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  • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

    I believe that the only plans that would meet the tax penalty portion of Obamacare were those which had all the bells and whistles. You could still buy non-qualifying plans but you would have to pay a penalty.



    https://www.freewayinsurance.com/blo...-coverage-gap/
    The preventive care mandate effects all Major Medical insurance plans, in or out of the exchange. Includes things that many consumers are not interested in or need to be insured for.

    But yes, I see that plans not considered to be Major Medical plans, can now be purchased without penalty. This is good.

    I was conflating Major Medical insurance with all Medical Insurance.

    We still do not have available insurance plans that encompass needed Major Medical benefits in moderation with options geared to groups of individuals, but with this elimination of the mandate, we have to consider what new plans insurance companies come up with to gain consumers.

    Thanks for the info, makes me even more optimistic.
    Last edited by msc; 12-30-2017, 06:38 AM.

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    • Originally posted by msc View Post

      I haven't seen any plans available that don't cover the mandates of Obama Care. Have you?
      No, but I haven't looked for any either. I know a neighbor who has Medishare but I don't know what all that entails.

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      • Originally posted by redrover View Post

        Tax cuts are the answer for everything. I times are bad let's give a tax cut to the rich to stimulate growth. If times are good give a tax cut to let people keep more of their own money. Now tell me that's the absolute truth. They even give tax cuts after they start wars that the have to put on the credit card.
        Why do you even care if "The Rich" get a tax break along with everyone else? How does it affect your life anyway? Do you think the problem is that the government doesn't have enough money and if they had more it would make your life better?

        I hear the term "the wealthy" and "the rich" thrown around as a classification. Quite a non definitive term. It's also quite subjective. Who exactly are we talking about here? What's the circumstance in which one fits into the class of the rich? Who are the rich?

        And exactly how much are each of us allowed to have before we become responsible for supporting society? What's the limit?

        And is Time not wealth? If you work an extra 20 hours a week and gain financial wealth for it, are you not poorer in 20 hours of time to enjoy your life? What, do those who are richer in time, required to contribute to society? Or do they get to just keep that wealth to themselves?

        And while your explaining who the Rich are and why it affects you, can you explain what's meant by income equality. Does equality mean equally equal or not? An example of "not" would be: Equal pay for equal work is required, but equal work for equal pay is not. That doesn't seem like equal means equal, but in fact unequal.
        Last edited by msc; 01-07-2018, 08:45 AM.

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        • I doubt you'll get more than a 2 or 3 sentence answer from rover... maybe he'll prove me wrong and offer something of substance ?

          We'll see..

          Originally posted by msc View Post
          Why do you even care if "The Rich" get a tax break along with everyone else? How does it affect your life anyway? Do you think the problem is that the government doesn't have enough money and if they had more it would make your life better?
          It's important that the "rich" don't get tax breaks, because we resent the "rich." We hate that there are other people who have more than us, so they should be taxed more.

          ... neverminding of course that they already are

          Originally posted by msc View Post
          I hear the term "the wealthy" and "the rich" thrown around as a classification. Quite a non definitive term. It's also quite subjective. Who exactly are we talking about here? What's the circumstance in which one fits into the class of the rich? Who are the rich?
          Anyone that has more than I do is "the rich."

          Originally posted by msc View Post
          And exactly how much are each of us allowed to have before we become responsible for supporting society? What's the limit?

          And is Time not wealth? If you work an extra 20 hours a week and gain financial wealth for it, are you not poorer in 20 hours of time to enjoy your life? What, do those who are richer in time, required to contribute to society? Or do they get to just keep that wealth to themselves?

          And while your explaining who the Rich are and why it affects you, can you explain what's meant by income equality. Does equality mean equally equal or not? An example of "not" would be: Equal pay for equal work is required, but equal work for equal pay is not. That doesn't seem like equal means equal, but in fact unequal.
          For those of us that want socialist/communist principles to govern "fairness," everyone will get an equal measure of "wealth" no matter what work they perform.

          Everyone will be "equal" by force of "law." You will have no more and no less than your neighbor.

          There will be no more resentments or envies of "the rich."

          Doesn't this sound wonderful ?

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          • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
            I doubt you'll get more than a 2 or 3 sentence answer from rover... maybe he'll prove me wrong and offer something of substance ?

            We'll see..



            It's important that the "rich" don't get tax breaks, because we resent the "rich." We hate that there are other people who have more than us, so they should be taxed more.

            ... neverminding of course that they already are



            Anyone that has more than I do is "the rich."



            For those of us that want socialist/communist principles to govern "fairness," everyone will get an equal measure of "wealth" no matter what work they perform.

            Everyone will be "equal" by force of "law." You will have no more and no less than your neighbor.

            There will be no more resentments or envies of "the rich."

            Doesn't this sound wonderful ?
            Only in those socialist meccas there are the very rich and the very poor.

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            • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              Only in those socialist meccas there are the very rich and the very poor.
              Oh ... sSSSHHHHHHHHHHH........................!!!! quiet !!!

              Don't confuse us with that nasty old truth stuff !! LOL

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              • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                I doubt you'll get more than a 2 or 3 sentence answer from rover... maybe he'll prove me wrong and offer something of substance ?

