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  • #16
    Originally posted by HawkeyeDJ View Post
    He had the AR-15 because it was perfectly legal for him to own it. There was no crime until the moment he started pulling the trigger. Same with the Vegas shooter. 100% lawful until people started dying. And we will make no laws that impede anyone from pulling the trigger. Land of the free! 'Merica!
    And making things illegal will fix them, is that right ?

    Let's make or change a law...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

      And making things illegal will fix them, is that right ?

      Let's make or change a law...
      Laws work when you have governments that are intent on enforcing the laws rather than always looking for novel ways of subverting the law. No other country on the face of the earth has this problem to the degree America does. Kids grow up so fast and move on so fast but an R-15 is forever. Parents need to learn to not to grow too fond of their children. Paul Ryan says that now is not the time for a knee jerk response. It's time for more study and investigation. Let's investigate then do absolutely nothing. Paul Ryan had no trouble passing a knee jerk tax cut that took took two weeks to craft.In the midterm elections we have a clear choice between children and guns. Can't have both.Keep the guns and get rid of the kids and save all that tax money spent on schools.I wonder if a fear of getting shot is contributing to the teacher shortage?https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/healt...rnd/index.html

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      • #18
        Originally posted by redrover View Post
        Laws work when you have governments that are intent on enforcing the laws rather than always looking for novel ways of subverting the law. No other country on the face of the earth has this problem to the degree America does. Kids grow up so fast and move on so fast but an R-15 is forever. Parents need to learn to not to grow too fond of their children. Paul Ryan says that now is not the time for a knee jerk response. It's time for more study and investigation. Let's investigate then do absolutely nothing. Paul Ryan had no trouble passing a knee jerk tax cut that took took two weeks to craft.In the midterm elections we have a clear choice between children and guns. Can't have both.Keep the guns and get rid of the kids and save all that tax money spent on schools.I wonder if a fear of getting shot is contributing to the teacher shortage?https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/healt...rnd/index.html
        They haven't been so great at enforcing those "gun free" zones - like at schools - that's for certain.

        These wonderful laws have made sure that when nuts intent on murdering as many as possible go to these zones, they can kill freely.

        Great what law does isn't it ?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

          They haven't been so great at enforcing those "gun free" zones - like at schools - that's for certain.

          These wonderful laws have made sure that when nuts intent on murdering as many as possible go to these zone they can kill freely.

          Great what law does isn't it ?
          The NRA is willing to hand out big bucks who are willing to legislate wisely on the issue. Isn't it funny if an immigrant kills someone we have to build a twenty five billion dollar wall to keep the country safe but have a mass murder with guns let's step back and study the issue for a while longer.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by redrover View Post

            The NRA is willing to hand out big bucks who are willing to legislate wisely on the issue. Isn't it funny if an immigrant kills someone we have to build a twenty five billion dollar wall to keep the country safe but have a mass murder with guns let's step back and study the issue for a while longer.
            Yes, we need more studies and we need more restrictions and such, it will make us safer I tell you !!

            Later if we can make guns go away, or at least make them illegal, all will be well I promise !! ...we need more gun free zones !! ...a great big one called America !!

            That will fix everything !

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

              And making things illegal will fix them, is that right ?

              Let's make or change a law...
              Legal determination of incompetence to own a firearm. Most people probably figure all states have those laws. They vary by state. Link:
              Ark. Code 5-73-103.

              No person shall possess or own any firearm who has been … adjudicated mentally ill or committed involuntarily to any mental institution.
              Conn. Gen. Stat. Ann. 53a-217c.

              A person is guilty of criminal possession of a pistol or revolver when such person possesses a pistol or revolver, as defined in section 29-27 and:

              Has been discharged from custody within the preceding twenty years after having been found not guilty of a crime by reason of mental disease or defect pursuant to section 53a-13; or

              Has been confined prior to October 1, 2013, in a hospital for persons with psychiatric disabilities, as defined in section 17a-495, within the preceding sixty months by order of probate court
              http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-a...tally-ill.aspx
              Arkansas has a decent law, to the point and simple, but they lack the same thing as the federal law (below). Connecticut law is just plain bizarre, using a date and intake (hospitalization) requirement that opens a giant loophole, on top of restricting the firearm to the category of a handgun.
              -Here is the federal law, fm same link:
              Under 18 U.S.C. 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
              The giant loophole here: To sell to someone, because they acted sane at the time they bought a firearm. They showed Elmer their state-issue ID's, it was a gun show, acted in sane fashion and they had cash. What more does Elmer need to know?

