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  • #91
    They're trying to cover their arses. The FBI is incompetent and wants to distract America from this fact.

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    FBI's Russia Indictments Shift Focus Away From Its Parkland Failure


    Even in a banana republic, a newspaper, the media would point out the fallacies and the fraudulent nature of releasing such a so-called indictment against foreign nationals at a time like this. But we no longer have newspapers or a media that holds these officials accountable.

    What agency on earth would dare disrespect the dead bodies of those children? This is a matter of timing, and to me, this timing is unusual. Again, the only logical conclusion is that the FBI itself neglected to prevent this shooting and they're using this indictment to cover up their failures.

    ...

    Here, we have Rosenstein acting as a puppet for the FBI which failed to stop the latest school shooting even though they had a tip on January 5 that Nikolas Cruz was about to commit such an atrocity. The school shooter who killed all those children was rehearsing his sick plan that was reported to the FBI. The FBI did nothing because they were too busy cooking up an indictment against Donald Trump. This is a failure of a major agency. It is terrifying that they would go this far as to take a nation that is still in shock and mourning, while the bodies are still in morgues, and release this nothing indictment. This announcement was made to cover up their own inability to prevent this tragic event.

    On Friday, Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for possible meddling in the 2016 presidential election. The poorly timed announcement was accompanied by a statement by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein confirming that there was no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant, nor any allegation in this indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the election.


    https://www.newsmax.com/michaelsavag.../18/id/844037/

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    And again, who believes the govt. and more laws will stop these kinds of events from occurring when they can't stop them when they're warned ahead of time !?!?



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    • #92
      Do we STILL think it's a good idea depending on government and law enforcement to assure our children's safety in public schools ?

      If we like dead kids - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkbS2Zrcl6g

      It's your call America. Do you value your childrens lives more than your irrational hatred for an object ?

      Or is it more dead kids we want ?

      What do you want America ?

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      An event like this one focuses all parents and grandparents like laser beams on their own young people. That such a thing has happened yet again in our country is unacceptable, and yet it happened...again.

      Despite years of flashing neon lights that this boy was not only mentally ill, but potentially dangerous, he apparently had no formal record of mental illness. Even though he had been told he could not enter his school with a backpack and was later expelled, even though the police had visited his home thirty-nine times between 2011 and 2018, he was able to buy that AR-15 at age 18!

      Even though we have laws meant to prevent persons who are mentally ill from acquiring guns, this kid passed a background check! This is yet another catastrophic failure of a whole panoply of law enforcement agencies, social services, and school authorities.

      Adding insult to injury, the FBI barely bothered to check out the YouTuber who reported Cruz's comment about becoming a "professional school shooter," and the bureau completely ignored a second, specific warning in January about his intentions to kill people. Both tips to the FBI included his full name. As Jeanine Pirro reported on her program, Judge Jeanine, there are only thirteen Nikolas Cruzes in the U.S.! The FBI did not even bother to do a database search, and now seventeen people are dead.

      Mistakes were made, to put it mildly. But now many of the young survivors, their parents, and the usual suspects on the left are blaming Trump. Why? Because he supports the NRA? Because he did not immediately speak out about gun control?

      The young, traumatized survivors of the massacre, some of them, are already speaking out blaming Trump, as if he has been president for as long as they've been alive. "How dare you?" said one of them on Meet the Press because Trump truthfully tweeted that the Democrats had not passed any gun control measures when they had the majority in both houses of Congress. Trump also alluded to the FBI's failure to act on the tips they had received but ignored. How dare he tell the truth?

      These grieving young people are being manipulated by the adults in their lives to use the tragic deaths of their classmates for political purposes. Just as the school shootings in Columbine and Newtown became political footballs during which the victims were all but forgotten, we are reliving the same application of politics over common sense once again. And again, kids are the pawns in what the left sees as a game. It is no game.

      Israel learned the hard way. A terrorist school shooting forty years ago took the lives of over a hundred elementary school children. Since then, any school in Israel with a hundred students or more has armed guards and staff with concealed weapons. Why do we in America value our air travelers, our congresspeople, celebrities, the employees and contents of all public buildings, museums, etc. more than we treasure our schoolchildren? Given the world we now inhabit, it seems that our schools would and should have the best security available today.

