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  • Originally posted by redrover View Post

    Rad David never elaborates you just have to accept it as the absolute truth. I've been trying to squeeze some evidence out of him to back up his claims for weeks. No luck.
    I don't recall him having much luck squeezing evidence out of you to back up your own claims either.

    Now go stand in the corner for 10 minutes rover.

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    • Originally posted by redrover View Post

      Yes we are the land of the free as long as you have the proper skin tone nd are a member of an approved religion. I don't know where this home of the brave comes from. All I see is a bunch of bone spurs who are afraid of of two year old children who don't even have AIDS
      You are just an ass ... I can't say it more clear than that. Once, try expecting the best out of your friends and family: They'll surprise you and rise to the challenge. Then, once you've convinced them to abandon their racism, get out beyond your neighborhood once or twice: You will find very few who believe as you do.

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      • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
        For example, one might believe some police were egged on by Obama, or perhaps Obama was the first prez to order DOJ investigations into police brutality based on racial bias. Would that would be one example of conditions for African Americans "worsening" under Obama? Please elaborate.
        What I look at started (or maybe was just perpetuated) by Ferguson, MO.

        The Obama Administration did not give a rat's ass about what took place that led to that criminal being shot. ALL they focused on was "black man shot by white cop." The proper authorities looked into it and exonerated the cop, but that made little difference: By then Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had gotten involved, the crowd was whipped up and manipulated, and riots occurred... IN the black neighborhoods. We hadn't seen that kind of mindless abandon (on their own homes) since the '92 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles.

        Then, the black professor was detained by police for breaking into his own home: Obama, specifically, immediately sided with the professor and shrugged off all explanations that the detention was righteous, given the circumstances and the professor was apologized to and released once identity was established. Obama furthered this victim mentality amongst African Americans by his behavior.

        His 8 years in office show example after example of him isolating African Americans as victims of white America, but of course, he did not stop there: Muslims were put up against Christians, Hispanics were put up against whites, students put up against business people, welfare recipients were thrown up against wealthy ... the Obama administration established all these victims as their voter base and they absolutely pandered to their base which, of course, included African Americans.

        IT was all about an attitude, starting well before Michele Obama said "I am proud of my country for the first time" in expression of her opinion that America only voted for Obama because he is black (in reality, though, he is more likely bi-racial). Under his tutelage, ANYONE who dared disagree with him was a racist ... which only fanned the flames of racism in the U.S..

        In my opinion, liberals and democrats are the real racists in America today: They subjugate minorities in order to keep them economically deprived and, thereby, dependent on government programs and other handouts.

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        • Originally posted by DavidSF View Post

          What I look at started (or maybe was just perpetuated) by Ferguson, MO.

          The Obama Administration did not give a rat's ass about what took place that led to that criminal being shot. ALL they focused on was "black man shot by white cop." The proper authorities looked into it and exonerated the cop, but that made little difference: By then Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had gotten involved, the crowd was whipped up and manipulated, and riots occurred... IN the black neighborhoods. We hadn't seen that kind of mindless abandon (on their own homes) since the '92 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles.

          Then, the black professor was detained by police for breaking into his own home: Obama, specifically, immediately sided with the professor and shrugged off all explanations that the detention was righteous, given the circumstances and the professor was apologized to and released once identity was established. Obama furthered this victim mentality amongst African Americans by his behavior.

          His 8 years in office show example after example of him isolating African Americans as victims of white America, but of course, he did not stop there: Muslims were put up against Christians, Hispanics were put up against whites, students put up against business people, welfare recipients were thrown up against wealthy ... the Obama administration established all these victims as their voter base and they absolutely pandered to their base which, of course, included African Americans.

          IT was all about an attitude, starting well before Michele Obama said "I am proud of my country for the first time" in expression of her opinion that America only voted for Obama because he is black (in reality, though, he is more likely bi-racial). Under his tutelage, ANYONE who dared disagree with him was a racist ... which only fanned the flames of racism in the U.S..

          In my opinion, liberals and democrats are the real racists in America today: They subjugate minorities in order to keep them economically deprived and, thereby, dependent on government programs and other handouts.
          I'll give you some props for at least trying to give some examples. I still don't see how someone who was a state senator on 9/11 was able to turn Christians and Muslims against each other. So are you suggesting that your brand of Christianty weren't violently anti-Muslim until Obama took office in 2008? A simple yes or no will suffice.

