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  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

    Can you show us what it is you're referring to ? This would be helpful.
    Rather than having cut and paste, Just look any of your posts that end with an American thinker link.Then look at what you open the post with and then check it against the link In my post post graduate classes I took many courses where I hadn't taken the prerequisite classes Usually we had to write at least one paper I became amaster in researching sources and stringing them together with a few connecting sentences of my own. All the quotes I used were carefully footnoted. I had to write this way because I didn't know enough to interject my own ideas. The one time I took a physical education seminar class where I did meet the prerequisite requirements. When it came to write the paper I used my own ideas with very few quotes. One of the reasons I only got a B because I didn't use enough sources. Undaunted I turned around and got the paper published in our NY state journal. I got a little sweet revenge when Iran into a professor I knew well because he supervised student teachers when the teacher who gave me the B he said Did you see Red rover's paper in the journal and I'm thinking yeah she's seen it she gave me a lousy B on the thing.That was my reward for having my own ideas a wretched B and a publishing credit.

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    • Originally posted by redrover View Post
      Rather than having cut and paste, Just look any of your posts that end with an American thinker link.Then look at what you open the post with and then check it against the link In my post post graduate classes I took many courses where I hadn't taken the prerequisite classes Usually we had to write at least one paper I became amaster in researching sources and stringing them together with a few connecting sentences of my own. ...
      Ok.

      Is this one it ?

      https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...840#post554840

      Full text here

      ================================================== ===============================================

      At least we know ...

      Liberals have mastered the art of being wrong !

      "Whenever someone tells you that the left is good at nothing, please correct them and remind them that the left is insanely good at being wrong."

      Rover is here to prove this to us every day. Always does an excellent job too !

      ----------------------------------------------------------

      ..leftists have managed to be perfectly wrong on every single issue.

      #MeToo: All good people agree that real sexual harassment when someone uses power or force to coerce someone else to do something sexual is bad. Yet starting with Bill Clinton, the left has declared that sexual harassment is not bad if it's practiced by people who are sufficiently leftist.

      Free Speech: The concept of free speech is central to America's definition of itself and to the health of our political system. Everyone other than the most extreme Nazis and communists has agreed that people should be able to express their views, so long as they don't call for violence, without fear of reprisal.

      But now the left has declared that "hate" speech – generally defined as anything the left doesn't like – is not in fact protected.


      Racism: One of the great advances in America in the last 100 years has been the development of a near universal consensus that all people, no matter what their skin color, are equally good and that hating someone because of his race is intrinsically bad.

      Yet the left continually declares that whites, all whites except the leftists themselves, are evil. Leftists push for segregated graduations for blacks while proclaiming that they aren't racists. When racist blacks condemn all whites for being white, the left applauds.

      At its core, the modern left is extremely racist.


      [ they always have been ]

      The Rule of Law: One of the great strengths of America is that it has always tried to be a nation of laws that everyone must follow or be punished. Modern leftists believe that there are some people who are above the law and that the law can be applied differently to those whom the left likes and those whom the left dislikes.

      The left, for example, believes that because Antifa is supposedly fighting fascism, it's okay for them to break the law and use violence to shut down speech its people don't like.

      The left thinks it's okay for Hillary to break the law and grossly mishandle highly classified data while a sailor who took some personal photos where he shouldn't is thrown in the brig.

      The left thinks Trump Jr. talking to a Russian about dirt on Hillary is a crime, but that Hillary paying a Brit who probably paid Russians for dirt on Trump and then using that dirt during the campaign is okay.

      The left thinks that the government spying on the Trump campaign to "protect" him, though it never told Trump there was a problem, is fine, but a failed burglary at the DNC headquarters was the crime of the century.


      Freedom of Religion: To people of faith, there is nothing more important than being able to live life as they believe God wants them to, from Muslims and Jews who refuse to eat or serve pork to Christians who gladly serve gays but who won't serve gay "weddings." Our Constitution declares that we can all live our faiths – a belief shared by civilized persons. Yet leftists declare that all must bow to leftist morality and their faith-based view of the world.

