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  • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
    My guess on the origin of high velocity gats in classrooms: Hollywood. And lots of Cocaine and/or Booze.
    Let's consider the plan being advanced by Dumb- ass Don. We'll just arm retired marines have gone into teaching. Let me see how my career military men did we have teaching in my district uh zero. It won't do any good to tell Trump that this fantasy isn't going to come to fruition. Maybe someone should suggest that teacher's should be armed with hand grenades. You don't have be as accurate as with a pistol. According to the US Army I am an expert with grenade because in my entire life I have thrown exactly one grenade. Maybe I could get a job with the Trump administration going around the country teaching teachers how to throw grenades. Luxury flights only please. According to Trump teachers will be able to accomplish what armed deputies couldn't accomplish because they love their students. As I used to tell my student teachers we aren't paid to love them we are paid to teach them even the ones who aren't that loveable.

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    • Originally posted by redrover View Post

      Let's consider the plan being advanced by Dumb- ass Don. We'll just arm retired marines have gone into teaching. Let me see how my career military men did we have teaching in my district uh zero. It won't do any good to tell Trump that this fantasy isn't going to come to fruition. Maybe someone should suggest that teacher's should be armed with hand grenades. You don't have be as accurate as with a pistol. According to the US Army I am an expert with grenade because in my entire life I have thrown exactly one grenade. Maybe I could get a job with the Trump administration going around the country teaching teachers how to throw grenades. Luxury flights only please. According to Trump teachers will be able to accomplish what armed deputies couldn't accomplish because they love their students. As I used to tell my student teachers we aren't paid to love them we are paid to teach them even the ones who aren't that loveable.
      I'm sure the analysts for the "packing teacher" strategy already have an answer for doubting whiners like me. Sure, the trained cop and/or security dude failed to go into the breach at the FL school shooting, but maybe he was on his lunch break or something. Teachers are more badass than police officers, so they are better prepared to blaze away if a school building gets a visit from Twitchy the Shooter. If the analysts can ram enuf coke up their noses, they'll find the answer, I'm sure.

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      • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
        I'm sure the analysts for the "packing teacher" strategy already have an answer for doubting whiners like me. Sure, the trained cop and/or security dude failed to go into the breach at the FL school shooting, but maybe he was on his lunch break or something. Teachers are more badass than police officers, so they are better prepared to blaze away if a school building gets a visit from Twitchy the Shooter. If the analysts can ram enuf coke up their noses, they'll find the answer, I'm sure.
        It gets ever weirder what we're learning.

        A lot of our "great ideas" are simply coming to fruition it seems.

        Sad that they're affecting innocent kids though, kids who had no say in any of our "great ideas." Our great political ideas ...

        The cops can/will do nothing, at this stage doesn't it seem good to at least HOPE an armed teacher or school administrator, janitor, lunch lady, recess monitor - whatever - might end a gun wielding fruitloop from killing more of your kids ?

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        Broward County sheriff Scott Israel used the public funds he got by faking crime statistics and ignoring crimes to hire political supporters for his re-election campaign.

        This is the story worth telling, not the scripted anti-gun pap CNN offered up or the ten-minute hate town hall designed to play on your emotions while ignoring the truth. But only one blogger, Sundance, did the work to expose it.

        The rest of the MSM seem to be fine with jeopardizing students' lives, enabling criminals, and using public funds to advance the fortunes of Democrat candidates who allowed this tragedy to occur. As the press in South Florida stinks, do me a favor – pass this one to friends and relatives who live there and who have elected to Congress these avatars of a one-party system: Alcee Hastings, Ted Deutch, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and Frederica Wilson.

        ..there were four armed deputies at the Parkland, Florida high school, none of whom entered to intervene when the shooting occurred. Heroes like the JROTC students and the coach gave up their lives to protect others, while four armed cops did nothing to end the carnage. At least one witness said he saw the first deputy (Scot Peterson), who has since resigned, hiding behind a stairwell in a separate building while talking on his phone during the four to six minutes the shootings occurred, and it is likely he was talking to his superiors at the time.