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          • Originally posted by redrover View Post

            I'll give you some props for at least trying to give some examples. I still don't see how someone who was a state senator on 9/11 was able to turn Christians and Muslims against each other. So are you suggesting that your brand of Christianty weren't violently anti-Muslim until Obama took office in 2008? A simple yes or no will suffice.
            Wow.

            Run over and look up the definition of non sequitur. IF you're going to use it so wantonly, you should at least know what it is.
            1. I didn't say anything about the High Obama using 9/11 to pit Muslims against Christians. Fantasize much? IN FACT, what I have said has been about various groups, and not just Christians and Muslims ... various groups that might or might not have had anything at all to do with 9/11.
            2. Again, I didn't say anything about anyone being violently anti-muslim: I was talking about Obama (specifically) pitting one group against another: Blacks and whites, muslims and Christians, Citizens and Police ...
            3. You don't get say what answers "wil suffice." I imagine you'd love my answer to be limited to single-word: The less to show you for the fraud you are in here.

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            • Originally posted by DavidSF View Post

              Wow.

              Run over and look up the definition of non sequitur. IF you're going to use it so wantonly, you should at least know what it is.
              1. I didn't say anything about the High Obama using 9/11 to pit Muslims against Christians. Fantasize much? IN FACT, what I have said has been about various groups, and not just Christians and Muslims ... various groups that might or might not have had anything at all to do with 9/11.
              2. Again, I didn't say anything about anyone being violently anti-muslim: I was talking about Obama (specifically) pitting one group against another: Blacks and whites, muslims and Christians, Citizens and Police ...
              3. You don't get say what answers "wil suffice." I imagine you'd love my answer to be limited to single-word: The less to show you for the fraud you are in here.
              Captain Trips is the most violently Anti- Muslim person I've ever encountered are you suggesting that his hate wasn't there before Obama came on the scene?And that 98% of republicans weren't racists until Obama became president?https://www.thenation.com/article/pa...rats-anywhere/

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              • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                Captain Trips is the most violently Anti- Muslim person I've ever encountered are you suggesting that his hate wasn't there before Obama came on the scene?
                Really dumb.

                Originally posted by redrover View Post
                And that 98% of republicans weren't racists until Obama became president?https://www.thenation.com/article/pa...rats-anywhere/
                Even dumber.

                Two dumb points PLUS one bonus dummy point for citing a source writing with so much cleverly constructed misleading misinformation.

                Doing well today !

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                • Originally posted by DavidSF View Post

                  What I look at started (or maybe was just perpetuated) by Ferguson, MO.

                  The Obama Administration did not give a rat's ass about what took place that led to that criminal being shot. ALL they focused on was "black man shot by white cop." The proper authorities looked into it and exonerated the cop, but that made little difference: By then Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had gotten involved, the crowd was whipped up and manipulated, and riots occurred... IN the black neighborhoods. We hadn't seen that kind of mindless abandon (on their own homes) since the '92 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles.

                  Then, the black professor was detained by police for breaking into his own home: Obama, specifically, immediately sided with the professor and shrugged off all explanations that the detention was righteous, given the circumstances and the professor was apologized to and released once identity was established. Obama furthered this victim mentality amongst African Americans by his behavior.

                  His 8 years in office show example after example of him isolating African Americans as victims of white America, but of course, he did not stop there: Muslims were put up against Christians, Hispanics were put up against whites, students put up against business people, welfare recipients were thrown up against wealthy ... the Obama administration established all these victims as their voter base and they absolutely pandered to their base which, of course, included African Americans.

                  IT was all about an attitude, starting well before Michele Obama said "I am proud of my country for the first time" in expression of her opinion that America only voted for Obama because he is black (in reality, though, he is more likely bi-racial). Under his tutelage, ANYONE who dared disagree with him was a racist ... which only fanned the flames of racism in the U.S..

                  In my opinion, liberals and democrats are the real racists in America today: They subjugate minorities in order to keep them economically deprived and, thereby, dependent on government programs and other handouts.
                  Here is what the current AG said about police officers who harm people without cause:
                  "The Department of Justice will hold accountable any law enforcement officer who violates the civil rights of our citizens by using excessive force," Sessions said in a statement Tuesday. "Such failures of duty not only harm the individual victims of these crimes; they harm our country, by eroding trust in law enforcement and undermining the good work of the vast majority of honorable and honest police officers.
                  https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/us/mi...lea/index.html
                  Here is what AG Holder (the Obama administration) wanted to do about police officers who harm people without cause:
                  Missing from those recommendations, however, was any mention of a change in the law that Holder proposed on his way out of office earlier this year: It should be easier, he told reporters, for the federal government to bring charges and win convictions in civil-rights cases, including instances where police officers use excessive force against citizens. The Obama administration evidently decided to make its primary focus the changes it could enact on its own, and those it might recommend to local jurisdictions, instead of asking Congress to pursue a more far-reaching overhaul.
                  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...reform/393530/