      The modern left is completely intolerant of any moral belief that they don't embrace. They are as bad as, if not worse, than state religions like the Church of England a few hundred years ago.

      Whenever someone tells you that the left is good at nothing, please correct them and remind them that the left is insanely good at being wrong.


      https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...erfection.html

      ================================================== ===============================================

      Have you been wasting our time complaining that I didn't post the link like this, so you would know that one line in my opening four sentences, was from the article ?

      Here's what you're wanting I hope/think. See below again

      =========================================== ================================================== ====

      At least we know ...

      Liberals have mastered the art of being wrong !

      "Whenever someone tells you that the left is good at nothing, please correct them and remind them that the left is insanely good at being wrong."

      - https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...erfection.html - Same source as is offered below

      Rover is here to prove this to us every day. Always does an excellent job too !

      ----------------------------------------------------------

      ..leftists have managed to be perfectly wrong on every single issue.

      #MeToo: All good people agree that real sexual harassment when someone uses power or force to coerce someone else to do something sexual is bad. Yet starting with Bill Clinton, the left has declared that sexual harassment is not bad if it's practiced by people who are sufficiently leftist.

      Free Speech: The concept of free speech is central to America's definition of itself and to the health of our political system. Everyone other than the most extreme Nazis and communists has agreed that people should be able to express their views, so long as they don't call for violence, without fear of reprisal.

      But now the left has declared that "hate" speech – generally defined as anything the left doesn't like – is not in fact protected.


      Racism: One of the great advances in America in the last 100 years has been the development of a near universal consensus that all people, no matter what their skin color, are equally good and that hating someone because of his race is intrinsically bad.

      Yet the left continually declares that whites, all whites except the leftists themselves, are evil. Leftists push for segregated graduations for blacks while proclaiming that they aren't racists. When racist blacks condemn all whites for being white, the left applauds.

      At its core, the modern left is extremely racist.


      [ they always have been ]

      The Rule of Law: One of the great strengths of America is that it has always tried to be a nation of laws that everyone must follow or be punished. Modern leftists believe that there are some people who are above the law and that the law can be applied differently to those whom the left likes and those whom the left dislikes.

      The left, for example, believes that because Antifa is supposedly fighting fascism, it's okay for them to break the law and use violence to shut down speech its people don't like.

      The left thinks it's okay for Hillary to break the law and grossly mishandle highly classified data while a sailor who took some personal photos where he shouldn't is thrown in the brig.

      The left thinks Trump Jr. talking to a Russian about dirt on Hillary is a crime, but that Hillary paying a Brit who probably paid Russians for dirt on Trump and then using that dirt during the campaign is okay.

      The left thinks that the government spying on the Trump campaign to "protect" him, though it never told Trump there was a problem, is fine, but a failed burglary at the DNC headquarters was the crime of the century.


      Freedom of Religion: To people of faith, there is nothing more important than being able to live life as they believe God wants them to, from Muslims and Jews who refuse to eat or serve pork to Christians who gladly serve gays but who won't serve gay "weddings." Our Constitution declares that we can all live our faiths – a belief shared by civilized persons. Yet leftists declare that all must bow to leftist morality and their faith-based view of the world.

      The modern left is completely intolerant of any moral belief that they don't embrace. They are as bad as, if not worse, than state religions like the Church of England a few hundred years ago.

      Whenever someone tells you that the left is good at nothing, please correct them and remind them that the left is insanely good at being wrong.


      https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...erfection.html

      ================================================== ===============================================

      You could have simply read the article and seen the line at the bottom of it, the line I'd italicized in my opening four sentences to denote that it was a statement from the article.