        ..how is it that four armed cops remained outside the building and did nothing? For that, you have to go to Sundance on Conservative Treehouse, who, beginning with the Trayvon Martin case, has been keeping an eye on the Broward and Miami-Dade County Police Departments, filing FOIA requests and winkling out a major scandal. In sum, these actors, in order to obtain federal grants under Obama and Eric Holder, who conned governments into thinking that disparate outcomes – that is, more arrests and school expulsions of black kids than white kids – were the result of discrimination, did not discriminate regarding conduct issues. Local governments were rewarded with grants if they kept school arrests down, the cover being "let's stop the pipeline from schools to prisons." Without arrests, there was no record in background checks to keep violent people from having guns. It's that simple: no matter what steps you put into place to prevent such things, if the procedure is corrupted, it won't work. No matter how many armed deputies are at the site, if they are following orders not to intercede, or at least permitted to just stand idly by, they will be useless as protection.

        And yet the same people who are for disarming law-abiding citizens want to give the very people who are refusing to follow commonsense dictates for our protection more power and us less.

        If journalism awards were handed out to those who actually are engaged in journalism, Sundance would be getting one. Here are some of the things he turned up in his hard years long slogging through Broward and Miami-Dade Counties' police practices and operations.

        Broward and Miami-Dade Counties' law enforcement departments are deeply political. Scot Peterson was, until he resigned, a school resource officer (SRO). Backed by responses to repeated FOIA requests, Sundance concludes:

        The roles of SRO's are political, not law enforcement.


        ... [read on]

        https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...eep_state.html

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        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

          It gets ever weirder what we're learning.

          A lot of our "great ideas" are simply coming to fruition it seems.

          Sad that they're affecting innocent kids though, kids who had no say in any of our "great ideas." Our great political ideas ...

          The cops can/will do nothing, at this stage doesn't it seem good to at least HOPE an armed teacher or school administrator, janitor, lunch lady, recess monitor - whatever - might end a gun wielding fruitloop from killing more of your kids ?

          ------------------------------------------------------------------

          Broward County sheriff Scott Israel used the public funds he got by faking crime statistics and ignoring crimes to hire political supporters for his re-election campaign.

          This is the story worth telling, not the scripted anti-gun pap CNN offered up or the ten-minute hate town hall designed to play on your emotions while ignoring the truth. But only one blogger, Sundance, did the work to expose it.

          The rest of the MSM seem to be fine with jeopardizing students' lives, enabling criminals, and using public funds to advance the fortunes of Democrat candidates who allowed this tragedy to occur. As the press in South Florida stinks, do me a favor – pass this one to friends and relatives who live there and who have elected to Congress these avatars of a one-party system: Alcee Hastings, Ted Deutch, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and Frederica Wilson.

          ..there were four armed deputies at the Parkland, Florida high school, none of whom entered to intervene when the shooting occurred. Heroes like the JROTC students and the coach gave up their lives to protect others, while four armed cops did nothing to end the carnage. At least one witness said he saw the first deputy (Scot Peterson), who has since resigned, hiding behind a stairwell in a separate building while talking on his phone during the four to six minutes the shootings occurred, and it is likely he was talking to his superiors at the time.

          ..how is it that four armed cops remained outside the building and did nothing? For that, you have to go to Sundance on Conservative Treehouse, who, beginning with the Trayvon Martin case, has been keeping an eye on the Broward and Miami-Dade County Police Departments, filing FOIA requests and winkling out a major scandal. In sum, these actors, in order to obtain federal grants under Obama and Eric Holder, who conned governments into thinking that disparate outcomes – that is, more arrests and school expulsions of black kids than white kids – were the result of discrimination, did not discriminate regarding conduct issues. Local governments were rewarded with grants if they kept school arrests down, the cover being "let's stop the pipeline from schools to prisons." Without arrests, there was no record in background checks to keep violent people from having guns. It's that simple: no matter what steps you put into place to prevent such things, if the procedure is corrupted, it won't work. No matter how many armed deputies are at the site, if they are following orders not to intercede, or at least permitted to just stand idly by, they will be useless as protection.