                  Compare and contrast DOJ proposals regarding civil rights in police action. Sessions' position basically agrees with Holder's position. Also notable is Obama's soft stance on prosecuting rogue police, when compared with the tone of Sessions' statement. Your claim that Obama was stoking racist fires (fires that were somehow put out years before), has no solid base. When it comes to adults, people are either racist at their base, or they are struggling with some degree of racial bias (aka ignorance based on genetic factors). It is not something that "goes away" for a couple of decades, then shows up due to one politician's actions. Yes, I know this is similar to something Holder said ("...a nation of cowards" when it comes to racial issues), but it seems to be an observation based on reality. Holder didn't defend any group, he painted everyone as ignorant (some proud of it), rather than facing it head-on. We don't need to confess or be rilly sorry for all bad feelings and deeds any ignorant person ever committed. We just need to recognize it exists and deal with it, without going to either extreme -overwrought apologist beside himself with guilt vs. the sociopath who would string up someone of the wrong color to "get justice" for society.

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                  • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                    Captain Trips is the most violently Anti- Muslim person I've ever encountered are you suggesting that his hate wasn't there before Obama came on the scene?And that 98% of republicans weren't racists until Obama became president?https://www.thenation.com/article/pa...rats-anywhere/
                    I have to assume you DID as I instructed and, now, you must know what non sequitur is (because this response is a perfect example). Now, do you have anything intelligent to contribute or is this babble about all we can expect?

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                    • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                      Here is what the current AG said about police officers who harm people without cause:
                      https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/us/mi...lea/index.html
                      Here is what AG Holder (the Obama administration) wanted to do about police officers who harm people without cause: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...reform/393530/

                      Compare and contrast DOJ proposals regarding civil rights in police action. Sessions' position basically agrees with Holder's position. Also notable is Obama's soft stance on prosecuting rogue police, when compared with the tone of Sessions' statement. Your claim that Obama was stoking racist fires (fires that were somehow put out years before), has no solid base. When it comes to adults, people are either racist at their base, or they are struggling with some degree of racial bias (aka ignorance based on genetic factors). It is not something that "goes away" for a couple of decades, then shows up due to one politician's actions. Yes, I know this is similar to something Holder said ("...a nation of cowards" when it comes to racial issues), but it seems to be an observation based on reality. Holder didn't defend any group, he painted everyone as ignorant (some proud of it), rather than facing it head-on. We don't need to confess or be rilly sorry for all bad feelings and deeds any ignorant person ever committed. We just need to recognize it exists and deal with it, without going to either extreme -overwrought apologist beside himself with guilt vs. the sociopath who would string up someone of the wrong color to "get justice" for society.
                      O.K. ... well documented, which I appreciate.

                      But I'm not sure what it has to do with Obama inciting groups against other groups.

                      No sentient being believes there are never any officers who overstep their bounds.

                      Holder was too busy trying to defend himself from accusations stemming from "Fast and Furious" to bother himself with what was going on in the country's law enforcement (in my opinion).

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                      • Originally posted by DavidSF View Post

                        O.K. ... well documented, which I appreciate.

                        But I'm not sure what it has to do with Obama inciting groups against other groups.

                        No sentient being believes there are never any officers who overstep their bounds.

                        Holder was too busy trying to defend himself from accusations stemming from "Fast and Furious" to bother himself with what was going on in the country's law enforcement (in my opinion).
                        Toward the end of his career with the Obama Administration, that was true. His opinion on law that is poorly enforced still speaks for the Obama administration, and compares with administrations for the last few decades. Perhaps if you had a list of comments -in context- when Obama pitted one group against another? I've heard people claim Obama told people to go tribal on each other, but where's the list?