      That you feel it necessary to follow good APA style citation is a bit of a stretch.

      https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/560/02/

      I certainly wouldn't expect you to follow it LOL

      Here's another method of citations.

      http://nob.cs.ucdavis.edu/classes/ec...citations.html


      and a good read/explanation on the topic

      https://pr.princeton.edu/pub/integrity/pages/cite/

      Anyways, it's been real fun and a real fun waste of time LOL

      But I do hope I've been able to assist you in seeing that the one obviously italicized line was italicized for good reason. It would have been easy enough to see where it came from - the cited text just below. I do expect to be excused for not making a peer reviewed journal, or college level citation .... but if you're going to expect this, we might also request better formatting and interaction with material posted by others here on your part.

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      • Originally posted by HawkeyeDJ View Post

        They are dead because of their poor understanding? Please elaborate.



        Again, please elaborate. Tell us more about these 'simple steps.'


        My experience in public education I have learned that when conservatives start talking about simple steps they mean steps that won't cost the taxpayer a dime.

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        • Originally posted by redrover View Post

          My experience in public education I have learned that when conservatives start talking about simple steps they mean steps that won't cost the taxpayer a dime.
          Most of all, they don't want to spend money on audits to detail how money is wasted or programs fail.

          Much less expensive to base our affairs on the old west. If only everyone had a gun, all the bad guys would eventually be wiped out. That always worked in the movies.

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          • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
            Most of all, they don't want to spend money on audits to detail how money is wasted or programs fail.

            Much less expensive to base our affairs on the old west. If only everyone had a gun, all the bad guys would eventually be wiped out. That always worked in the movies.
            The bottom line is they don't want to spend money on anything unless it is something useful like a bomber.Yah gotta protect the homeland or the whole debate about school shootings is moot.

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            • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
              Most of all, they don't want to spend money on audits to detail how money is wasted or programs fail.

              Much less expensive to base our affairs on the old west. If only everyone had a gun, all the bad guys would eventually be wiped out. That always worked in the movies.
              I don't want everyone to have a gun ... there are folks out here IRL who simply should not have any kind of weapon. That said, however, which do you think is a more effective plan:
              [list=1][*]Arm everyone; or[*]take away everyone's arms so the criminals will be the only ones armed?[list]

              O.K. a bit facetious, I realize, no one (with any sense) is advocating EVERYONE give up their arms and there won't be ONLY criminals with guns ... there will also be politicians (oh wait ... same thing) ...

              BUT my point is, there will never be any accord so long as the NRA defies EVERY proposal and the anti-gun whacked out left keeps proposing unworkable (and likely unconstitutional) reforms.

              So, where is that middle ground?

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              • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                Someone demanding politicians do something to stop "gun violence"... again !

                Even though it's politicians and their bright ideas that lead us to bigger and MORE troubles, who in their right mind would think THEY could do anything to stop people from doing stupid things ???

                What ?

                Pass a "law" ???

                Oh yes, that will do the trick ! SURE LOL More "laws" yes .. oh yes, that's the answer... idiots

                --------------------------------------------------

                Former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, ... reacted to Wednesday's school shooting massacre in a series of emotional tweets that called on politicians to do something to help stop gun violence.

                ...

                https://www.newsmax.com/politics/gab.../14/id/843449/
                I understand your point when you say laws don't work. We are Republicans the law never stops us from doing evil. So go ahead and make all the laws you want but we'll be back in September shooting kids.

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                • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                  I understand your point when you say laws don't work. We are Republicans the law never stops us from doing evil. So go ahead and make all the laws you want but we'll be back in September shooting kids.
                  OH, hey, I've got an idea...

                  Let's make having a gun in a gun-free zone illegal!

                  NO...NO, let's make MURDER illegal, what say?

                  WAIT ... LET'S make entering the country illegally, illegal!

                  OR .. OR ... OR ... I know: LET'S make stealing and and and making Meth in your bathroom illegal...

                  SURELY that will resolve at least most of the crime non-existent, right? If we make those things illegal, no one will do them. PROBLEM solved.

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                  • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                    I understand your point when you say laws don't work. We are Republicans the law never stops us from doing evil. So go ahead and make all the laws you want but we'll be back in September shooting kids.
                    Good point.