          And yet the same people who are for disarming law-abiding citizens want to give the very people who are refusing to follow commonsense dictates for our protection more power and us less.

          If journalism awards were handed out to those who actually are engaged in journalism, Sundance would be getting one. Here are some of the things he turned up in his hard years long slogging through Broward and Miami-Dade Counties' police practices and operations.

          Broward and Miami-Dade Counties' law enforcement departments are deeply political. Scot Peterson was, until he resigned, a school resource officer (SRO). Backed by responses to repeated FOIA requests, Sundance concludes:

          The roles of SRO's are political, not law enforcement.


          ... [read on]

          https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...eep_state.html
          Whatever happened to extreme vetting? Where did I hear that term?Certainly not in connection to buying an assault weapon or working in the white house.Now I remember extreme vetting is only college students who happen to be Muslims. No vetting of any kind needed for Jews who marry into the family. On top of boycotting the GOP we can also boycott companies that are connected to the NRA. I realize that boycotts are largely symbolic but occasionally as in the case of the Montgomery bus boycott they can make a difference. In the meantime let's pretend that we are going to arm roving bands of kindergarten teachers who just happen to be ex-marines will keep our children safe. .https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-boycott-calls

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          • Originally posted by redrover View Post
            Whatever happened to extreme vetting? Where did I hear that term?Certainly not in connection to buying an assault weapon or working in the white house.Now I remember extreme vetting is only college students who happen to be Muslims. No vetting of any kind needed for Jews who marry into the family. On top of boycotting the GOP we can also boycott companies that are connected to the NRA. I realize that boycotts are largely symbolic but occasionally as in the case of the Montgomery bus boycott they can make a difference. In the meantime let's pretend that we are going to arm roving bands of kindergarten teachers who just happen to be ex-marines will keep our children safe. .https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-boycott-calls
            Thank you for illustrating many of the points in the article cited above so well.

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            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

              Thank you for illustrating many of the points in the article cited above so well.
              The only way to get the attention of republicans is to hit them in their wallet. You will never get anywhere appealing to their sense of right and wrong..Their idea of a wrong is violating their second amendment rights. Now that is pure evil.

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              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                The only way to get the attention of republicans is to hit them in their wallet. You will never get anywhere appealing to their sense of right and wrong..Their idea of a wrong is violating their second amendment rights. Now that is pure evil.
                Funny, since Trump got elected, libs have found patriotism and morality. Maybe they will find God.

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                • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                  Funny, since Trump got elected, libs have found patriotism and morality. Maybe they will find God.
                  It's kind of hard to find something that doesn't exist. I hope you have a good place to hide your AR-15. You probably haven't noticed that the country is with the kids and not president Dumb- ass. "We'll just arm the teachers." It ain't going to happen. Not even in Missouri where school shootings never cause much of a stir anyway.https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...onwide-problem

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                  • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                    It's kind of hard to find something that doesn't exist.
                    Because Rover the "all knowing" says so. Now we ignorant folk know !

                    Originally posted by redrover View Post
                    I hope you have a good place to hide your AR-15. You probably haven't noticed that the country is with the kids and not president Dumb- ass.
                    Because Rover the "all knowing" says so. Now we ignorant folk know !

                    Originally posted by redrover View Post
                    "We'll just arm the teachers." It ain't going to happen.
                    Because Rover the "all knowing" says so. Now we ignorant folk know !

                    Originally posted by redrover View Post
                    Not even in Missouri where school shootings never cause much of a stir anyway.https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...onwide-problem
                    It's certainly been enlightening to interact with Rover the all knowing !

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                    • So what went wrong ? Does anyone want to know ?

                      Really ?

                      Probably not ! More death brought to us by .....

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                      ....

                      In November 2013, Sundance first reported that Broward County was "willing to jump on the diversionary bandwagon." As an attached Associated Press article noted, "One of the nation's largest school districts has reached an agreement with law enforcement agencies and the NAACP to reduce the number of students being charged with crimes for minor offenses." The goal, as the article explained, was to create an alternative to the zero-tolerance policies then in place by giving principals, not law enforcement, the authority to determine the nature of the offense.