                We'll see..



                It's important that the "rich" don't get tax breaks, because we resent the "rich." We hate that there are other people who have more than us, so they should be taxed more.

                ... neverminding of course that they already are



                Anyone that has more than I do is "the rich."



                For those of us that want socialist/communist principles to govern "fairness," everyone will get an equal measure of "wealth" no matter what work they perform.

                Everyone will be "equal" by force of "law." You will have no more and no less than your neighbor.

                There will be no more resentments or envies of "the rich."

                Doesn't this sound wonderful ?
                Okay, so you're saying that only equal money matters. Equal work does not. LOL. Thanks for clearing that up. Go from the cash poorer people resenting those with cash, to time poorer people resenting those with time. Time rich people that enjoy the cash that the Time poor earned. What a wonderful world it could be.

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                • And I'm still pissed off that in this tax plan someone could get money from taxes they haven't paid. Just another welfare program, but hidden in the tax code. It's BS.

                  Call it a tax "return", tax "credit", tax "deduction". None of those terms mean getting something without paying for it. Using them gives people the idea that they are entitled to it. Which they are not.

                  Return: to give back. (back is the key word here)
                  Credit: something given with a promise of returning it.
                  Deduction: subtracting something. (No adding involved)

                  If you're gonna give something to someone that has no obligation to pay for it in the first place or pay for it in the end, then call it what it is. A tax Grant.

                  Grant:
                  a sum of money given by an organization, especially a government, for a particular purpose.
                  synonyms: endowment, subvention, award, donation, bursary, allowance, subsidy, contribution, handout, allocation, gift;
                  scholarship
                  "a grant from the council"
                  https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.Xv05F6_qSyI

                  See how well that goes over with the public when it's called what it is. See what happens when Grants are introduced as Grants in the tax code. Is a Grant even allowed to be part of our tax code? If not, that's clearly why they call it by the wrong name.

                  Is it any different from the ACA calling the penalty a tax to get it through, when it was clearly a penalty? A penalty that was not allowed, yet a tax on having nothing or doing nothing, which is strangely allowed. Shouldn't this tax code issue have as much outrage?
                  Last edited by msc; 01-08-2018, 03:32 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by msc View Post
                    Okay, so you're saying that only equal money matters. Equal work does not. LOL. Thanks for clearing that up. Go from the cash poorer people resenting those with cash, to time poorer people resenting those with time. Time rich people that enjoy the cash that the Time poor earned. What a wonderful world it could be.
                    Yeah, sorry about that. Wonderful it will be though I promise - just like every great socialist.

                    Originally posted by msc View Post
                    And I'm still pissed off that in this tax plan someone could get money from taxes they haven't paid. Just another welfare program, but hidden in the tax code. It's BS.

                    Call it a tax "return", tax "credit", tax "deduction". None of those terms mean getting something without paying for it. Using them gives people the idea that they are entitled to it. Which they are not.

                    Return: to give back. (back is the key word here)
                    Credit: something given with a promise of returning it.
                    Deduction: subtracting something. (No adding involved)

                    If you're gonna give something to someone that has no obligation to pay for it in the first place or pay for it in the end, then call it what it is. A tax Grant.

                    Grant:
                    a sum of money given by an organization, especially a government, for a particular purpose.
                    synonyms: endowment, subvention, award, donation, bursary, allowance, subsidy, contribution, handout, allocation, gift;
                    scholarship
                    "a grant from the council"
                    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.Xv05F6_qSyI

                    See how well that goes over with the public when it's called what it is. See what happens when Grants are introduced as Grants in the tax code. Is a Grant even allowed to be part of our tax code? If not, that's clearly why they call it by the wrong name.

                    Is it any different from the ACA calling the penalty a tax to get it through, when it was clearly a penalty? A penalty that was not allowed, yet a tax on having nothing or doing nothing, which is strangely allowed. Shouldn't this tax code issue have as much outrage?

                    It does. Just for different reasons - as usual, none based in reality.

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                    • Originally posted by msc View Post
                      And I'm still pissed off that in this tax plan someone could get money from taxes they haven't paid. Just another welfare program, but hidden in the tax code. It's BS.

                      Call it a tax "return", tax "credit", tax "deduction". None of those terms mean getting something without paying for it. Using them gives people the idea that they are entitled to it. Which they are not.

                      Return: to give back. (back is the key word here)
                      Credit: something given with a promise of returning it.
                      Deduction: subtracting something. (No adding involved)

                      If you're gonna give something to someone that has no obligation to pay for it in the first place or pay for it in the end, then call it what it is. A tax Grant.

                      Grant:
                      a sum of money given by an organization, especially a government, for a particular purpose.
                      synonyms: endowment, subvention, award, donation, bursary, allowance, subsidy, contribution, handout, allocation, gift;
                      scholarship
                      "a grant from the council"
                      https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.Xv05F6_qSyI

                      See how well that goes over with the public when it's called what it is. See what happens when Grants are introduced as Grants in the tax code. Is a Grant even allowed to be part of our tax code? If not, that's clearly why they call it by the wrong name.

