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  • Originally posted by redrover View Post

    Yes buy back all guns.
    How do you force people to sell their guns and not buy any more?

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    • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
      So far they are sounding like good little fascists.
      As they should, it's who they are.

      Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
      I love that these kids are still being portrayed by the left-wing media as grass roots, spontaneous inspirations. Raise your hand if you think they paid for the private jet rode from Florida to DC by having a bake sale!
      I don't think there were even many kids at this event.

      Some maybe, but not the numbers we're being told.

      Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
      The sad part is that these little dolts genuinely believe their enablers and handlers give a rats ass what they think or respect them. I guarantee you, several of these kids at least will become rather addicted to the attention (they have been getting the rock start treatment...probably flying in private jets for the first...and last...time in their lives) and will simply assume that they are now part of the nation's punditry and will start to speak out on all sorts of issues, which they know equally as little about, and will look even more foolish.
      We should feel sorry that they are being used and abused by the very sick people who make up the left.

      These are kids that should be protected from this kind of mental & emotional manipulation.

      Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
      Hell, Hogg has already deigned to way in on the constitutionality of being required by their school to use clear book bags (for safety and security reasons). He has deemed it an unconstitutional violation of their right to privacy. What an idiot. The school has the right to friggin' search any and all bags or persons coming into the school, or even to ban any such bags outright, and this guy (who is happy to see a right of the people that actually appears in the Constitution) believes it to violate a right that appears NO WHERE in the Constitution.

      I can't wait to hear their views on immigration, welfare policy, the Mueller investigation, energy policy, etc....
      Morons will have another march or rally, yell and scream and accomplish nothing.

      Good for them.

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      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

        As they should, it's who they are.
        Well, true, this are the morally vacuous fools who like to equate a border wall with the Iron Curtain, seemingly unable (or unwilling) to understand the fundamental distinction between a wall designed to control who can come IN, and one designed to keep their own people trapped and unable to get OUT.



        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
        I don't think there were even many kids at this event.

        Some maybe, but not the numbers we're being told.
        They were too busy making up unrealistic (if not willfully dishonest) overall attendance numbers to do even a cursory demographic survey of the attendees


        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
        We should feel sorry that they are being used and abused by the very sick people who make up the left.

        These are kids that should be protected from this kind of mental & emotional manipulation.
        Well, that is their parent's job. But I am sorry, there is a spectrum of moral and intellectual accountability as we get older. If we let them drive potentially deadly weapons (more "children" kill and are killed being behind the wheel of automobiles than by shootings--mass or otherwise), then we can expect a certainly level of common sense, and basic moral sensibility.

        My father reminded me that I should be more forgiving and tolerant of their rather despicable and morally questionable rants because they are still in many ways just kids. It was pointed out by one columnist, statements by some of these kids reflect the worst of our political discourse and far from the best, Hogg for example flat out argued that if you disagree with him you WANT children to continue being killed. He is either intellectually unable, or unwiling to recognize (as is usually the case in disagreements over matters of public policy) that people on both sides of an issue can be equally well-intentioned. That poisons the well for any thoughtful, rational attempts to come to effective compromises.

        And of course the left loves using children as props, and victimized children who can actually speak for themselves (parroting the left's exact views on an issue) is the trifecta!

        They did same thing with Cindy Sheehan, a woman of somewhat questionable mental stability, who they shrouded in a cloak of false moral authority because she was rantingly anti-war, and psychotically anti-Bush...

        Notice how only those screaming from the left are conferred moral authority by the death of children in war, but the hundreds of thousands of "gold star moms" who are nonetheless conservative are simply ignored.

        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
        Morons will have another march or rally, yell and scream and accomplish nothing.

        Good for them.
        Actually, there is something that several pundits (including Newt) have highlighted to varying degrees, both in the protests around the inaugural and this most recent set of rallies. The left has for decades built and maintained a standing "demonstration infrastructure" which the right has failed to replicate (generally through lack of understanding and effort). With the rise of social media, the right has simply assumed that such things (which the left has done an amazing job of pretending are "spontaneous" and "grass roots" driven) can be easily replicated with the tools of social media. They are wrong. Yes, it can be successful (like the Tea Party), but in order to be able to repeatedly and consistently, you need a mass of people (I would be willing to bet that a huge portion of the turnout at all of these events on the left are actually the same core group of permanent protesters, as well as standing, groups that have the financial means and organizational experience to handle logistics for getting these events organized quickly (which on the left includes a number of Soros-backed groups). If you want an example of this, look no further than MoveOn.org, which was ostensibly set up to defend the Clinton's during the Monica Lewinski debacle, and is still around, bigger and more active then ever (ironically bearing the same name as it did when created to convince people to "move on" 20 years ago).

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        • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

          Well, true, this are the morally vacuous fools who like to equate a border wall with the Iron Curtain, seemingly unable (or unwilling) to understand the fundamental distinction between a wall designed to control who can come IN, and one designed to keep their own people trapped and unable to get OUT.