                      In a collaborative agreement among school officials and law enforcement, the presence of the NAACP might seem anomalous, but not in the Obama era, where considerations of race routinely shaped educational policy. "One of the first things I saw was a huge differential in minority students, black male students in particular, in terms of suspensions and arrests," Broward's recently hired school superintendent, Robert Runcie, told the American Prospect. A black American, Runcie assumed that the differential was due largely to some unspoken institutional bias against minorities. As he saw it, these suspensions played a major role in the so-called "achievement gap" between white and minority students.

                      The first two "whereas" clauses in the collaborative agreement deal with opportunities for students in general, but the third speaks to the motivating issue behind the agreement: "Whereas, across the country, students of color, students with disabilities, and LGBTQ students are disproportionately impacted by school-based arrests for the same behavior as their peers."

                      The spurious "same behavior" insinuation would put the onus on law enforcement to treat black students more gingerly than they would non-blacks. To make the issue seem less stark, authorities cloaked the black American crime disparity with EEOC boilerplate about "students of color" and other presumably marginalized individuals. Although nonsensical on the face of it – one is hard pressed to recall a crime spree by the disabled this language opened the door for Nikolas de Jesus Cruz. An adopted son of the late Roger and Linda Cruz, the future school shooter had a name that fit the "metrics" of the collaborative agreement, regardless of his DNA.

                      It is not hard to understand why Broward County officials would be eager to adopt this program. Miami-Dade had been receiving all kinds of honors for its efforts to shut down the dread "school-to-prison" pipeline. On February 15, 2012, Miami-Dade County Public Schools put out a press release citing a commendation the Miami-Dade Schools Police (M-DSPD) had recently received. The Department of Juvenile Justice had singled out Miami-Dade for "dramatically decreasing" school-related "delinquency." Said M-DSPD Chief Charles Hurley, "Our mantra is education not incarceration."

                      Seventeen-year-old Miami-Dade student Trayvon Martin got neither incarceration nor education. Eleven days after this self-congratulatory press release, Martin was shot and killed in Sanford, Florida, 250 miles from his Miami home. For all the attention paid to the case, the media have refused to report why Martin was left to wander the streets of Sanford, high and alone on a Sunday night during a school week.

                      Sundance, who lives in South Florida, broke this story through old-fashioned gumshoe reporting. He writes, "Over time the policy [in Miami-Dade] began to create outcomes where illegal behavior by students was essentially unchecked by law enforcement." Sundance was alerted to the problem during the investigation into Martin's death when six M-DSPD officers blew the whistle on their superiors, the most notable of them being Chief Hurley. The whistleblowers told of cases of burglary and robbery where officers had to hide the recovered evidence in order to avoid writing up the students for criminal behavior. "At first I didn't believe them," writes Sundance of the whistleblowers. "However, after getting information from detectives, cross referencing police reports, and looking at the 'found merchandise' I realized they were telling the truth."

                      One of those incidents involved Martin. Caught with a dozen pieces of stolen female jewelry and a burglary tool, Martin had his offense written off as entering an unauthorized area and writing graffiti on a locker. There could be no effort made to track the jewelry to its rightful owner, lest Martin's apprehension be elevated to the level of a crime. Instead, Martin was suspended, one of three suspensions that school year.

                      When George Zimmerman saw him that night in the rain, Martin, now on his third suspension, was looking in windows of the complex's apartments. Zimmerman thought he was casing them. Given his history, Martin probably was. Zimmerman dialed the police. The rest is history – or, more accurately, would have been history if the media had reported Martin's brutal assault on Zimmerman honestly, but they almost universally refused to do so.

                      Broward County launched its "education not incarceration" experiment four months after Zimmerman was rightfully found not guilty in the Martin case. By this time, Sundance and his fellow Treepers had exposed the corruption that Miami-Dade's seemingly enlightened policy had wrought within its school police department. Given the mainstream media's failure to follow up on Sundance's work, even in Florida, it is likely that Broward officials did not know how deeply the policy had compromised police work in Miami-Dade.