                      Is it any different from the ACA calling the penalty a tax to get it through, when it was clearly a penalty? A penalty that was not allowed, yet a tax on having nothing or doing nothing, which is strangely allowed. Shouldn't this tax code issue have as much outrage?
                      This is the money that is given to people to keep them from rioting in the streets. It's simply extortion money.

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                      • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                        This is the money that is given to people to keep them from rioting in the streets. It's simply extortion money.
                        Yes extortion is a good term as well.

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                          • Tax cuts are here & democrats still mindlessly blather about how they're bad....

                            ...between times when they're noising about some imagined racism or mass phobia of one sort or another

                            This is very good. Their negativism won't help anything, especially peoples perceptions of democrats

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                            The Democrats and their media allies did everything they could to defeat Trump's tax cuts and reforms. They continually lied to the public in a bid to make them believe that less than half of the taxpayers would actually get cuts and that the bill was meant to benefit only big, rich corporations. Therefore, we got all sorts of articles, obviously fed to journalists by left-wing think-tanks and Democratic politicos, claiming that the tax cuts aren't good or aren't performing as promised.

                            So, two weeks into a ten-year program, we are now hearing whining that all the promises of the broad-based reform haven't been fulfilled yet. (Eight years into Obamacare with nothing close to what was promised hasn't caught their attention – they're still telling us how good it is.)

                            It's a stupid thing for Democrats to keep holding onto this mythology, because they are about to be swamped by events.

                            ....a New York Times article whose purpose is to deride bonuses and tax cuts, claiming that the prime beneficiary is solely the greedy rich, particularly the corporations. It's a narrative that's pretty close to what House minority leader Nancy Pelosi has been saying, in her claims that corporations are only handing out crumbs and pretty much keeping all the tax gains for themselves. The article tries to portray corporations as evil and greedy and keeping too much for themselves, while the bonuses are just dog biscuits to the public. Naturally, the government is never greedy when Democrats want to take so much money and power for themselves – just corporations.

                            Somehow, Democrats don't seem to care that over half Americans in surveys don't have so much as a small savings nest egg to pay for emergencies, so my guess is that the millions of these same Americans who have gotten bonuses along with the many who have gotten raises (think of how many people Walmart alone employs) are happy that they have gotten these bonuses after eight years of Obama and essentially flat wages. A bonus of $1,000 is certainly better than zero, which is what they would have gotten had the Democrats gotten their way.

                            We will see the media continually, on behalf of Democrats, diminish the effects of tax reform and cuts on economic growth, because, after all, there is always an election coming up. People and businesses doing well do not help the Democrats win. That is the goal: power for the Democrats instead of the people.


                            http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...s_pan_out.html

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                            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                              Tax cuts are here & democrats still mindlessly blather about how they're bad....

                              ...between times when they're noising about some imagined racism or mass phobia of one sort or another

                              This is very good. Their negativism won't help anything, especially peoples perceptions of democrats

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                              The Democrats and their media allies did everything they could to defeat Trump's tax cuts and reforms. They continually lied to the public in a bid to make them believe that less than half of the taxpayers would actually get cuts and that the bill was meant to benefit only big, rich corporations. Therefore, we got all sorts of articles, obviously fed to journalists by left-wing think-tanks and Democratic politicos, claiming that the tax cuts aren't good or aren't performing as promised.

                              So, two weeks into a ten-year program, we are now hearing whining that all the promises of the broad-based reform haven't been fulfilled yet. (Eight years into Obamacare with nothing close to what was promised hasn't caught their attention – they're still telling us how good it is.)

                              It's a stupid thing for Democrats to keep holding onto this mythology, because they are about to be swamped by events.

                              ....a New York Times article whose purpose is to deride bonuses and tax cuts, claiming that the prime beneficiary is solely the greedy rich, particularly the corporations. It's a narrative that's pretty close to what House minority leader Nancy Pelosi has been saying, in her claims that corporations are only handing out crumbs and pretty much keeping all the tax gains for themselves. The article tries to portray corporations as evil and greedy and keeping too much for themselves, while the bonuses are just dog biscuits to the public. Naturally, the government is never greedy when Democrats want to take so much money and power for themselves – just corporations.

                              Somehow, Democrats don't seem to care that over half Americans in surveys don't have so much as a small savings nest egg to pay for emergencies, so my guess is that the millions of these same Americans who have gotten bonuses along with the many who have gotten raises (think of how many people Walmart alone employs) are happy that they have gotten these bonuses after eight years of Obama and essentially flat wages. A bonus of $1,000 is certainly better than zero, which is what they would have gotten had the Democrats gotten their way.

                              We will see the media continually, on behalf of Democrats, diminish the effects of tax reform and cuts on economic growth, because, after all, there is always an election coming up. People and businesses doing well do not help the Democrats win. That is the goal: power for the Democrats instead of the people.


                              http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...s_pan_out.html
                              People off the dole is one of the worst things for Democrats.

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                              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                                People off the dole is one of the worst things for Democrats.
                                The "D" is for disabled.

                                Disabled bought & paid for by Demorats

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