          They were too busy making up unrealistic (if not willfully dishonest) overall attendance numbers to do even a cursory demographic survey of the attendees




          Well, that is their parent's job. But I am sorry, there is a spectrum of moral and intellectual accountability as we get older. If we let them drive potentially deadly weapons (more "children" kill and are killed being behind the wheel of automobiles than by shootings--mass or otherwise), then we can expect a certainly level of common sense, and basic moral sensibility.

          My father reminded me that I should be more forgiving and tolerant of their rather despicable and morally questionable rants because they are still in many ways just kids. It was pointed out by one columnist, statements by some of these kids reflect the worst of our political discourse and far from the best, Hogg for example flat out argued that if you disagree with him you WANT children to continue being killed. He is either intellectually unable, or unwiling to recognize (as is usually the case in disagreements over matters of public policy) that people on both sides of an issue can be equally well-intentioned. That poisons the well for any thoughtful, rational attempts to come to effective compromises.

          And of course the left loves using children as props, and victimized children who can actually speak for themselves (parroting the left's exact views on an issue) is the trifecta!

          They did same thing with Cindy Sheehan, a woman of somewhat questionable mental stability, who they shrouded in a cloak of false moral authority because she was rantingly anti-war, and psychotically anti-Bush...

          Notice how only those screaming from the left are conferred moral authority by the death of children in war, but the hundreds of thousands of "gold star moms" who are nonetheless conservative are simply ignored.



          Actually, there is something that several pundits (including Newt) have highlighted to varying degrees, both in the protests around the inaugural and this most recent set of rallies. The left has for decades built and maintained a standing "demonstration infrastructure" which the right has failed to replicate (generally through lack of understanding and effort). With the rise of social media, the right has simply assumed that such things (which the left has done an amazing job of pretending are "spontaneous" and "grass roots" driven) can be easily replicated with the tools of social media. They are wrong. Yes, it can be successful (like the Tea Party), but in order to be able to repeatedly and consistently, you need a mass of people (I would be willing to bet that a huge portion of the turnout at all of these events on the left are actually the same core group of permanent protesters, as well as standing, groups that have the financial means and organizational experience to handle logistics for getting these events organized quickly (which on the left includes a number of Soros-backed groups). If you want an example of this, look no further than MoveOn.org, which was ostensibly set up to defend the Clinton's during the Monica Lewinski debacle, and is still around, bigger and more active then ever (ironically bearing the same name as it did when created to convince people to "move on" 20 years ago).
          I don't know what Monica has to do with school shootings but I do know that the people involved in mass shootings are gun owners, Most of them law abiding gun owners until they decided they wanted to commit mass murder.I understand why a bunch of kids would be tired of living in anticipation of the next shooting.

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          • Originally posted by redrover View Post
            I don't know what Monica has to do with school shootings but I do know that the people involved in mass shootings are gun owners, Most of them law abiding gun owners until they decided they wanted to commit mass murder.I understand why a bunch of kids would be tired of living in anticipation of the next shooting.
            Which by the way, are always more vulnerable to being shot and killed because of the idiotic ideas of liberals like yourself.

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            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

              Which by the way, are always more vulnerable to being shot and killed because of the idiotic ideas of liberals like yourself.
              Y ou are far more likely to shoot up a school than I am. I thought interesting that only about 10%of the people participating in the march for our lives were teens. They say the average age was 49 and there were a lot of women.http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendme...ers-teenagers/

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              • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                Your argument remains weak.

                More laws will do nothing to stop events like this. They're not the magical solution you imagine. That our law enforcers are too stupid, incompetent, asleep, high on drugs - whatever to enforce our laws, is evident in more ways than THIS issue alone.

                We have to stop dreaming and apply real solutions to this problem.

                And we will when we finally get tired of our kids getting killed.

                Until then, enjoy the show you lovers of the macabre -winks-

                Myself, I think it's kinda sick, but hey diff'rent strokes and all...
                We go around this issue, to go back to your non-plan, then? Schools as forts. Or a super hero that can make contact with Twitchy on the larger school campus, before the shooter takes out students. That actually happened once, recently. The rest of the time, that non-plan failed.

                Adjudicating incompetents and sanctions against those who would provide them firearms. That would have saved a few dozen lives, had it been applied some years back. As with the law against homicide, it doesn't prevent all murders. But it cuts down on the tendency and gives law enforcement a place to start. See how that works, better than anarchistic moralism?

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                • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                  We go around this issue, to go back to your non-plan, then? Schools as forts. Or a super hero that can make contact with Twitchy on the larger school campus, before the shooter takes out students. That actually happened once, recently. The rest of the time, that non-plan failed.

                  Adjudicating incompetents and sanctions against those who would provide them firearms. That would have saved a few dozen lives, had it been applied some years back. As with the law against homicide, it doesn't prevent all murders. But it cuts down on the tendency and gives law enforcement a place to start. See how that works, better than anarchistic moralism?
                  May work...

                  IF you have so much faith in "law enforcement."

                  I don't know how one could after the incident that inspired this thread.

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                  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                    May work...

                    IF you have so much faith in "law enforcement."

