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  • Nut in Texas murders 26 or more in church...

    What was THIS one about ?

    I guess we'll find out soon enough.. maybe.

    Looks like some random nut just decided to go shoot people. Why ?

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    Multiple Deaths in Texas Church Shooting

    A lone gunman walked into a church in a small town in southeast Texas on Sunday and opened fire, reportedly killing at least 26 people and injuring two dozen others.....

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/sho.../05/id/824203/

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    Texas church attacker killing 27 ID'd as Devin Kelley

    Two officials have identified the suspect in a mass shooting at a Texas church as Devin Kelley.

    The officials one a U.S. official and the other in law enforcement spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation, which they were briefed on.

    The U.S. official says Kelley lived in a suburb of San Antonio and that he doesn't appear to be linked to organized terrorist groups. The official says investigators are looking at social media posts Kelley may have made in the days before Sunday's attack, including one that appeared to show an AR-15 semiautomatic weapon.

    ... the gunman fled the church in a vehicle after the shooting and was also killed, either by a self-inflicted wound or during a confrontation with police. The official was not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.


    https://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/united...s-devin-kelley

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    ...at a news conference Sunday evening, the Texas Department of Public Safety said the shooter, dressed in black an wearing a bulletproof vest, initially started shooting outside the church, before moving inside and continuing to fire.

    Upon his exit, a local resident grabbed his own rifle and engaged the subject. The suspect dropped his weapon and then got into a vehicle where a chase ensued. The suspects vehicle eventually ran off the roadway and the shooter was found deceased in his vehicle.

    At this time, it is unclear if Kelley took his own life or was mortally wounded by the resident.

    May God be w/ the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas, tweeted President Donald Trump. The FBI & law enforcement are on the scene. I am monitoring the situation from Japan.

    The presidents daughter, Ivanka Trump, tweeted: God bless the people of Sutherland Springs, TX. Our countrys hearts are breaking for the victims & their families. We love & are with you!

    Our prayers are with all who were harmed by this evil act, said Texas Gov. Greg Abbott in a tweet Sunday afternoon. Our thanks to law enforcement for their response.

    Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said, I can imagine these people [in Sutherland Springs] are devastated. Who expects this on a Sunday morning at a church? Its evil. Its hard to justify why anyone would do this.

    ...


    http://www.wnd.com/2017/11/bloody-su...-texas-church/

  • #2
    My theory on all of these shootings is that someone is paying these people to do what they are doing to push a gun control agenda. Whether it's Soros or Bloomberg, I'm not sure but I don't believe there are suddenly this many crazy people showing up in the country.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
      My theory on all of these shootings is that someone is paying these people to do what they are doing to push a gun control agenda. Whether it's Soros or Bloomberg, I'm not sure but I don't believe there are suddenly this many crazy people showing up in the country.
      My hypothesis is that there is a given number of nutjobs, willing and able to harm one or more people at random. While we can't make nutjobbery illegal, it can be minimized. To minimize, we need to identify the nutjobs who would harm others and keep them in a safe place (fe, a secure, padded room). One lefty argument -that harmful nutjobs won't kill people if they don't have access to firearms- is best handled by keeping nuts in secured facilities. Same strategy for large vehicles, and other things that can be used to kill people.

      Curious thing is, we don't see much in the way of identifying and securing these types of crazies. That argument seems to go the way of "privacy" or a state's right to not put violent nutjobs in a federal database. Bad news is we have to be targets for heavy objects and de facto automatic firearms. Good news is that we haven't reached a point where there are too many crazies on the loose, where such incidents happen with regularity in every city.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        My theory on all of these shootings is that someone is paying these people to do what they are doing to push a gun control agenda. Whether it's Soros or Bloomberg, I'm not sure but I don't believe there are suddenly this many crazy people showing up in the country.
        These days nothing would come as a surprise.

        Originally posted by radcentr View Post
        My hypothesis is that there is a given number of nutjobs, willing and able to harm one or more people at random. While we can't make nutjobbery illegal, it can be minimized. To minimize, we need to identify the nutjobs who would harm others and keep them in a safe place (fe, a secure, padded room). One lefty argument -that harmful nutjobs won't kill people if they don't have access to firearms- is best handled by keeping nuts in secured facilities. Same strategy for large vehicles, and other things that can be used to kill people.

        Curious thing is, we don't see much in the way of identifying and securing these types of crazies. That argument seems to go the way of "privacy" or a state's right to not put violent nutjobs in a federal database. Bad news is we have to be targets for heavy objects and de facto automatic firearms. Good news is that we haven't reached a point where there are too many crazies on the loose, where such incidents happen with regularity in every city.
        Or so we thought.