      If America had long ago adopted Israel's commonsense approach and made schools secure and protected by well trained armed persons, it is quite likely that Columbine and Newtown would never have happened. One young ROTC student at Stoneman Douglas High School commented that Coach Feis, who died after he threw himself in front of a group of kids and saved their lives, could have taken the shooter out had he been permitted to carry a gun. He might well have saved many more lives had he been armed.

      The local police and the FBI dropped the ball, and a tragedy ensued. The anti-gun lobby and these newly activist youngsters who think they can change the world by banning guns are irrelevant as well; the Second Amendment will never be overturned. There are already countless laws on the books to prevent people like Nikolas Cruz from getting his hands on a gun, but many people along the way did not do their job. Evil and insanity will always be with us. The only commonsense response as a nation is to remember that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

      Let the legacy of those young lives lost in Parkland be that we wake up and put an end to gun-free zones, especially at our schools. Let us protect our schoolchildren with the same fervor with which we protect those schlubs in Congress and all those Hollywood celebrities who never venture outside their homes without armed security. And make no mistake! Even if the Second Amendment were overturned and all civilian guns were confiscated (an impossible task), those folks would keep their armed guards.

      How about we value the lives of our schoolkids as much as members of Congress and all those celebs value their own?



      https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...shootings.html

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
        Do we STILL think it's a good idea depending on government and law enforcement to assure our children's safety in public schools ?

        If we like dead kids - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkbS2Zrcl6g

        It's your call America. Do you value your childrens lives more than your irrational hatred for an object ?

        Or is it more dead kids we want ?

        What do you want America ?

        ------------------------------------------------------------

        An event like this one focuses all parents and grandparents like laser beams on their own young people. That such a thing has happened yet again in our country is unacceptable, and yet it happened...again.

        Despite years of flashing neon lights that this boy was not only mentally ill, but potentially dangerous, he apparently had no formal record of mental illness. Even though he had been told he could not enter his school with a backpack and was later expelled, even though the police had visited his home thirty-nine times between 2011 and 2018, he was able to buy that AR-15 at age 18!

        Even though we have laws meant to prevent persons who are mentally ill from acquiring guns, this kid passed a background check! This is yet another catastrophic failure of a whole panoply of law enforcement agencies, social services, and school authorities.

        Adding insult to injury, the FBI barely bothered to check out the YouTuber who reported Cruz's comment about becoming a "professional school shooter," and the bureau completely ignored a second, specific warning in January about his intentions to kill people. Both tips to the FBI included his full name. As Jeanine Pirro reported on her program, Judge Jeanine, there are only thirteen Nikolas Cruzes in the U.S.! The FBI did not even bother to do a database search, and now seventeen people are dead.

        Mistakes were made, to put it mildly. But now many of the young survivors, their parents, and the usual suspects on the left are blaming Trump. Why? Because he supports the NRA? Because he did not immediately speak out about gun control?

        The young, traumatized survivors of the massacre, some of them, are already speaking out blaming Trump, as if he has been president for as long as they've been alive. "How dare you?" said one of them on Meet the Press because Trump truthfully tweeted that the Democrats had not passed any gun control measures when they had the majority in both houses of Congress. Trump also alluded to the FBI's failure to act on the tips they had received but ignored. How dare he tell the truth?

        These grieving young people are being manipulated by the adults in their lives to use the tragic deaths of their classmates for political purposes. Just as the school shootings in Columbine and Newtown became political footballs during which the victims were all but forgotten, we are reliving the same application of politics over common sense once again. And again, kids are the pawns in what the left sees as a game. It is no game.

        Israel learned the hard way. A terrorist school shooting forty years ago took the lives of over a hundred elementary school children. Since then, any school in Israel with a hundred students or more has armed guards and staff with concealed weapons. Why do we in America value our air travelers, our congresspeople, celebrities, the employees and contents of all public buildings, museums, etc. more than we treasure our schoolchildren? Given the world we now inhabit, it seems that our schools would and should have the best security available today.

        If America had long ago adopted Israel's commonsense approach and made schools secure and protected by well trained armed persons, it is quite likely that Columbine and Newtown would never have happened. One young ROTC student at Stoneman Douglas High School commented that Coach Feis, who died after he threw himself in front of a group of kids and saved their lives, could have taken the shooter out had he been permitted to carry a gun. He might well have saved many more lives had he been armed.