                    Sadly the same applies;

                    "We are Democrats the law never stops us from doing evil. So go ahead and make all the laws you want but we'll be back in September shooting kids."

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                    • Originally posted by DavidSF View Post
                      OH, hey, I've got an idea...

                      Let's make having a gun in a gun-free zone illegal!

                      NO...NO, let's make MURDER illegal, what say?

                      WAIT ... LET'S make entering the country illegally, illegal!

                      OR .. OR ... OR ... I know: LET'S make stealing and and and making Meth in your bathroom illegal...

                      SURELY that will resolve at least most of the crime non-existent, right? If we make those things illegal, no one will do them. PROBLEM solved.
                      Yeeaaahhhhh...

                      I believe !!!!!!!!!!

                      We need more "laws" !!

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                      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                        Yeeaaahhhhh...

                        I believe !!!!!!!!!!

                        We need more "laws" !!
                        Let's look at one of those laws. The current law against providing a firearm to someone who is not qualified to possess. Is that law adequate, or are there too many loopholes in more than a few states?

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                        • I think there are too many ways around it, which aren’t really loopholes, per se. but for the sake of argument, let’s say you and I agree.

                          do you, then, advocate more laws or simply fixing (and enforcing) existing laws? FTR, I fall into that latter group. It is my observation (with this and just about every other law) that ther are and will always be people who look for ways to break the law (or get around a law) without consequences. The more laws, the more motivated those people get.

                          i don’t see that we need more laws. I think we need to return to enforcement of existing laws.

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                          • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                            Let's look at one of those laws. The current law against providing a firearm to someone who is not qualified to possess. Is that law adequate, or are there too many loopholes in more than a few states?
                            It's so pointless, it's nearly irrelevant. If people really want to get something, they'll find a way to get it.

                            Having this law may help make us feel good and believe we're safer, but is it really going to keep guns away from those who shouldn't have them ? I kind of have my doubts...

                            ... not to say we shouldn't have this law, but lets be real about it.

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                            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                              It's so pointless, it's nearly irrelevant. If people really want to get something, they'll find a way to get it.

                              Having this law may help make us feel good and believe we're safer, but is it really going to keep guns away from those who shouldn't have them ? I kind of have my doubts...

                              ... not to say we shouldn't have this law, but lets be real about it.
                              Of course it won't keep a firearm away from an ex-convict, experienced in robbing banks. He had the contacts before he went up the river, he has them now. It will keep uncle Bob from going to the firearms show at the local fairgrounds and selling a 9mm to twitchy, because "the kid seemed fine at the time, and he was legal age".

                              That is my point: Closing the loopholes will do two things: Keep an extra XX% of incompetents from obtaining firearms (I believe it would be double digits -significant). It would also add "Y" number of years in jail for those people who are sloppy in how they handle the transfer of firearms in their possession. Closing that loophole alone will make more people take proper care to avoid needless tragedies. The additional slammer time will also help keep the conscience-free (aka black market dealers) off the streets for longer periods. Significant improvements, all.

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                              • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                                Of course it won't keep a firearm away from an ex-convict, experienced in robbing banks. He had the contacts before he went up the river, he has them now. It will keep uncle Bob from going to the firearms show at the local fairgrounds and selling a 9mm to twitchy, because "the kid seemed fine at the time, and he was legal age".

                                That is my point: Closing the loopholes will do two things: Keep an extra XX% of incompetents from obtaining firearms (I believe it would be double digits -significant). It would also add "Y" number of years in jail for those people who are sloppy in how they handle the transfer of firearms in their possession. Closing that loophole alone will make more people take proper care to avoid needless tragedies. The additional slammer time will also help keep the conscience-free (aka black market dealers) off the streets for longer periods. Significant improvements, all.
                                It's definitely worth a try I guess.

                                We have to keep in mind that it was the incompetence of those in the jobs that were supposedly "keeping us safe," that allowed the young man in Florida to go on a killing spree in school.

                                Competent people are hard to find these days in America it seems. Look at the mass of ridiculous fools in DC LOL

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