              Oh, I don't know, how about a universal background check requirement? Elmer might not like it, but it would help him keep his home, if or when the buyer is an adjudicated mental or criminal incompetent who uses the firearm to murder people. And the victim's family squeezes every last thing of value from Elmer's possession. Nope, Elmer now wants to wind back the clock, use a national database for instant qualification checks, and keep his material goods. That's about all it would take, adding the universal instant background requirement to Arkansas law. The rest would be all the dead weight in other state and federal laws, a matter of sending that paper in for recycling. No more civil lawsuits against morons who sold or provided a firearm to someone who "seemed like a good guy". Less law is better if it gets better results, and this would accomplish that goal.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                Legal determination of incompetence to own a firearm. Most people probably figure all states have those laws. They vary by state. Link:

                http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-a...tally-ill.aspx
                Arkansas has a decent law, to the point and simple, but they lack the same thing as the federal law (below). Connecticut law is just plain bizarre, using a date and intake (hospitalization) requirement that opens a giant loophole, on top of restricting the firearm to the category of a handgun.
                -Here is the federal law, fm same link:

                The giant loophole here: To sell to someone, because they acted sane at the time they bought a firearm. They showed Elmer their state-issue ID's, it was a gun show, acted in sane fashion and they had cash. What more does Elmer need to know?

                Oh, I don't know, how about a universal background check requirement? Elmer might not like it, but it would help him keep his home, if or when the buyer is an adjudicated mental or criminal incompetent who uses the firearm to murder people. And the victim's family squeezes every last thing of value from Elmer's possession. Nope, Elmer now wants to wind back the clock, use a national database for instant qualification checks, and keep his material goods. That's about all it would take, adding the universal instant background requirement to Arkansas law. The rest would be all the dead weight in other state and federal laws, a matter of sending that paper in for recycling. No more civil lawsuits against morons who sold or provided a firearm to someone who "seemed like a good guy". Less law is better if it gets better results, and this would accomplish that goal.
                True.

                My state has background checks. I question how successful this is, I have a feeling there are still plenty disturbed people who can access firearms.

                While these school massacres are very sad & heart-rending, it's interesting how many jump on the bandwagon of more gun control, more laws ... some even wanting the second amendment negated.

                Then I think about all the cops who have been purposely sought out and killed lately.

                Why has this happened ? It's happened at least in part because of police using excessive force to the point of brutality in some cases, many of which have been cell-phone filmed and put on the WWW for all to see. Of course some feel cops are picking on certain races too, which may or may not be true, but I'd bet people of those races would die fighting for their right to protect themselves with firearms - from the police even !

                While these incidents don't justify hunting down and killing cops, they do show that "authorities" are just people and can be corrupt, brutal, mean, bad, evil - what have you, like everybody else can be.

                So the idea of giving a few select "authorities" even more power over us by removing our right to self defense by this means, is a very foolish idea wouldn't you say ?

                Not to mention that there will always be people who are more than willing to ignore laws & arm themselves for whatever ...

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                • #23
                  This man is hated as much, or more than our president and vice president.

                  He had some interesting comments to offer concerning what happened yesterday and what has been happening lately in our country.

                  ... of course if you don't believe in God, you can laugh at this, say it's insane etc etc etc - we know the drill, we know what you have to offer - And the Devil smiled.

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                  Fox News Todd Starnes makes some great points in this piece he wrote "The Devil Smiled." Take a minute to read it and let me know what you think...

                  Another American high school has been turned into a killing field. And the nation wonders why.

                  Well, Im going to answer that question for you. And the answer may leave you a bit unsettled. You see I believe there is a God but I also believe there is a Devil. And I see his hand at work here.

                  Weve raised a generation to believe that truth is relative that there is no right or wrong.
                  And the Devil smiled.

                  They kicked God out of public schools banned Bibles and prayer.
                  And the Devil smiled.

                  Weve destroyed the traditional family broken homes raising broken kids.
                  And the Devil smiled.

                  There are no consequences for bad behavior no personal responsibility.
                  And the Devil smiled.

                  Our movies and music and games glorify violence and gore. Marriage vows poisoned by pornography.
                  And the Devil smiled.

                  What happened in Parkland, Florida is about wickedness a war with the forces of darkness good versus evil.
                  There is no doubt our land is wounded, her people suffering. But we have turned our backs on the One who promised to heal our Land.

                  The politicians and pundits would have you believe this is not about God, its not about righteousness. They would have you believe its about politics and mental illness and gun control.
                  And the Devil smiled.


                  https://www.facebook.com/FranklinGra...LBa_f8&fref=nf

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                    True.

