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  • Are we surprised that the results of another grand liberal idea was death and madness ?

    We shouldn't be.

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    Not only are we looking into it, and not only is it part of the cause of our call for [Scott Israels] incompetence, in the legislation that were about to propose were doing away with what we call the No-Arrest policy. They call it something nice and flowery like the PROMISE program. Its not a promise program. What it is is allowing kids who are constantly engaged in its supposed to only be misdemeanor behavior, but how does the school personnel know if the law enforcement isnt called? Its felony behavior, and numerous of those felonies were alleged against [Nikolas Cruz]. Nothing was done because of this PROMISE policy, and as a result we have this tremendous tragedy that were all suffering through.

    ...

    [Scott Israel is] investigating a deal that he made with the superintendent, that basically created under Obama a no-arrest policy. So he basically said, Dont tell me unless its a serious crime. Now we know that Cruz was bringing bullets, knives, all kinds of things to school. All of them were given to the Broward County Sheriffs Office, nothing was done. And now hes investigating whether that happened, too, after he basically entered into an agreement with the school board not to tell him.

    Michelle Malkin speculated on the relationship between the PROMISE program and the inability of local school authorities or law enforcement to prevent Nikolas Cruz from carrying out his mass murder despite repeated red flags and warnings:

    The link between the social justice school administrators who adopted those radical left-wing policies subsidized by federal tax dollars that have the aim and goal of eradicating any kind of disproportionate reporting actions on these campuses because too many Latino and black students were being reported. So what did they do instead? Report no one. Its not a big leap to think that that attitude seeped into the Broward County deputies that were assigned to patrol the school and school resource office, as well. It just goes to show that political correctness always has bloody consequences. We knew that when it came to jihad. How many other school districts have adopted these same conflict resolution policies that result in looking the other way at clear menaces?

    ...



    http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2018/..._medium=social

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    • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
      Are we surprised that the results of another grand liberal idea was death and madness ?

      We shouldn't be.

      -----------------------------------------------------

      ...

      Not only are we looking into it, and not only is it part of the cause of our call for [Scott Israels] incompetence, in the legislation that were about to propose were doing away with what we call the No-Arrest policy. They call it something nice and flowery like the PROMISE program. Its not a promise program. What it is is allowing kids who are constantly engaged in its supposed to only be misdemeanor behavior, but how does the school personnel know if the law enforcement isnt called? Its felony behavior, and numerous of those felonies were alleged against [Nikolas Cruz]. Nothing was done because of this PROMISE policy, and as a result we have this tremendous tragedy that were all suffering through.

      ...

      [Scott Israel is] investigating a deal that he made with the superintendent, that basically created under Obama a no-arrest policy. So he basically said, Dont tell me unless its a serious crime. Now we know that Cruz was bringing bullets, knives, all kinds of things to school. All of them were given to the Broward County Sheriffs Office, nothing was done. And now hes investigating whether that happened, too, after he basically entered into an agreement with the school board not to tell him.

      Michelle Malkin speculated on the relationship between the PROMISE program and the inability of local school authorities or law enforcement to prevent Nikolas Cruz from carrying out his mass murder despite repeated red flags and warnings:

      The link between the social justice school administrators who adopted those radical left-wing policies subsidized by federal tax dollars that have the aim and goal of eradicating any kind of disproportionate reporting actions on these campuses because too many Latino and black students were being reported. So what did they do instead? Report no one. Its not a big leap to think that that attitude seeped into the Broward County deputies that were assigned to patrol the school and school resource office, as well. It just goes to show that political correctness always has bloody consequences. We knew that when it came to jihad. How many other school districts have adopted these same conflict resolution policies that result in looking the other way at clear menaces?

      ...



      http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2018/..._medium=social
      There are some positive signs out there on top of the companies boycotting the NRA we now have Dick's Sporting Goods doing the socially responsible thing. They will no longer be selling the AR-15. https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc.../#76edac827809

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      • Originally posted by redrover View Post

        There are some positive signs out there on top of the companies boycotting the NRA we now have Dick's Sporting Goods doing the socially responsible thing. They will no longer be selling the AR-15. https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc.../#76edac827809
        Yeah, boycott the NRA.. bring in even more members LOL

        Few care about dicks or ar-15's, so a lot of noise about nothing.


        Politicising this is foolish and it's hurting the left.

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        After the Parkland, Fla., high school shooting, several prominent companies ended their businesses relationships with the National Rifle Association and some are facing backlash in public opinion, according to a new poll.

