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Syria : Key Facts curiously Not Debated. +US Pentagon confirms Russia's version ?!

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  • Syria : Key Facts curiously Not Debated. +US Pentagon confirms Russia's version ?!

    - Russian Officials said that the Tragedy near Idlib was due to Poisonous Chemicals stocked by Islamist Terrorists to make Bombs used in Iraq, as before in Aleppo (Syria), which explosed when a Syrian Airplane stroke against their Weapons' Factory.

    In order to ascertain that, they Proposed a Fair, inclusive and transparent Investigation, with the Participation of Experts from of all Countries involved, led by the International "Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons" (OPCW).

    Meanwhile, the Spokesman of Russian President Vladimir Putin, advised to refrain from taking as granded one or another Hasty Hypothesis, until the real Facts are clearly established and Verified.

    For the Time being, at least 2 unquestionable Facts seem to give them, at least partialy, Reason in certain Key points :

    - The UN reportedly Acknowledged that it does Not yet know How exactly Poisonous Gas was spread in that area.

    - An US Pentagon's Spkesman used a Wording implying a Difference between the origins of the Airstrike and those of the Gas :

    - "the Bombs (of a Syrian Airplane) caused the Chemical Weapons (sic !) to disperse" on the ground, he declared.

    I.e., the US Pentagon itself made a Distinction between the Syrian Army's Airstrike ("the Bombs") and the Islamist Terrorists' alleged Poisonous Gas deposits ("the Chemical Weapons"), already on that ground.

    => Astonishingly, however, we have Not yet seen almost Noone among those Facts to be clearly Cited and serioously Contested by Critics, on the base of Other Facts and/or Logical Arguments !

    It's all as if a Strange "Gray" Atmosphere was Hindering any real Public Debate between opposed Views, while some Old "Cold War" Lobbies of an Establishment against which the New US President Don Trump was Elected by the American People, were notoriously Pushing to Hasty and Negative Moves, that Risk to provoke Irreversible and possibly Unjust Harm, even Before the Public Opinion can have a chance to form a clear view on what the real Facts might be...

    IF anyone might have really abused of Chemical or even other Weapons in order to Target innocent Civilian People (including Children) - as, f.ex., ISIL's and other Islamist Terrorists notoriously do more and more frequently nowadays - then, a Strong Punishment would be certainly required.

    But, as long as a Total Lack of any serious Public Debate on the above-mentioned Data still Hinders People to Find the Truth, it's not even certain that US President Trump has been correctly Informed about these Crucial Facts, or Not yet !

    Something very Fishy seems to be going on.

    The sly Harassment and Pressure from a corrupted and unpopular, old and failed Establishment, against New US President Don Trump's pre-Electoral Options, has obviously been going on for too long, and even growing much more greedy...

    (PS : Draft Text prepared BEFORE the Military Strikes).

  • #2
    What a "rebel-run toxic gas manufacturing plant" looks like...

    Moscow, Bashar al-Assads principal backer in the war, said the Syrian government had bombed a rebel-run toxic gas manufacturing plant in Khan Sheikhun, and that the gas had subsequently leaked out.

    The Guardian, the first western media organisation to visit the site of the attack, examined a warehouse and silos directly next to where the missile had landed, and found nothing but an abandoned space covered in dust and half-destroyed silos reeking of leftover grain and animal manure.

    Residents said the silos had been damaged in air raids six months ago, and had stood unused since then.

    You can look at it ; theres nothing there except maybe some grain and animal dung, and theres even a dead goat there that suffocated in the attack, one person said. Residents responded in disbelief to the Russian allegation.

    There was no evidence of any building being hit in recent days or weeks near where so many people were killed and wounded by a nerve agent. The homes across the street appeared undamaged from the outside. There was no contamination zone near any building. Instead, the contamination area radiated from a hole in a road.


    • #3
      Originally posted by Commodore View Post
      ....The Guardian, the first western media organisation to visit the site of the attack, examined a warehouse and silos ....and found nothing ... "Theres nothing there except .....a dead goat ...that suffocated in the attack, o....Residents responded in disbelief to the Russian allegation... "

      Fine ! Excellent : Only a UK Establishment's Media, of Mr. Bliar's "Labour" Party...

      => Why not, then, Ask Mr. Tony Bliar himself ? He has already Proved to be quite "Trustworthy" in the Past, with his infamous "Weapons of Mass Destruction" allegedly Hidden by Saddam Hussein at Iraq, pushing to the Sly Trap of that Desastrous 2003 Foreign Military Invasion and Occupation, which Found "Nothing", but resulted to an Awful Waste of Killed People (including US Soldiers) and a lot of Money thrown out of the window, added to the Creation and the Spread of ISIL's Deadly Islamist Terrorists, (who have just Attacked even UK's Westminster Parliament in London (UK), Saint Petersburg (Russia), Stockholm (Sweden), after Paris (France), Berlin (Germany), Brussels (Belgium), Copenhagen (Denmark), as well as Tennessee, San Bernandino, Orlando, Washington State, Florida, etc in the USA, killing a lot of innocent Civilian People...

      Exactly what New US President Don Trump was notoriously Denouncing, since Back from 2003 up to his 2016 Election, and made him Popular.

      The Only British Expert who Dared Openly Criticize, then, Mr. Bliar's "WMD" Fake Claims for Iraq before the Military Invasion : the Experienced UN Expert Dr. Kelly, was Shamefuly Bullied in Public by Bliar's Cronies, and suddenly found Atrociously Killed, at a Deserted Countryside, with all his Blood flowing out of his Body from 2 Knife sharp Cuts at his Wrists, in a non-elucidated and unprecedented Tragic Incident !