                      What Broward County authorities did know is that the best "school resource officers," the euphemism for in-school sheriff's deputies, were those most sensitive to the objectives of the PROMISE program. It is hardly shocking that in 2014, the now notorious Scot Peterson was named School Resource Officer of the Year by the Broward County Crime Commission for handling issues "with tact and judgment." The motto of that crime commission? "Evil triumphs when good people stand idly by." Yikes!

                      Peterson, the commission noted, was also "active in mentoring and counseling students." It appears that Nikolas Cruz got counseled a lot. Better to educate him, after all, than incarcerate him. Although there are many details still to be known, the Miami Herald reported on Friday that, in November 2017, a tipster called the Broward Sheriff's Office (BSO) to say Cruz "'could be a school shooter in the making,' but deputies did not write up a report on that warning."

                      The Herald added that this tip came just weeks after a relative called urging BSO to seize his weapons. Two years prior, "A deputy investigated a report that Cruz 'planned to shoot up the school' – intelligence that was forwarded to the school's resource officer, with no apparent result."

                      That school resource officer just happened to be Scot Peterson. He did not err by letting this misunderstood Hispanic lad go unpunished in any meaningful way. Peterson showed his award-winning "tact and judgment." He had to understand that to keep the PROMISE momentum going, the school would have to see fewer and fewer arrests each year. This meant excusing worse and worse offenses, especially for students who counted as minorities. As for the qualities real cops are expected to show – courage under fire comes to mind – those were obviously not Peterson's strong suit.

                      "The school resource officer was behind a stairwell wall just standing there, and he had his gun drawn. And he was just pointing it at the building," said student Brandon Huff of Peterson. "And you could – shots started going off inside. You could hear them going off over and over."

                      In a surprisingly tough interview with Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, CNN's Jake Tapper cited the 23 incidents before the shooting that involved Cruz and questioned whether the PROMISE program might have been responsible for the inaction by the sheriff's office.

                      "It's helping many, many people," said Israel in defense of the program. "What this program does is not put a person at 14, 15, 16 years old into the criminal justice system."

                      Said Tapper, "What if he should be in the criminal justice system? What if he does something violent to a student? What if he takes bullets to school? What if he takes knives to schools? What if he threatens the lives of fellow students?" As solid as these questions are, if CNN had raised comparable questions after the death of Trayvon Martin, 17 Parkland students might still be alive.

                      Says Sundance in conclusion, "I will give testimony, provide names, outline dates, and give all prior records to any lawyer for use in a wrongful death lawsuit – so long as their intent would be to financially ruin the entire system and personally bankrupt the participants."


                      https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...rd_county.html

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                      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                        So what went wrong ? Does anyone want to know ?

                        Really ?

                        Probably not ! More death brought to us by .....

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                        ....

                        In November 2013, Sundance first reported that Broward County was "willing to jump on the diversionary bandwagon." As an attached Associated Press article noted, "One of the nation's largest school districts has reached an agreement with law enforcement agencies and the NAACP to reduce the number of students being charged with crimes for minor offenses." The goal, as the article explained, was to create an alternative to the zero-tolerance policies then in place by giving principals, not law enforcement, the authority to determine the nature of the offense.

                        In a collaborative agreement among school officials and law enforcement, the presence of the NAACP might seem anomalous, but not in the Obama era, where considerations of race routinely shaped educational policy. "One of the first things I saw was a huge differential in minority students, black male students in particular, in terms of suspensions and arrests," Broward's recently hired school superintendent, Robert Runcie, told the American Prospect. A black American, Runcie assumed that the differential was due largely to some unspoken institutional bias against minorities. As he saw it, these suspensions played a major role in the so-called "achievement gap" between white and minority students.

                        The first two "whereas" clauses in the collaborative agreement deal with opportunities for students in general, but the third speaks to the motivating issue behind the agreement: "Whereas, across the country, students of color, students with disabilities, and LGBTQ students are disproportionately impacted by school-based arrests for the same behavior as their peers."