                    My state has background checks. I question how successful this is, I have a feeling there are still plenty disturbed people who can access firearms.

                    While these school massacres are very sad & heart-rending, it's interesting how many jump on the bandwagon of more gun control, more laws ... some even wanting the second amendment negated.

                    Then I think about all the cops who have been purposely sought and killed lately.

                    Why has this happened ? It's happened at least in part because of police using excessive force to the point of brutality in some cases, many of which have been cell-phone filmed and put on the WWW for all to see. Of course some feel cops are picking on certain races too, which may or may not be true, but I'd bet people of those races would die fighting for their right to protect themselves with firearms - from the police even !

                    While these incidents don't justify hunting down and killing cops, they do show that "authorities" are just people and can be corrupt, brutal, mean, bad, evil - what have you, like everybody else can be.

                    So the idea of giving a few select "authorities" even more power over us by removing our right to self defense by this means, is a very foolish idea wouldn't you say ?

                    Not to mention that there will always be people who are more than willing to ignore laws & arm themselves for whatever ...
                    Many good points. The universal background check would be an improvement, but there are often ways to "game the system". In this case, law enforcement could have reacted to Cruz' claims (when investigated), by requesting a psychiatric evaluation. Threats of bodily harm being the reason. After a diagnosis of serious mental illness, a check to see if he had firearms in a well-maintained national database (and a search warrant), remove the firearms and assign a caseworker if Cruz remains free. Under the present system, law enforcement has to look at their own state's law, figure out if they have an accurate database to indicate whether the subject has a firearm, and coordinate a medical and legal spaghetti bowl before they can act. No wonder a few "fall thru the cracks". ...As we have seen, a few is all it takes. We should be able to cut that down another 80%, with some good planning and execution of reform.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by HawkeyeDJ View Post

                      He had the AR-15 because it was perfectly legal for him to own it. There was no crime until the moment he started pulling the trigger. Same with the Vegas shooter. 100% lawful until people started dying. And we will make no laws that impede anyone from pulling the trigger. Land of the free! 'Merica!
                      It seems laws cannot stop someone like that from pulling the trigger. No more than laws can stop people from using meth. There is a commonality here with guns and illegal drugs. There is no way in hell the gov't could ever confiscate america's guns. And as long as there are guns, there will be kids who get them, are mentally ill, and will kill of kids in school. You could minimize it by locking all schools down from the beginning of the school day until the end. I find it odd that when my now retired public school wife taught for 12 years at the alternative school here, when I went to visit her, a security guard or someone from the office would unlock the door and let me in. If they can do it there, they can do it in regular public schools. If the layout of the school allowed it. Our new school here which is about to open here in the county could be locked down. The damned thing like all new public schools in Ms. look astoundingly like a new prison. As if built of the same materials and cosmetics. They look to be designed to keep people locked up and well as the world being locked out.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                        This man is hated as much, or more than our president and vice president.

                        He had some interesting comments to offer concerning what happened yesterday and what has been happening lately in our country.

                        ... of course if you don't believe in God, you can laugh at this, say it's insane etc etc etc - we know the drill, we know what you have to offer - And the Devil smiled.

                        ----------------------------------------------

                        Fox News Todd Starnes makes some great points in this piece he wrote "The Devil Smiled." Take a minute to read it and let me know what you think...

                        Another American high school has been turned into a killing field. And the nation wonders why.

                        Well, Im going to answer that question for you. And the answer may leave you a bit unsettled. You see I believe there is a God but I also believe there is a Devil. And I see his hand at work here.

                        Weve raised a generation to believe that truth is relative that there is no right or wrong.
                        And the Devil smiled.

                        They kicked God out of public schools banned Bibles and prayer.
                        And the Devil smiled.

                        Weve destroyed the traditional family broken homes raising broken kids.
                        And the Devil smiled.

                        There are no consequences for bad behavior no personal responsibility.
                        And the Devil smiled.

                        Our movies and music and games glorify violence and gore. Marriage vows poisoned by pornography.
                        And the Devil smiled.

                        What happened in Parkland, Florida is about wickedness a war with the forces of darkness good versus evil.
                        There is no doubt our land is wounded, her people suffering. But we have turned our backs on the One who promised to heal our Land.

                        The politicians and pundits would have you believe this is not about God, its not about righteousness. They would have you believe its about politics and mental illness and gun control.
                        And the Devil smiled.


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                        I must say that I cannot agree with the bolded part of you post, there towards the end. It isn't about politics or gun control, but it is about mental illness, which the evil comes forth from. Hard to separate the mental illness and the evil as they are tied at the waste.