        The local police and the FBI dropped the ball, and a tragedy ensued. The anti-gun lobby and these newly activist youngsters who think they can change the world by banning guns are irrelevant as well; the Second Amendment will never be overturned. There are already countless laws on the books to prevent people like Nikolas Cruz from getting his hands on a gun, but many people along the way did not do their job. Evil and insanity will always be with us. The only commonsense response as a nation is to remember that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

        Let the legacy of those young lives lost in Parkland be that we wake up and put an end to gun-free zones, especially at our schools. Let us protect our schoolchildren with the same fervor with which we protect those schlubs in Congress and all those Hollywood celebrities who never venture outside their homes without armed security. And make no mistake! Even if the Second Amendment were overturned and all civilian guns were confiscated (an impossible task), those folks would keep their armed guards.

        How about we value the lives of our schoolkids as much as members of Congress and all those celebs value their own?



        https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...shootings.html
        How long will it take before Trump before Trump begins mocking the kids protesting his inability to keep their schools safe Yeah Hey hey NRA how many kids did you kill today?If you want to hear what it will sound like dig up the clips of Trump mocking a handicapped reporter. The weekend wasn't a complete waste the president was able to get his golf in on Monday. and there are staffers in the White house see the shooting as a welcome distraction from the Stormy scandals swirling around the administration over abuse of travel and General Kelly and his attempts to sweep domestic abuse under the rug.It also gave Trump another avenue for for attacking his arch enemy the FBI.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by redrover View Post
          How long will it take before Trump before Trump begins mocking the kids protesting his inability to keep their schools safe Yeah Hey hey NRA how many kids did you kill today?If you want to hear what it will sound like dig up the clips of Trump mocking a handicapped reporter. The weekend wasn't a complete waste the president was able to get his golf in on Monday. and there are staffers in the White house see the shooting as a welcome distraction from the Stormy scandals swirling around the administration over abuse of travel and General Kelly and his attempts to sweep domestic abuse under the rug.It also gave Trump another avenue for for attacking his arch enemy the FBI.
          Yeah, what you said -rolleyes-

          Dead kids you like it seems. Dead kids and then you get to blame it on trump ! What a dance LOL

          Keep it up, it's fun to watch ...for a minute -winks-

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

            Yeah, what you said -rolleyes-

            Dead kids you like it seems. Dead kids and then you get to blame it on trump ! What a dance LOL

            Keep it up, it's fun to watch ...for a minute -winks-
            I am far beyond expecting any presidential leadership from this monster. He doesn't even know how to fake empathy for victims. What did he do after the other shootings that have taken place this year? Not a damn thing. Prayers won't get it done. Relax gun nuts in a few weeks the pressure will be off for a few months until we have the next mass shooting. I f you can just hang in there until June when schools let out for the summer you should be home free until September when the next hunting season on children begins.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

              As I said earlier, slavery is still happening right here in America.

              In many different ways and forms.

              The most rancid - in my opinion - is the sexual slavery that goes on right under all of our noses.

              Google "sexual slavery in america" and take some time to study. It's very sick what we do here.

              Here's one nice read - https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/20/us/se...ing/index.html

              Just a start. Just one of many of our massive dysfunctions.
              I'll see your link and raise you with another link:
              Take the dramatic evolution in English moral standards from the Georgians to the Victorians. England in the 18th century was a surprisingly transgressive place. Pornographic literature was popular and erotic manuals were read aloud in alehouses. Homosexuality was fashionable among gentlemen, serviced by cross-dressing rent boys in the Molly House subculture. Contra-ceptives were sold brazenly in Covent Garden. Gossipy rags like Characters of the Present Most Celebrated Courtesans provided titillating cartoons of rich women brought low by greed and desire. One such victim was described as ‘expensive in dress, extravagant in the indulgence of her palate, violently addicted to wine and strong liquors which she often drinks to excess, not infrequently to intoxication’
              http://www.historytoday.com/tim-stan...moral-climates