                        The spurious "same behavior" insinuation would put the onus on law enforcement to treat black students more gingerly than they would non-blacks. To make the issue seem less stark, authorities cloaked the black American crime disparity with EEOC boilerplate about "students of color" and other presumably marginalized individuals. Although nonsensical on the face of it – one is hard pressed to recall a crime spree by the disabled this language opened the door for Nikolas de Jesus Cruz. An adopted son of the late Roger and Linda Cruz, the future school shooter had a name that fit the "metrics" of the collaborative agreement, regardless of his DNA.

                        It is not hard to understand why Broward County officials would be eager to adopt this program. Miami-Dade had been receiving all kinds of honors for its efforts to shut down the dread "school-to-prison" pipeline. On February 15, 2012, Miami-Dade County Public Schools put out a press release citing a commendation the Miami-Dade Schools Police (M-DSPD) had recently received. The Department of Juvenile Justice had singled out Miami-Dade for "dramatically decreasing" school-related "delinquency." Said M-DSPD Chief Charles Hurley, "Our mantra is education not incarceration."

                        Seventeen-year-old Miami-Dade student Trayvon Martin got neither incarceration nor education. Eleven days after this self-congratulatory press release, Martin was shot and killed in Sanford, Florida, 250 miles from his Miami home. For all the attention paid to the case, the media have refused to report why Martin was left to wander the streets of Sanford, high and alone on a Sunday night during a school week.

                        Sundance, who lives in South Florida, broke this story through old-fashioned gumshoe reporting. He writes, "Over time the policy [in Miami-Dade] began to create outcomes where illegal behavior by students was essentially unchecked by law enforcement." Sundance was alerted to the problem during the investigation into Martin's death when six M-DSPD officers blew the whistle on their superiors, the most notable of them being Chief Hurley. The whistleblowers told of cases of burglary and robbery where officers had to hide the recovered evidence in order to avoid writing up the students for criminal behavior. "At first I didn't believe them," writes Sundance of the whistleblowers. "However, after getting information from detectives, cross referencing police reports, and looking at the 'found merchandise' I realized they were telling the truth."

                        One of those incidents involved Martin. Caught with a dozen pieces of stolen female jewelry and a burglary tool, Martin had his offense written off as entering an unauthorized area and writing graffiti on a locker. There could be no effort made to track the jewelry to its rightful owner, lest Martin's apprehension be elevated to the level of a crime. Instead, Martin was suspended, one of three suspensions that school year.

                        When George Zimmerman saw him that night in the rain, Martin, now on his third suspension, was looking in windows of the complex's apartments. Zimmerman thought he was casing them. Given his history, Martin probably was. Zimmerman dialed the police. The rest is history – or, more accurately, would have been history if the media had reported Martin's brutal assault on Zimmerman honestly, but they almost universally refused to do so.

                        Broward County launched its "education not incarceration" experiment four months after Zimmerman was rightfully found not guilty in the Martin case. By this time, Sundance and his fellow Treepers had exposed the corruption that Miami-Dade's seemingly enlightened policy had wrought within its school police department. Given the mainstream media's failure to follow up on Sundance's work, even in Florida, it is likely that Broward officials did not know how deeply the policy had compromised police work in Miami-Dade.

                        What Broward County authorities did know is that the best "school resource officers," the euphemism for in-school sheriff's deputies, were those most sensitive to the objectives of the PROMISE program. It is hardly shocking that in 2014, the now notorious Scot Peterson was named School Resource Officer of the Year by the Broward County Crime Commission for handling issues "with tact and judgment." The motto of that crime commission? "Evil triumphs when good people stand idly by." Yikes!

                        Peterson, the commission noted, was also "active in mentoring and counseling students." It appears that Nikolas Cruz got counseled a lot. Better to educate him, after all, than incarcerate him. Although there are many details still to be known, the Miami Herald reported on Friday that, in November 2017, a tipster called the Broward Sheriff's Office (BSO) to say Cruz "'could be a school shooter in the making,' but deputies did not write up a report on that warning."

