for arms supplies and outside financing isis would not be what they are. For isis armies have to be financed. And our allies are doing that. So, if not for this, isis would be living in caves like Bin Laden. It takes lots of money to finance groups like isis. And they don't have millions of jews so as to steal their gold jewels, artwork, bank accounts.

                      This new American century scheme began under bush has played out for almost 8 years under him and 8 years under Obama. Obama just used proxies, for Libya and then Syria. Our foreign policy is guided by this neocon scheme. I think you cannot ignore it.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                        Well, yes, though I was counting from about mid-2014, after the declaration of the Caliphate.
                        I see, carry on.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                          Asaad isn't responsible for ISIS murdering people in Egyptian churches this weekend. Conflating mltiple conflicts is as insane as the fiends in ISIS murdering people at church.

                          The half-assed missile strike compomised our ability to fight ISIS as effectively as we were capable a week earlier.
                          Yes, perhaps you're right. Assad and ISIS are not from the same death organization. Perhaps we should focus on what they do have in common. What could that possibly be?

                          And yes again. At first I thought the limited strike was good, but in hind site, I also see it as half-assed. I think we should have blew up every plain and the runways as well. Would have taken more, but would have been worth it. Again, that's in hind site.

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                          • #43
                            Syrian Survivor Shocks CNN's Brooke Baldwin By Praising Trump

                            http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/...praising-trump

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                            • #44
                              Make up your mind folks are the political notions of members of the Various muslim sects worthy or not?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                                Tinfoilhatdom many times lies in the people in denial. As I think you are in. The coup in Syria was CIA backed, and then we helped to throw gas on it, so it would escalate into what we have seen for the last 6 years. What was the goal? To take out assad by proxies. The US first said assad had to go in 05, which is public record.
                                Assad's discrimination and maltreatment of his people, particularly the Sunni majority is nothing new. It's kind of the family business. It is a pattern common in sectarian dictators. Saddam did it too. No one should be surprised that those who's job it is to pay attention to these things saw it coming in 2005.

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