              The practice of proper, liberal political philosophy should not be confused with "libertine" philosophy. Social decay seems to happen in all complex cultures, ranging from theocracies, dictatorships and republics, regardless of where those societies started. That is why history usually refers to the eras of a society (fe, "republic"); Early, Classic and Late. The "Late" designation usually refers to decay, aka too much libertine practice. That points to what we hope for in the US Republic; a society that overcomes the tendency of internal decay, with a constant supply of competent groups who can take the reigns of leadership, after the previous leadership falls into libertine decay. In our current case, the "proper liberal" comes in part from that group that openly condemned the rapist of Hollywood, Harvey Weinstein and called to expand the purge (Hollywood to DC). If they regain leadership positions, limits on acceptable behavior are clear. If they fail, libertine practice continues to erode society. The same thing applies to the political right, which has it's apologists for a different set of libertines.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by redrover View Post
                I am far beyond expecting any presidential leadership from this monster. He doesn't even know how to fake empathy for victims. What did he do after the other shootings that have taken place this year? Not a damn thing. Prayers won't get it done. Relax gun nuts in a few weeks the pressure will be off for a few months until we have the next mass shooting. I f you can just hang in there until June when schools let out for the summer you should be home free until September when the next hunting season on children begins.
                Exactly.

                In the mean-time we can whine and noise about what a bad-guy this president is.

                Make up things to accuse him of, say he's a monster etc etc. .. just continue making asses of ourselves and making sure more kids get slaughtered next year... because calling the president names and making things up about him is more important than saving the lives of children.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                  I'll see your link and raise you with another link:
                  http://www.historytoday.com/tim-stan...moral-climates

                  The practice of proper, liberal political philosophy should not be confused with "libertine" philosophy. Social decay seems to happen in all complex cultures, ranging from theocracies, dictatorships and republics, regardless of where those societies started. That is why history usually refers to the eras of a society (fe, "republic"); Early, Classic and Late. The "Late" designation usually refers to decay, aka too much libertine practice. That points to what we hope for in the US Republic; a society that overcomes the tendency of internal decay, with a constant supply of competent groups who can take the reigns of leadership, after the previous leadership falls into libertine decay. In our current case, the "proper liberal" comes in part from that group that openly condemned the rapist of Hollywood, Harvey Weinstein and called to expand the purge (Hollywood to DC). If they regain leadership positions, limits on acceptable behavior are clear. If they fail, libertine practice continues to erode society. The same thing applies to the political right, which has it's apologists for a different set of libertines.
                  So what's your point ? Historical cycle ?

                  Are we to just enjoy the coming years of decay ?

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEYwNeBD4Uk

                  Or are we to try to stop them ?

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                  • #99
                    President Trump was deeply upset over the Parkland shooting. He hates sharing the front page with high school kids even for a few days.

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                    • Listen to this genius Doug Jones. He's wants to assure us that our kids will be easy to kill.

                      Another demented imbecile with a mouth & lungs. Don't believe he's an imbecile ? Read his words ...

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                      Jones: Alabama Bill to Arm Teachers 'Dumbest Idea I've Ever Heard'

                      A bill being introduced Tuesday in Alabama by State Rep. Will Ainsworth will allow trained, certified teachers to carry weapons on school campuses, legislation Alabama Sen. Doug Jones calls "the dumbest idea I've ever heard," according to a report in Alabama News 5.

                      "I think it's crazy. You don't need 40–50 guns in there, and it's a cost issue," the Democrat told reporters Monday during his visit to Mobile.

                      "You're going to have to train those teachers," he added. "You don't need to arm America in order to stop this, you just need to be smart about it."

                      Ainsworth, a Republican, filed the bill one day after a gunman opened fire at a high school in Florida, killing 17.

                      "We've got to make sure that when these evil people get in our schools that our kids have a fighting chance," said Ainsworth, who is running for lieutenant governor. "The only way we can do that is to have people armed in the schools to fight back."


                      https://www.newsmax.com/politics/us-.../20/id/844435/

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                      • We have to be honest & deal with reality if we don't want our kids being murdered.

                        Making our schools gun free zones has ended in a lot of dead kids.

                        Is that what we wanted ?

                        Do we want that to keep happening ?

                        It will.

                        Unless we replace a bad idea with a good idea. One that will work in the real world.

                        ---------------------------------------------

                        There are people who are totally determined to kill schoolkids, and we can defeat them, if we are willing to listen to the people who have learned how.

                        In 1974, Israel endured the Ma'alot Massacre at the hands of Islamic terrorists. Twenty-five were killed and 68 more injured. Since then, the Israelis have completely changed how they tackle school safety. Since 1974, there have been two successful attacks, with fewer than ten dead. In both cases, the bad guys were killed by armed teachers. That's still too many dead, but it's fewer than we lost in Florida just this week.