        The timing of these things is beginning to look suspect perhaps... it's a bit strange. Random crazies going off the rail on the "Crazy train" and slaughtering as many people as they can.. it's suspect. Especially so close together in time, these similar occurrences.

        Sounds like this man had some issues. This is what we're told. One wonders what he supposedly did to his wife and child etc...

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        Kelley received a "bad conduct discharge" from the U.S. Air Force. He was sentenced to nine-months confinement and demoted.

        Kelley was court-martialed over charges of assault on his wife and his child, MSNBC reported.



        http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dev.../05/id/824219/

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        Kelley was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of assault on his spouse and assault on their child, Stefanek said. He received a bad conduct discharge and confinement for 12 months.

        He has a residence in New Braunfels, Texas, which is about a 35 mile drive from where the attack took place in Sutherland Springs.

        Investigators will look at his social media posts made in the days prior to Sunday's attack -- including one that appeared to display an AR-15 semiautomatic weapon. Kelley's date of birth is listed as Feb. 21, 1991.

        No motive has been declared as the investigation continues.


        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/devin-p...church-latest/

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        • #5

          This from the daily wire

          This sounds very familiar !

          "He was always talking about how people who believe in God we're stupid and trying to preach his atheism."


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          Texas Shooter's Former Classmates: He Was An Atheist, Mocked Believers


          [I]"He was always talking about how people who believe in God we're stupid and trying to preach his atheism."

          Kelley's former high school classmate Patrick Boyce told DailyMail.com. "He was the first atheist I met. He went Air Force after high school, got discharged but I don't know why. I was just shocked [to hear the news]. Still havent quite processed how he could have done that."

          Another former classmate, Nina Rose Nava, told the outlet that Kelley "was different in school and creeped me out," but she added that she "never" would have thought he would do "such a horrific thing."

          "We had a few conversations here and there," Nava said of their high school days. "It's not something I expected from him. He was an outcast but not a loner. He was popular among other outcast[s]."

          Though Nava said the two hadn't spoken in person since high school, until recently they had been friends on Facebook. In a post, she said she had "just deleted him" from her Facebook account because she "couldn't stand" his insulting posts.

          "n complete shock! I legit just deleted him off my [Facebook] cause I couldn't stand his post," wrote Nava. "He was always talking about how people who believe in God we're stupid and trying to preach his atheism."

          Nava's impression of Kelley's posts were echoed by Christopher Leo Longoria, who said he "removed him off [Facebook] for those same reasons!" Longoria described Kelley as being "super negative all the time."

          Michael Goff agreed with Nava's opinion of Kelley, replying, "He was weird but never that damn weird, always posting his atheist sh** like Nina wrote, but damn he always posted pics of him and his baby crazy."

          One person who described himself as a former friend of Kelley said on Facebook that he used to "stay the night at his place when we were kids" but said, "I ended up distancing myself from him in high school after he got in an argument with me in school and he tried punching me several times. Dude was crazy man."



          http://www.dailywire.com/news/23197/...paign=dwbrand#

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          • #6

            A "domestic" issue this was over. The man obviously had issues.

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            The gunman who murdered 26 people at a Texas church Sunday is believed to have been driven by a "domestic" dispute, officials said Monday.

            "This was not racially motivated, it wasn't over religious beliefs. There was a domestic situation going on with the family and in-laws," Freeman Martin, regional director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told a news conference.

            "The suspect's mother-in-law attended this church," he said, adding that 26-year-old shooter Devin Patrick Kelley had sent her "threatening texts" prior to the mass shooting.

            "We know he sent threatening ... that she had received threatening text messages from him," Martin said.

            Kelley's in-laws were not at First Baptist's church service Sunday, but did go there to talk to authorities Sunday afternoon.

            ...evidence at the scene leads them to believe that Kelley died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after he crashed his car. He had been chased by armed bystanders.

            They say Kelley also used his cellphone to tell his father that he had been shot and didn't think he would survive.


            http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-c.../06/id/824354/

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
              A "domestic" issue this was over. The man obviously had issues.

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              The gunman who murdered 26 people at a Texas church Sunday is believed to have been driven by a "domestic" dispute, officials said Monday.

              "This was not racially motivated, it wasn't over religious beliefs. There was a domestic situation going on with the family and in-laws," Freeman Martin, regional director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told a news conference.

              "The suspect's mother-in-law attended this church," he said, adding that 26-year-old shooter Devin Patrick Kelley had sent her "threatening texts" prior to the mass shooting.

              "We know he sent threatening ... that she had received threatening text messages from him," Martin said.

              Kelley's in-laws were not at First Baptist's church service Sunday, but did go there to talk to authorities Sunday afternoon.