        A Morning Consult survey of 2,201 U.S. adults conducted Feb. 23-25 found increases in negative views of businesses that severed ties with the NRA after consumers learned of them. The polls margin of error is plus or minus 2 percentage points.


        ...

        https://morningconsult.com/2018/02/2...ties-with-nra/

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        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

          Yeah, boycott the NRA.. bring in even more members LOL

          Few care about dicks or ar-15's, so a lot of noise about nothing.


          Politicising this is foolish and it's hurting the left.

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          After the Parkland, Fla., high school shooting, several prominent companies ended their businesses relationships with the National Rifle Association and some are facing backlash in public opinion, according to a new poll.

          A Morning Consult survey of 2,201 U.S. adults conducted Feb. 23-25 found increases in negative views of businesses that severed ties with the NRA after consumers learned of them. The polls margin of error is plus or minus 2 percentage points.


          ...

          https://morningconsult.com/2018/02/2...ties-with-nra/
          The true test will be with the bottom line. I have favorable opinions of many companies I never do business with just based upon reputation I guess.

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          • Originally posted by redrover View Post
            The true test will be with the bottom line. I have favorable opinions of many companies I never do business with just based upon reputation I guess.
            Yeah, I boycott but probably like a lot of people - not very consistently.

            If I boycotted and refused to use every company or product that did or said something I disagree with, I don't know ?

            I'd probably be richer and have nowhere to spend my money LOL

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            • Originally posted by redrover View Post

              There are some positive signs out there on top of the companies boycotting the NRA we now have Dick's Sporting Goods doing the socially responsible thing. They will no longer be selling the AR-15. https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc.../#76edac827809
              Dick's CEO is just a shill. He banned them after Sandy Hook and then when the heat died down they started selling them again.

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              • As I've been saying over & over, our dependence and belief that the government, laws or 'officials' will always keep us safe is foolish.

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                In the aftermath of the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida, we see an almost breathtaking cascading of failures by the various government agencies we've authorized to protect us.

                Cascading failures occur in interdependent systems, where the failure of one component leads to the failure of other components, eventually ending in catastrophe. In the case of an airplane, the failure may be either mechanical or human, such as icing on a wing preventing lift, the pilot trying to correct for the disruption of airflow over the wing's surface by pointing the plane up, further reducing lift and causing a stall.

                In the case of the Parkland high school shooting, the cascade of failures began at the very top of government, with Barack Obama and his push to reduce the number of disruptive students sent into the "school-to-prison pipeline."

                Like so many feel-good leftist initiatives, the unintended consequences of this Obama policy contributed to disaster.

                "Beginning in 2013, Broward stopped referring students to police for about a dozen infractions ranging from alcohol and drug use to bullying, harassment and assault. Instead, students who get in trouble for those infractions are offered an alternative program that emphasizes counseling, conflict resolution skills and referral to community social service agencies." The article noted that Barack Obama hailed Broward County as a "national model" for his new initiative, having reduced arrests in Broward schools from 1,057 in the 2011-12 academic year to 392 in the 2015-16 academic year.

                Nikolas Cruz, the Parkland killer, according to disciplinary records obtained by a local news station, was involved in an assault at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School on January 19, 2017 more than a year before his shooting rampage. However, he was not arrested. Instead, he was subject to a "threat assessment" by the school district and removed from the school three weeks later.

                ..citing law enforcement sources, Cruz purchased ten firearms in the past year. That would be the year after the January 2017 assault occurred. Had he been arrested and convicted for felony assault, those firearms purchases would presumably not have been possible, per federal gun law. Additionally, in January 2013, police were called to Cruz's home when he assaulted his mother after she took away his Xbox at age 14. He was handcuffed and put in the back of a police car until he calmed down. Had he been charged in that incident, even with a misdemeanor, federal gun law would have prevented his purchasing firearms based on a misdemeanor domestic assault provision in the law.

                Then you have Florida's "Baker Act," which allows for the involuntary examination and commitment to a mental health facility of persons whose behavior demonstrates potential harm to themselves or others. The act appeared designed specifically for people like Nikolas Cruz. Despite police notifications that Cruz was cutting himself in September 2016 and posting pictures of it to Snapchat, no effort was made to commit him. Involuntary commitment to a mental health facility would also have precluded his purchasing firearms.

                Our problem in society is not guns. It is the expectation that government will take care of us and our children. We need to take our society off auto-pilot to avoid the cascading failures.


                https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...overnment.html

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                Nikolas Cruz's psychosis ended in a bloody massacre not only because of the stunning incompetence of the Broward County Sheriff's Department. It was also the result of liberal insanity ...