                        For no one is socially conditioned to be one of these mass murderers. As immoral as parts of american society is, we are not socially conditioning people to be school shooters. I don't think any of these young school shooters were known to be mentally stable. People around them knew they were off, somehow in their demeanor and behavior. Surely the school counselors knew. I guess there is no system in place to do something with these kids, and there is no money to do it. But what would you do? As a society? What should you do? I think perhaps we used to put these people in state mental institutions. Now, with that money having dried up to keep these open, we put them in jail, generally once they do the crime. Back years ago, when I still drinked, I spent a short time in the local jail here for being intoxicated in public. Now long ago they would just helped you to get home, by calling someone to come and take you home. Well, that is no longer the case and they arrest you. Anyways, in my short stay at the jail there was this black fellow in there, around 30 years old, and he was seriously mentally ill. The kind of person that once would not be allowed on the streets. But in an institution. I found out he was being held in the jail until the bus came to take him to Parchman, one of those hell hole state prisons. Our prisons are full of mentally ill people. I have no idea as to the number. It isn't talked about nor reported on. One of our dark secrets.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                          And making things illegal will fix them, is that right ?

                          Let's make or change a law...
                          No point in having speed limits, right? Speeders gonna speed.

                          Except, that if someone speeds and it's illegal, there is a possibility he can be seen speeding and stopped before he kills someone.

                          If it were illegal for some people to buy and stockpile mass quantities of ammunition, maybe they could be seen stockpiling and be stopped before they killed someone. If it were illegal to sell to someone armor piercing bullets, it might make a dealer hesitate ... just long enough to save a cop's life.

                          We have building codes that protect us long before someone's building collapses on us, saving countless lives over the years. But laws don't do anything.

                          But if we were to pass any measure that would in any way impede the access to firearms to anyone, that would be a crime in itself. Everyone knows the Founding Fathers intended that anyone and everyone should have the capacity to slaughter dozens of innocents in a matter of seconds. That is what makes America free.

                          Every time we read about another mass shooting, we must remember the dead and wounded are simply martyrs and tribute to our beloved God, the 2nd Amendment.

                          So, anyone want to venture a guess as to which school will be shot up next?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                            I must say that I cannot agree with the bolded part of you post, there towards the end. It isn't about politics or gun control, but it is about mental illness, which the evil comes forth from. Hard to separate the mental illness and the evil as they are tied at the waste.

                            For no one is socially conditioned to be one of these mass murderers. As immoral as parts of american society is, we are not socially conditioning people to be school shooters. I don't think any of these young school shooters were known to be mentally stable. People around them knew they were off, somehow in their demeanor and behavior. Surely the school counselors knew. I guess there is no system in place to do something with these kids, and there is no money to do it. But what would you do? As a society? What should you do? I think perhaps we used to put these people in state mental institutions. Now, with that money having dried up to keep these open, we put them in jail, generally once they do the crime. Back years ago, when I still drinked, I spent a short time in the local jail here for being intoxicated in public. Now long ago they would just helped you to get home, by calling someone to come and take you home. Well, that is no longer the case and they arrest you. Anyways, in my short stay at the jail there was this black fellow in there, around 30 years old, and he was seriously mentally ill. The kind of person that once would not be allowed on the streets. But in an institution. I found out he was being held in the jail until the bus came to take him to Parchman, one of those hell hole state prisons. Our prisons are full of mentally ill people. I have no idea as to the number. It isn't talked about nor reported on. One of our dark secrets.
                            Maybe an armed retired military or police officer at schools, give them some incentive like a tax break or something ? This schools are gun free zones has been effective at one thing so far - and it hasn't been at saving any lives.

                            What to do with people with mental illnesses ? That's a issue that will never be solved because of what we are - imperfect human beings. We'll argue about & debate and argue about & debate and never solve it,... sound familiar ?

                            ... it's why we still have things like this going on, WE'RE INCAPABLE OF SOLVING OUR OWN PROBLEMS. It is why people turn to God for help, because we really can't help ourselves. This is never going to change

                            Originally posted by HawkeyeDJ View Post
                            No point in having speed limits, right? Speeders gonna speed.

                            Except, that if someone speeds and it's illegal, there is a possibility he can be seen speeding and stopped before he kills someone.

                            If it were illegal for some people to buy and stockpile mass quantities of ammunition, maybe they could be seen stockpiling and be stopped before they killed someone. If it were illegal to sell to someone armor piercing bullets, it might make a dealer hesitate ... just long enough to save a cop's life.