              ...evidence at the scene leads them to believe that Kelley died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after he crashed his car. He had been chased by armed bystanders.

              They say Kelley also used his cellphone to tell his father that he had been shot and didn't think he would survive.


              http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-c.../06/id/824354/
              Of course now isn't the time to talk about it. Sandy Hook was five years ago and it's still not time to talk about that one yet. Texas will just have to get in line.I've fired an M-16 on full automatic I didn't find it to be all that thrilling. Not like finding a Mickey Mantle card in your Topps wax pack.

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              • #8
                Our hero obama finds God to help him peddle the agenda.

                Should this surprise us ?

                No.

                Liberals are known opportunists & liars.

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                Former President Barack Obama on Sunday reacted to the mass murder in Texas, tweeting support to the victims and families while summoning God's wisdom "to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst."

                May God also grant all of us the wisdom to ask what concrete steps we can take to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst.


                https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ob.../06/id/824364/

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                Now obama is "tweeting" like Trump !!! Isn't THAT interesting ?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                  Our hero obama finds God to help him peddle the agenda.

                  Should this surprise us ?

                  No.

                  Liberals are known opportunists & liars.

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                  Former President Barack Obama on Sunday reacted to the mass murder in Texas, tweeting support to the victims and families while summoning God's wisdom "to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst."

                  May God also grant all of us the wisdom to ask what concrete steps we can take to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst.


                  https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ob.../06/id/824364/

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                  Now obama is "tweeting" like Trump !!! Isn't THAT interesting ?
                  Let's learn from this tragic event and do the right thing and ban the Muslin religion. LOL.I guess if you are going to live in rural America I you must learn to coexist with the gun culture.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by redrover View Post
                    Let's learn from this tragic event and do the right thing and ban the Muslin religion. LOL.I guess if you are going to live in rural America I you must learn to coexist with the gun culture.
                    Absolutely.

                    Those old lady sewing circles will kill us all !

                    https://www.onlinefabricstore.net/ty...SAAEgJA1_D_BwE

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by redrover View Post

                      Let's learn from this tragic event and do the right thing and ban the Muslin religion. LOL.I guess if you are going to live in rural America I you must learn to coexist with the gun culture.
                      I grew up in rural America and never had a problem with the gun culture. It has nothing to do with guns but you wouldn't understand the real problem.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                        Absolutely.

                        Those old lady sewing circles will kill us all !

                        https://www.onlinefabricstore.net/ty...SAAEgJA1_D_BwE
                        I don't get the joke but I know the difference between muslin and percale. As a kid the family business was in curtains linens draperies automatic weapons etc. OK I was lying about the automatic weapons. I was just trying to impress you.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                          I grew up in rural America and never had a problem with the gun culture. It has nothing to do with guns but you wouldn't understand the real problem.
                          So true. The real problem is isolating people who are violent crazies. If there were only a way of reducing their chance of getting their hands on a firearm.... hmmm. Then, just maybe, they will kill fewer people, since firearms kill and injure people at such an efficient rate. Hmmmm... that's a tough one. Any ideas, OMD?

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                            Originally posted by radcentr View Post

                            So true. The real problem is isolating people who are violent crazies. If there were only a way of reducing their chance of getting their hands on a firearm.... hmmm. Then, just maybe, they will kill fewer people, since firearms kill and injure people at such an efficient rate. Hmmmm... that's a tough one. Any ideas, OMD?
                            If the system that liberals want worked, he would not have been able to legally purchase a gun in the first place. But the system failed. Even if it had worked, he could have gotten a gun illegally if he was really determined. He could also have thrown gas on the church and burned the building and the people to the ground. A gun was just a convenient tool. There are much more efficient tools for killing mass numbers of people.

                            SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. A day after a gunman massacred parishioners in a small Texas church, the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the mans domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.

                            Under federal law, the conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and toddler stepson he had cracked the childs skull should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he acquired in the last four years.

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                              Last I heard, a church has more than one exit, and a fire doesn't spread so quickly as to burn everyone at once. Fewer deaths. Also, those who are reckless in securing their firearms, when they make said firearm available for use by a violent nutty, are subject to penalties including jail time. Fewer deaths. That part of the puzzle, in nutty Kelley's case, is finding out how he got hold of the weapons. If they were stolen from a secure location, the original owners are protected. If he owned them before he completed the assault conviction, & he "slipped thru the cracks". If someone was sloppy or criminal, providing his firearms without a background check, they need to go up the river. Fewer deaths.

                              Ooops, one last scenario. If TX is one of those states that allows internet, private or gun show purchases without a background check, we have more deaths. Thanks to loopholes in state laws. See how this one plays out.

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