                    I don't know how one could after the incident that inspired this thread.
                    The fact is laws do work. You don't need a cop at every stop light to get the vast majority of people to follow the law because they understand that the law is there for a good reason. Republicans seem to think laws are created to deny them freedom.

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                    • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                      The fact is laws do work. You don't need a cop at every stop light to get the vast majority of people to follow the law because they understand that the law is there for a good reason. Republicans seem to think laws are created to deny them freedom.
                      I don't know why you'd say that.

                      "Republicans" like demorats write loop-holes for themselves around "laws." The D & R crowd in DC legalize their criminal behaviour this way ! This way they, and WE believe these people are legitimate leaders LOL... when they're scum !

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                      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                        I don't know why you'd say that.

                        "Republicans" like demorats write loop-holes for themselves around "laws." The D & R crowd in DC legalize their criminal behaviour this way ! This way they, and WE believe these people are legitimate leaders LOL... when they're scum !
                        Why, if enuf voters pay attention, we'd vote in representatives who would reform the system, making everyone subject to all the laws, most of the time. Exception: James Bond spy stuff; I can't say any more because it is classified. Seriously, though, that reform has to come before almost all others. It would have weight, since very few elected gummint officials could claim they were performing "espionage services" for the US at any given time. Nearly impossible for elected officials who are only serving the US in some domestic (not foreign) capacity.

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                        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                          May work...

                          IF you have so much faith in "law enforcement."

                          I don't know how one could after the incident that inspired this thread.
                          The particular incident that inspired this thread gives one reason to doubt the "volunteer security" option for schools would slow this problem down. Especially since it was "trained, professional security" that was part of the failure.

                          Look at "clearance" of homicide cases, for examples of what happens in general, versus what can happen if resources are properly focused. Link:
                          "Take, for example, homicides of police officers in the course of their duty," he says. On paper, they're the kind of homicide that's hardest to solve — "they're frequently done in communities that generally have low clearance rates. ... They're stranger-to-stranger homicides; they [have] high potential of retaliation [for] witnesses." And yet, Wellford says, they're almost always cleared.

                          What that tells Wellford is that clearance rates are a matter of priorities.

                          Wellford says Americans should also understand that while the national rate is in the 60s, the local rates vary widely. But because the FBI doesn't publish local agencies' numbers, these differences are often invisible to the public.
                          https://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/39506...-go-unresolved

                          In that sense, this problem resembles the issue of public education. There are clear examples of how excellence is achieved, by category of people (police) or local examples of high performance. The problem might be too much faith in federal government to solve some problems, over local gov't. (a few of them have obviously done a much better job than the feds). Also, we need to treat all categories of children as deserving of the same (basic) level of security as well as education. We didn't get media reports of municipalities that identified and isolated local Twitchies the shooter, thereby preventing school shootings in their locality.

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                          • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                            The particular incident that inspired this thread gives one reason to doubt the "volunteer security" option for schools would slow this problem down. Especially since it was "trained, professional security" that was part of the failure.

                            Look at "clearance" of homicide cases, for examples of what happens in general, versus what can happen if resources are properly focused. Link:

                            https://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/39506...-go-unresolved

                            In that sense, this problem resembles the issue of public education. There are clear examples of how excellence is achieved, by category of people (police) or local examples of high performance. The problem might be too much faith in federal government to solve some problems, over local gov't. (a few of them have obviously done a much better job than the feds). Also, we need to treat all categories of children as deserving of the same (basic) level of security as well as education. We didn't get media reports of municipalities that identified and isolated local Twitchies the shooter, thereby preventing school shootings in their locality.
                            The school had no armed, trained professional "security" on location. The school had no one armed at all.

                            The shooter had plenty of time to kill a lot of kids because of this fact.

                            This person shouldn't have had weapons and it was a failure of adults,...... from the parents, school officials, law enforcement all the way to the FBI...... that allowed this to occur.

                            Adults who made many poor decisions and judgments that were questionable at best, liable at worst.

                            Adults in "authority."

                            People that administer and enforce laws. . . which mean nothing during occurrences like this.

                            More laws are not the answer.

                            Someone armed and willing must be there, that is a fact that will save kids from being killed.

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                            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                              The school had no armed, trained professional "security" on location. The school had no one armed at all.

                              The shooter had plenty of time to kill a lot of kids because of this fact.

                              This person shouldn't have had weapons and it was a failure of adults,...... from the parents, school officials, law enforcement all the way to the FBI...... that allowed this to occur.

                              Adults who made many poor decisions and judgments that were questionable at best, liable at worst.

                              Adults in "authority."

                              People that administer and enforce laws. . . which mean nothing during occurrences like this.

                              More laws are not the answer.

                              Someone armed and willing must be there, that is a fact that will save kids from being killed.
                              If laws are not the answer maybe mocking the survivors is the way to go. If you don't mind losing sponsors. Don't worry if Laura gets fired Trump will make her Atorney general.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8282101.html

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                              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                                If laws are not the answer maybe mocking the survivors is the way to go. If you don't mind losing sponsors. Don't worry if Laura gets fired Trump will make her Atorney general.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8282101.html
                                I doubt it, why would he ?

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