      >>> But Who is so Opposed Now to a Real International and transparent Investigation, with the Participation of Experts from All involved Countries ?

      Let's be Serious, folks !
      Last edited by Ocram; 1 week ago.


      • #4
        Originally posted by Commodore
        .... What a "rebel-run toxic gas manufacturing plant" looks like ....
        Warehouse (according to UK MSM Turkey string).jpg

        + Moreover, that (obviously One-Sided and Pro-Establishment) Article, does Not explain, at least, 4 concrete things :

        (1) What "Credibility" might have, against Assad and Russia, an Author who is an Arab String paid by a UK Socialist pro-Bliar MSM, is Based at Istanbul, and deals mainly with Turkey, praising Mr. Erdogan's "Force of Personality" (sic !) ?...

        (2) All that Neat and Huge, now Empty Space in his Photo, was kept like this, (Ready to be immediately Used by a lot of People), just for ... "a Goat" alone ???!!!...

        (3) How come that even "a Goat" reportedly "Suffocated" by Gas, inside that Huge, Protected, and apparently Well Ventilated Space, (given all those Open Doors/Windows/partly demolished Walls, at several Sides), IF there wasn't any Poisonous Gas Stockpiled (by the Islamist Terrorists) there ?

        (4) Do you want to see How it Looks an Islamist Terrorists' "Chemical Weapons Factory" ? Here is a recent Photograph of an alleged "ISIS"' Poisonous Gas Factory, located Elsewhere in Syria (near Ephrates River, close to Iraq), that Kurdish-led "SDF" Militants reportedly spoted on March 2017 : - It obviously Looks very Similar to that UK MSM's Photo that you have shown (with "a Goat", etc), Seen from the Outside, (i.e. a Large and "Empty", Well Ventilated, Semi-Demolished Building, but with Most of its Cielings and Walls intact, preferably at Ground Floor, i.e. easily Accessible to Lorries, etc).

        (Screenshot from a relevant VOA News video).
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        • #5
          According to articles in the NYT, opposition forces in Syria have used chemical weapons post 2013. I am not at all surprised that this important info was blacked out in MSM, and oddly forgotten by others when it was immediately blamed on assad, who had just had the best day of his war against the opposition which includes mostly radical islamists when Trump changed policy held since at least 05, and said we would allow the Syrian people to decide if assad stays or not. Syrian forces and Russia were winning this coup, the US said assad did not have to go, as a matter of our position on him, which then was reversed when assad was accused of using gas. So assad, knowing what the use of gas would do, to his newfound hope, used gas? The absurdity of this is an insult to basic common sense. So any critical thinker would figure it was a frame up, a false flag, to change Trump's new policy. I was shocked to see trump change, given he has clearly never trusted such claims, which took us into Iraq. I am puzzled as to what actually happened. IMO, trump does not believe assad used gas, which means someone made him an offer he could not refuse. While this seems like tin foil hat thinking, what else would explain trump totally changing what he has believed for years? He would have been suspicious of any intel that seemed a bit shady.


          • #6
            Between the government and the media - liars all - are we ever expected to know the truth ?

            Until perhaps decades later, when the truth is allowed to be 'leaked out' for the purposes of the current government & media.


            • #7
              Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
              Between the government and the media - liars all - are we ever expected to know the truth ?

              Until perhaps decades later, when the truth is allowed to be 'leaked out' for the purposes of the current government & media.
              I think we live in a post truth US, as well as an Orwellian post 1984 western world. I believe so little of what I see in the media, and nothing when it comes to foreign policy. This looks like some kind of farce to me, theater passed off as reality. Not at the local and state level but at the federal level. Sometimes I think I should pinch myself to make sure I am not in some Alice in Wonderland surrealism. Or perhaps I died, and this is what Hell looks like when everything we are told is one big pack of lies and deception. I would imagine this would be what a real Hell would look like, which would mean of course, I didn't make it to heaven.


              • #8
                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                I think we live in a post truth US, as well as an Orwellian post 1984 western world. I believe so little of what I see in the media, and nothing when it comes to foreign policy.
                Exactly right.

                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                This looks like some kind of farce to me, theater passed off as reality.
                That is what it is, mostly theater.

                I've said it before, if the people of America knew everything that went on in D.C., they would be upset enough to "clean out" the D.C. sh*t-house for real.

                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                Not at the local and state level but at the federal level. Sometimes I think I should pinch myself to make sure I am not in some Alice in Wonderland surrealism. Or perhaps I died, and this is what Hell looks like when everything we are told is one big pack of lies and deception. I would imagine this would be what a real Hell would look like, which would mean of course, I didn't make it to heaven.
                We're still on Earth and this life is only a test -

                Humans still tend toward evil, nothing has changed.


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                  Exactly right.

                  That is what it is, mostly theater.

                  I've said it before, if the people of America knew everything that went on in D.C., they would be upset enough to "clean out" the D.C. sh*t-house for real.

                  We're still on Earth and this life is only a test -

                  Humans still tend toward evil, nothing has changed.
                  You know of course, this talk which we both agree with, for it is objective perception, would be considered tin foil hat thinking by many other people. Yet they cannot explain away rationally the incoherence that is so prevalent in actions of the federal gov't, and what MSM blacks out. This incoherence is seemingly just ignored by the common voter. But it is like seeing a giraffe in your garden eating your corn. Giraffes are not native here. So I ask, why the hell is that animal here? Others pass by and do not notice the incoherence, for they have to argue with someone in the other political party and are consumed with that fight. Meanwhile the critter eats up all of our corn.