                        Let's remember one key fact. The rampage of every bad guy with a gun ends with intervention by a good guy with a gun. Period. Full stop. No exceptions. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed themselves when the cops closed in at Columbine High School. Syed Riswan Farook and Tashfeen Malik died in a hail of police gunfire in San Bernardino. Stephen Paddock ended it all in Las Vegas as the police got close. And Nikolas Cruz dropped his gun when the cops moved in. He was able to sneak out but got caught shortly after. Every bad guy with a gun was stopped by good guys with guns.

                        But in most schools, once a shooter gets past the front door, there are no more protective layers. Translation: A school is a target-rich environment. All students and faculty are targets. The Israelis saw this and got busy. They knew that the vast majority of terror attacks are stopped not by police, but by armed civilians. So they started training teachers in firearms use.

                        When you have armed faculty in a school, all of a sudden, the bad guy isn't walking into a free fire zone, where he can shoot at will. He's walking into a shooting gallery where he is the target. On top of that, he doesn't know which of the staff might be ready to shoot, or where they might be coming from. In short, only an idiot would try to shoot up a school with a trained staff of shooters. And the less he knows about who's carrying, the more difficult it is for him.

                        Once that layer is in place, there's yet another one: the students. Israel trains them on what to do in case a bad guy does get in. That involves "active shooter drills." Doors are barricaded so that bad guys can't get into classrooms. Desks get turned into cover by turning them over. A bad guy will have trouble shooting what he can't see. Finally, the kids learn that if a bad guy does get in, there are enough of them to take him down. He may get a couple, but the rest will defeat him.

                        Isn't that going to scare kids? How awful! But wouldn't you rather have a live scared child than a full casket? Oh. I forgot. You aren't supposed to ask that question. The left is the only side allowed to have a moral argument.

                        Let's get one thing clear. The left is all about feelings. Leftists are completely unconcerned with facts. And two facts remain absolutely clear. When a bad guy has a gun, the only thing that can ultimately save the life of a child is a good guy with a gun. Further, bad guys will always get guns.

                        It may seem heartless to deal with facts, but if we love our children, we must protect them. Since the bad guys always find a way to have guns, we have to make certain that we have enough good guys with guns who can protect them from evil.

                        The real question isn't which single fix we can make. For every complex question, there is a simple answer that is wrong. We know the steps that have to be taken. Schools have to be hardened so that they become safe places. But that hardening works together with measures outside the schools to create a defense in depth. More layers of defense create more safety for our children.

                        The real question is, do we love our children enough to let good guys with guns protect them from bad guys with guns?




                        https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._our_kids.html

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                        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                          We have to be honest & deal with reality if we don't want our kids being murdered.

                          Making our schools gun free zones has ended in a lot of dead kids.

                          Is that what we wanted ?

                          Do we want that to keep happening ?

                          It will.

                          Unless we replace a bad idea with a good idea. One that will work in the real world.

                          ---------------------------------------------

                          There are people who are totally determined to kill schoolkids, and we can defeat them, if we are willing to listen to the people who have learned how.

                          In 1974, Israel endured the Ma'alot Massacre at the hands of Islamic terrorists. Twenty-five were killed and 68 more injured. Since then, the Israelis have completely changed how they tackle school safety. Since 1974, there have been two successful attacks, with fewer than ten dead. In both cases, the bad guys were killed by armed teachers. That's still too many dead, but it's fewer than we lost in Florida just this week.

                          Let's remember one key fact. The rampage of every bad guy with a gun ends with intervention by a good guy with a gun. Period. Full stop. No exceptions. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed themselves when the cops closed in at Columbine High School. Syed Riswan Farook and Tashfeen Malik died in a hail of police gunfire in San Bernardino. Stephen Paddock ended it all in Las Vegas as the police got close. And Nikolas Cruz dropped his gun when the cops moved in. He was able to sneak out but got caught shortly after. Every bad guy with a gun was stopped by good guys with guns.

                          But in most schools, once a shooter gets past the front door, there are no more protective layers. Translation: A school is a target-rich environment. All students and faculty are targets. The Israelis saw this and got busy. They knew that the vast majority of terror attacks are stopped not by police, but by armed civilians. So they started training teachers in firearms use.