                School and law enforcement officials knew Cruz was a ticking time bomb. They did nothing because of a deliberate, willful, bragged-about policy to end the "school-to-prison pipeline."

                If Cruz had taken out full-page ads in the local newspapers, he could not have demonstrated more clearly that he was a dangerous psychotic. He assaulted students, cursed out teachers, kicked in classroom doors, started fist fights, threw chairs, threatened to kill other students, mutilated small animals, pulled a rifle on his mother, drank gasoline and cut himself, among other "red flags."

                Over and over again, students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School reported Cruz's terrifying behavior to school administrators, including Kelvin Greenleaf, "security specialist," and Peter Mahmood, head of JROTC.

                At least three students showed school administrators Cruz's near-constant messages threatening to kill them -- e.g., "I am going to enjoy seeing you down on the grass," "Im going to watch ypu bleed," "iam going to shoot you dead including one that came with a photo of Cruzs guns. They warned school authorities that he was bringing weapons to school. They filed written reports.

                Threatening to kill someone is a felony. In addition to locking Cruz away for a while, having a felony record would have prevented him from purchasing a gun.

                All the school had to do was risk Cruz not going to college, and depriving Yale University of a Latino class member, by reporting a few of his felonies -- and there would have been no mass shooting.

                But Cruz was never arrested. He wasn't referred to law enforcement. He wasn't even expelled.

                Instead, Cruz was just moved around from school to school -- six transfers in three years. But he was always sent back to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School,..

                The moronic idea behind the "school-to-prison pipeline" is that the only reason so many "black and brown bodies" are in prison is because they were disciplined in high school, diminishing their opportunities. End the discipline and ... problem solved!

                It's like "The Wizard of Oz" in reverse. The Wizard told the Scarecrow: You don't need an education, you just need a diploma! The school-to-prison pipeline idiocy tells students: You don't need to behave in high school, you just need to leave with no criminal record!

                Of course, killjoys will say that removing the consequences of bad behavior only encourages more bad behavior. But that's not the view of Learned Professionals..

                In a stroke of genius, they realized that the only problem criminals have is that people keep lists of their criminal activities. It's the list that prevents them from getting into M.I.T. and designing space stations on Mars. Where they will cure cancer.

                This primitive, stone-age thinking was made official Broward County policy in a Nov. 5, 2013, agreement titled "Collaborative Agreement on School Discipline."

                When it comes to spectacular crimes, it's usually hard to say how it could have been prevented. But in this case, we have a paper trail. In the pursuit of a demented ideology, specific people agreed not to report, arrest or prosecute dangerous students like Nikolas Cruz.

                These were the parties to the Nov. 5, 2013, agreement that ensured Cruz would be out on the street with full access to firearms:

                Robert W. Runcie, Superintendent of Schools

                Peter M. Weinstein, Chief Judge of the 17th Judicial Circuit

                Michael J. Satz, State Attorney

                Howard Finkelstein, Public Defender

                Scott Israel, Broward County Sheriff

                Franklin Adderley, Chief of the Fort Lauderdale Police Department

                Wansley Walters, Secretary of the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice

                Marsha Ellison, President of the Fort Lauderdale Branch of the NAACP and Chair of the Juvenile Justice Advisory Board


                Nikolas Cruz may be crazy, but the parties to that agreement are crazy, too. They decided to make high school students their guinea pigs for an experiment based on a noxious ideology. The blood of 17 people is on their hands.



                http://www.anncoulter.com/

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                • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                  You can take this to the bank. There will be absolutely no arming of teachers. Sooner or later Twinkle toes Trump is going to have to come back to earth. Right now it's hard enough to get school districts to pay for paper let alone weapons training for teachers. I see that Twinkly wants to arm 40% of teachers which would mean we would have more armed teachers in this country than armed police officers. Brilliant.
                  Just because implementing it is complicated by other foolish policy choices (vastly overspending on some things from which no benefit is derived by students), or just
                  stupid, reactionary opposition with no rational basis. does not render an otherwise good idea a bad one.

                  The reason you have trouble for school districts to pay for paper is because they overcompensate teachers (particular on their pension benefits) and have far too many teachers (the number of teachers per student has risen dramatically over the last 50 years with absolutely no impact on the quality of education received).

                  BTW, you tell us more about yourself than Trump by your rather stupid and juvenile name calling. Try growing up a bit yourself.