                            We have building codes that protect us long before someone's building collapses on us, saving countless lives over the years. But laws don't do anything.

                            But if we were to pass any measure that would in any way impede the access to firearms to anyone, that would be a crime in itself. Everyone knows the Founding Fathers intended that anyone and everyone should have the capacity to slaughter dozens of innocents in a matter of seconds. That is what makes America free.

                            Every time we read about another mass shooting, we must remember the dead and wounded are simply martyrs and tribute to our beloved God, the 2nd Amendment.

                            So, anyone want to venture a guess as to which school will be shot up next?

                            Pass that magical law and we will never see this happen again !!

                            RIGHT ?

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                            • #29
                              Now this

                              This young man had real problems.

                              The adults in his life allowed him to possess firearms ???

                              Who is at fault here ? Honestly ?? Would a law have had any effect on the lack of good sense here ?

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                              Local police made 36 trips to the house of the Florida mass murderer over a six-year period for erratic or violent behavior, Buzzfeed reported, citing dozens of police reports.

                              Nikolas Cruz, who confessed to the massacre of 17 students and adults at a high school in Parkland, Florida, was never arrested until Wednesday.

                              ...a therapist from Henderson Mental Health, also at the home, deemed that Nikolas Cruz "no threat to anyone or himself at this present time" and everybody "left without incident," Buzzfeed reports.

                              Cruz eventually would undergo treatment for mental health issues, according to reports, but stopped about a year ago.


                              https://www.newsmax.com/headline/cop.../16/id/843738/

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                              • #30
                                More laws will do nothing. The real problem is mental health and lack of good connections to decent adults. Lack of adults with time and ability to be watchful and aware

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                                The priest spoke, and he was absolutely furious with his flock. A woman in our party, who was a Spanish-speaker, translated for us: some of the young men of Copan had come into the town square the night before, during a festival, shot it up, and killed a few people.

                                The priest yelled a question at the congregation: "Why are you people not watching your sons?"

                                A week or so later, I was driving home from a dentist appointment when I passed Columbine High School. Just south of the school, I saw two young men, dressed in black dusters, walking toward Columbine. They looked into each other's faces, then strode up the sidewalk with smiles and knowing looks. Little did I know I was watching two of the sons in my community who were about to become murderers.

                                On April 20, 1999, the two young men I saw murdered 12 students and one teacher, then killed themselves at Columbine High School.

                                I covered the tragedy and its aftermath for the immediate community for about one year. Of course, it was a time of grief and trauma, and we all had to go through that and through the process of healing. In the midst of it, I believe there was a window of time where we could really learn and pass along what could be done to stop such a thing from happening in another community down the line.

                                Unfortunately, the mainstream media and the politicians came in and hyped the gun issue, just as they've done after every one of the tragedies that has followed Columbine. We all got focused on changing the laws that control guns. Family members of victims went to Washington, D.C. and were displayed by our president, just as family members of new victims are being displayed by a president now. We had a Million Mom March in Denver. We debated closing the gun show "loophole." Laws were changed.

                                ...what should we tell other communities now? Engage! Watch your sons.

                                Really, think about who is shooting in our schools; think about who is killing innocents in Chicago; think about who walked into a theater in Aurora and murdered people.

                                How do we watch our sons? Be parents. Be communities. Get children more of what children need in their communities; connect them in their daily lives with more than one adult.

                                ..we must then get our sons help when they need it and the help must be effective.

                                According to Dr. Keith Ablow, a forensic psychiatrist, "What all this gun legislation, restricting firearms or increasing background checks, fails to address is the real problem, which is untreated mental illness, and a mental health care system that is completely severed from anything like an ability to deliver outpatient services on an as-needed basis, sometimes involuntarily. So, we've allowed our mental health care system to become decrepit; people are falling through gaping holes in the system. It really has nothing to do with guns, as we just saw in the mass stabbing in Texas and as we should have learned in 1927 when 38 children were killed with homemade explosives at a school. This whole debate should be filibustered right off the Senate floor; people shouldn't show up for this debate because it's just a sideshow."

                                We can fix the mental health system and create effective pathways by which people in a community can report a boy or young man who seems mentally ill and dangerous.

                                Students proved this can work after Columbine when survivors of that shooting and their peers around the country started saying something about teens who showed warning signs of being troubled and dangerous. They stopped some planned attacks.

                                Third, we need to change the way we educate our children in high school. Something about the model we have is causing our sons terrible pain. My own son experienced it in a normal, everyday suburban high school. I know that some of the agony is caused simply by the way adolescents are and how they develop.



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