                          When you have armed faculty in a school, all of a sudden, the bad guy isn't walking into a free fire zone, where he can shoot at will. He's walking into a shooting gallery where he is the target. On top of that, he doesn't know which of the staff might be ready to shoot, or where they might be coming from. In short, only an idiot would try to shoot up a school with a trained staff of shooters. And the less he knows about who's carrying, the more difficult it is for him.

                          Once that layer is in place, there's yet another one: the students. Israel trains them on what to do in case a bad guy does get in. That involves "active shooter drills." Doors are barricaded so that bad guys can't get into classrooms. Desks get turned into cover by turning them over. A bad guy will have trouble shooting what he can't see. Finally, the kids learn that if a bad guy does get in, there are enough of them to take him down. He may get a couple, but the rest will defeat him.

                          Isn't that going to scare kids? How awful! But wouldn't you rather have a live scared child than a full casket? Oh. I forgot. You aren't supposed to ask that question. The left is the only side allowed to have a moral argument.

                          Let's get one thing clear. The left is all about feelings. Leftists are completely unconcerned with facts. And two facts remain absolutely clear. When a bad guy has a gun, the only thing that can ultimately save the life of a child is a good guy with a gun. Further, bad guys will always get guns.

                          It may seem heartless to deal with facts, but if we love our children, we must protect them. Since the bad guys always find a way to have guns, we have to make certain that we have enough good guys with guns who can protect them from evil.

                          The real question isn't which single fix we can make. For every complex question, there is a simple answer that is wrong. We know the steps that have to be taken. Schools have to be hardened so that they become safe places. But that hardening works together with measures outside the schools to create a defense in depth. More layers of defense create more safety for our children.

                          The real question is, do we love our children enough to let good guys with guns protect them from bad guys with guns?




                          https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._our_kids.html
                          You could deploy national guard units at every school, but maybe not Kent state. that didn't work out so well. I know I wouldn't want to be the gun teacher.It gets into all sorts of questions regarding rules of engagement. If I was planning a shooting rampage my first target would be the gun teacher. If my school had been attacked I would have been the teacher holding up a first grader to shield myself from gunfire.In the future when kids eminence about school days they will be saying. Do you ember Mr. Fields? He was a shitty teacher but a hell of a shot. I see the right wing is claiming the students protesting are actors. It must be old How muGeorge Soros at it again. How much more per year are you willing to pay the gun teacher? Or is this just another unpaid job teacher's get stuck with like bus duty?

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                          • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                            You could deploy national guard units at every school, but maybe not Kent state. that didn't work out so well. I know I wouldn't want to be the gun teacher.It gets into all sorts of questions regarding rules of engagement. If I was planning a shooting rampage my first target would be the gun teacher. If my school had been attacked I would have been the teacher holding up a first grader to shield myself from gunfire.In the future when kids eminence about school days they will be saying. Do you ember Mr. Fields? He was a shitty teacher but a hell of a shot. I see the right wing is claiming the students protesting are actors. It must be old How muGeorge Soros at it again. How much more per year are you willing to pay the gun teacher? Or is this just another unpaid job teacher's get stuck with like bus duty?
                            I don't know ? You'll have to ask people who decide they're not going to send their kids to these shooting ranges AKA public schools LOL

                            I personally don't give a sh*t. My kids never have and never will sit for 8 hours a day in one of these fun little slaughterhouses.

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                            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                              I don't know ? You'll have to ask people who decide they're not going to send their kids to these shooting ranges AKA public schools LOL

                              I personally don't give a sh*t. My kids never have and never will sit for 8 hours a day in one of these fun little slaughterhouses.
                              Yes I 'M sure they have better security at reform schools, but maybe we could learn something from down under.http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/201...provide_a.html

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                              • One "solution" to this issue that has been declared is that we should restrict gun purchases for those under 21 years of age. I am sorry, if we do not believe that people under the age of 21 are someone less capable of being fully responsible, thoughtful, law abiding citizens based on nothing more than their age, than we should not allow them to vote either.

                                the 18 year old voting age is still a relatively recent development in this country. The rational for lowering it from 21 was the fact that the draft age was lowered to 18. The reasoning being that if they can be expected to be compelled into service, they should have the right to vote. Well, we have all but eliminated the draft, so I think it is time to raise the age back to 21, with an exception for those who opt to serve in the military.

                                Otherwise, I do not believe that there should be any legal discrimination based on age beyond the age of 18. That includes the right to buy guns, they right to drink. Either 18 is old enough to fully exercise basic rights or not.

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