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                  • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                    Those who propose the arming of teachers are counting on finding the 4% of teachers who would be vetted as "able to go into the breach". Teachers that had previous (and successful) experience dealing with deadly violence. Am I being optimistic at 4%? Probably a good argument, but what is certain is that it won't be anywhere close to 40%. The most frustrating part of this latest dysfunction, is how this "idea" might be the one and only proposal. Universal background checks, with a method for local law enforcement to get the seriously disturbed into a national database? That will fall off the radar in favor of the "wait and shoot' fantasy. Hope I'm wrong, but decisions made by DC in recent years point right down the rabbit hole.
                    If we cannot find so much as 5-10% of teachers in any given school who lack the emotional fortitude and intelligence to be capable of being trained in defending the students of their school in such instances, it speaks more poorly of the people we are hiring as teachers than it does the idea itself.

                    How about we stop with the foolishness that one needs a degree in teaching to be a physical education teacher, and we can move to hiring retired military and law enforcement personal to do those jobs (with a modicum of additional training for that work) and let them be armed. They tend to retire at younger ages than the general population, and it could be done with very little additional cost.

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                    • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

                      If we cannot find so much as 5-10% of teachers in any given school who lack the emotional fortitude and intelligence to be capable of being trained in defending the students of their school in such instances, it speaks more poorly of the people we are hiring as teachers than it does the idea itself.

                      How about we stop with the foolishness that one needs a degree in teaching to be a physical education teacher, and we can move to hiring retired military and law enforcement personal to do those jobs (with a modicum of additional training for that work) and let them be armed. They tend to retire at younger ages than the general population, and it could be done with very little additional cost.
                      I am not going to address the lameness of this idea. All I will say is that it's never going to happen for reasons that should be obvious to anyone not living in fantasyland. Here in the real world Walmart has announced that they are no longer sell guns to people under 21. Shocking move from republicans favorite retailer. Actually the stopped selling assault rifles in 20015. It just means that child killers will just have to get their mommies to buy their guns for them.https://www.wsj.com/articles/walmart...-21-1519863036

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                      • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                        I am not going to address the lameness of this idea. All I will say is that it's never going to happen for reasons that should be obvious to anyone not living in fantasyland. Here in the real world Walmart has announced that they are no longer sell guns to people under 21. Shocking move from republicans favorite retailer. Actually the stopped selling assault rifles in 20015. It just means that child killers will just have to get their mommies to buy their guns for them.https://www.wsj.com/articles/walmart...-21-1519863036
                        There are school districts in many states that already have armed teachers with concealed carry licenses. There are three or four here in Missouri. I know that Argyle Texas is another.

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.cddeaf7fedcb

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                        • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                          I am not going to address the lameness of this idea. All I will say is that it's never going to happen for reasons that should be obvious to anyone not living in fantasyland. Here in the real world Walmart has announced that they are no longer sell guns to people under 21. Shocking move from republicans favorite retailer. Actually the stopped selling assault rifles in 20015. It just means that child killers will just have to get their mommies to buy their guns for them.https://www.wsj.com/articles/walmart...-21-1519863036
                          Yup, you're right as usual ! It's never gonna happen - rover said so & so it is !

                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          There are school districts in many states that already have armed teachers with concealed carry licenses. There are three or four here in Missouri. I know that Argyle Texas is another.

                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.cddeaf7fedcb
                          Oh, .. well was this on our fantasyland or rovers ?

                          I'm all confused !

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                          • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                            There are school districts in many states that already have armed teachers with concealed carry licenses. There are three or four here in Missouri. I know that Argyle Texas is another.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.cddeaf7fedcb
                            ARming teachers in Missouri might work because people their don't seem to mind when cops shoot people without cause so why would they squawk when a teacher shoots a student. Did you see the sub link in your post where the Connecticut teacher got into trouble for bringing a gun to school. Of course we know civilization hasn't reached your part of the country yet has it?

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                            • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                              ARming teachers in Missouri might work because people their don't seem to mind when cops shoot people without cause so why would they squawk when a teacher shoots a student. Did you see the sub link in your post where the Connecticut teacher got into trouble for bringing a gun to school. Of course we know civilization hasn't reached your part of the country yet has it?
                              Another Texas School District Arms Employees to Protect Our Children

                              http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2018/...tect-children/

                              Kentucky School District Votes Unanimously to Arm Teachers for School Safety

                              http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...school-safety/

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                              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                                I am not going to address the lameness of this idea. All I will say is that it's never going to happen for reasons that should be obvious to anyone not living in fantasyland. Here in the real world Walmart has announced that they are no longer sell guns to people under 21. Shocking move from republicans favorite retailer. Actually the stopped selling assault rifles in 20015. It just means that child killers will just have to get their mommies to buy their guns for them.https://www.wsj.com/articles/walmart...-21-1519863036
                                Wrong again, so typically, predictably wrong. Pathetic.

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