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                          3. Ive got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I dont want them punished with a baby.
                          4. Its very rare that I come to an event where Im like the fifth- or sixth-most interesting person.
                          5. I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though.
                          6. In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died an entire town destroyed. (this was about a Kansas tornado that killed, ahem, 12 people)
                          And his cabinet/administration also got into the act with:
                          • I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.I mean, thats a storybook, man. (Biden)
                          • As Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S. (Biden)
                          • Theres a different leader in Syria now. Many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe hes a reformer. (Hillary Clintoon)
                          • I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002. (Hillary Clintoon)


                          and members of his family:
                          • What I notice about men, all men, is that their order is me, my family, God is in there somewhere, but me is first. (Michelle Obama)
                          • The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more. (Michelle Obama)


                          This man and those around him were constantly pitting one group against another.

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                          • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                            Toward the end of his career with the Obama Administration, that was true. His opinion on law that is poorly enforced still speaks for the Obama administration, and compares with administrations for the last few decades. Perhaps if you had a list of comments -in context- when Obama pitted one group against another? I've heard people claim Obama told people to go tribal on each other, but where's the list?
                            Yes like the way he turned the Sandy Hook parents against the NRA.

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                            • This just in, lots of videos below at first link, breaking news story of another shooting...

                              Note - This isn't a school shooting

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                              Large police presence in Annapolis, Md. for reported shooting

                              A large police presence has been reported 800 block of Bestgate Road, Annapolis for reports of a shooting Thursday afternoon, police say.

                              http://wjla.com/news/local/large-pol...orted-shooting

                              Police and emergency medical crews were called to a report of four people shot near Westfield Mall, while the shooter was arrested at the Capital-Gazette building in Annapolis, Twitter users, including Arundel News and FOX 5 report. The newspaper has not confirmed the arrest or shootings.

                              https://patch.com/maryland/annapolis/reports-4-shot-annapolis-newspaper-building-unconfirmed

                              More coming out

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                              'Multiple' deaths, suspect caught after reports of shots fired outside Maryland newspaper office, sheriff says

                              A suspect was apprehended following reports of shots fired and multiple fatalities in Annapolis, Maryland, Thursday afternoon outside the Capital Gazette newsroom, Anne Arundel Sheriff Ron Bateman told Fox News.

                              The shooting broke out around 2:30 p.m. on Bestgate Road, Fox 5 DC reported.

                              Police warn the possibility of more shooters, however that has not officially been confirmed.

                              The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Baltimore said they are responding to the incident.

                              According to WJLA, citing sources, a shotgun was involved in the incident.

                              President Trump, as well as the first lady, have been briefed on the shooting, White House officials confirmed. White House Deputy Press Secretary Lindsay Walters said "our thoughts and prayers are with all that are affected."

                              Anthony Messenger, who said he is an intern at the paper, earlier tweeted, "Active shooter 888 Bestgate please help us."


                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mu...Tal?li=BBnb7Kz

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                              • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                                This just in, lots of videos below at first link, breaking news story of another shooting...

                                Note - This isn't a school shooting

                                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                Large police presence in Annapolis, Md. for reported shooting

                                A large police presence has been reported 800 block of Bestgate Road, Annapolis for reports of a shooting Thursday afternoon, police say.

                                http://wjla.com/news/local/large-pol...orted-shooting

                                Police and emergency medical crews were called to a report of four people shot near Westfield Mall, while the shooter was arrested at the Capital-Gazette building in Annapolis, Twitter users, including Arundel News and FOX 5 report. The newspaper has not confirmed the arrest or shootings.

                                https://patch.com/maryland/annapolis/reports-4-shot-annapolis-newspaper-building-unconfirmed

                                More coming out

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                                'Multiple' deaths, suspect caught after reports of shots fired outside Maryland newspaper office, sheriff says

                                A suspect was apprehended following reports of shots fired and multiple fatalities in Annapolis, Maryland, Thursday afternoon outside the Capital Gazette newsroom, Anne Arundel Sheriff Ron Bateman told Fox News.

                                The shooting broke out around 2:30 p.m. on Bestgate Road, Fox 5 DC reported.

                                Police warn the possibility of more shooters, however that has not officially been confirmed.

                                The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Baltimore said they are responding to the incident.

                                According to WJLA, citing sources, a shotgun was involved in the incident.

                                President Trump, as well as the first lady, have been briefed on the shooting, White House officials confirmed. White House Deputy Press Secretary Lindsay Walters said "our thoughts and prayers are with all that are affected."

                                Anthony Messenger, who said he is an intern at the paper, earlier tweeted, "Active shooter 888 Bestgate please help us."


                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mu...Tal?li=BBnb7Kz
                                I am really surprised we haven't seen more of this since declared it open season on the media the enemy of the people.

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