                        The Herald added that this tip came just weeks after a relative called urging BSO to seize his weapons. Two years prior, "A deputy investigated a report that Cruz 'planned to shoot up the school' – intelligence that was forwarded to the school's resource officer, with no apparent result."

                        That school resource officer just happened to be Scot Peterson. He did not err by letting this misunderstood Hispanic lad go unpunished in any meaningful way. Peterson showed his award-winning "tact and judgment." He had to understand that to keep the PROMISE momentum going, the school would have to see fewer and fewer arrests each year. This meant excusing worse and worse offenses, especially for students who counted as minorities. As for the qualities real cops are expected to show – courage under fire comes to mind – those were obviously not Peterson's strong suit.

                        "The school resource officer was behind a stairwell wall just standing there, and he had his gun drawn. And he was just pointing it at the building," said student Brandon Huff of Peterson. "And you could – shots started going off inside. You could hear them going off over and over."

                        In a surprisingly tough interview with Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, CNN's Jake Tapper cited the 23 incidents before the shooting that involved Cruz and questioned whether the PROMISE program might have been responsible for the inaction by the sheriff's office.

                        "It's helping many, many people," said Israel in defense of the program. "What this program does is not put a person at 14, 15, 16 years old into the criminal justice system."

                        Said Tapper, "What if he should be in the criminal justice system? What if he does something violent to a student? What if he takes bullets to school? What if he takes knives to schools? What if he threatens the lives of fellow students?" As solid as these questions are, if CNN had raised comparable questions after the death of Trayvon Martin, 17 Parkland students might still be alive.

                        Says Sundance in conclusion, "I will give testimony, provide names, outline dates, and give all prior records to any lawyer for use in a wrongful death lawsuit – so long as their intent would be to financially ruin the entire system and personally bankrupt the participants."


                        https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...rd_county.html
                        Trayon Martin, I haven't seen that name in a while. No one is challenging your second amendment right to kill black kids.In 1936 my new little known American liberal hero wrote a book in response to the Supreme court shooting down a New Deal agricultural program. The book " whose Constitution" asks when is it time to curb the selfish individualistic freedoms that present a greater danger to the greater society?

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                        • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post


                          Arming teachers is probably a bad idea. Although if you had a few who were trained, like military people who were not desk sitters, it might be a good backup. But the only sensible security is school lock down, as they did when my wife taught in alternative school here, in a dangerous area of town, our northside ghetto. If I were to drop by and visit, she would notify the office when she entered into the school that I would be coming by at such and such a time and they would let me in from one of the locked entrances. The doors would lock, and it was like you see in some hospitals, a button to press on the outside which would buzz in the principles office or security. You would be then allowed in by the security guard. I cannot think of a better way to minimize these school shootings and it is common sense. Yes, it would cost money, to refit an older school for this security measure, but going by the way this new country school looks a few miles from me, since it looks like a prison, no doubt you could secure these easily and lock it down during school hours.

                          If we are serious about this issue, and not just using it as a political football, a wedge, to exploit partisan driven division, this is a no brainer. It should have been done years ago. It would be more effective than any new gun law that would be passed. And because of that, it probably will not be used. Solving problems is not exactly the forte of either party these days. They would rather fight with no sensible solution, for political reasons, as they struggle to see which head of the one party system will be in power. Power is a big deal to these politicians. In fact, it is number 1, number 1, USA, USA.
                          Arming teachers generally IS a bad idea, coming up with a profile for teachers who it may be a good idea to arm (with the appropriate training and vetting) is a very good idea. We need to get away from the oversimplification of issues, good solutions rarely fit neatly onto a bumper sticker.

                          School lockdown may work in some situations, but what if the fire alarm is pulled by a would-be killer? All of these ideas need to be carefully vetted, as we should always be wary of the law of unintended consequences.

                          Case in point, pre-9/11, FAA protocols for airline flight crews in the event of a hijacking was to accommodate the hijackers' demands in order to ensure the immediate safety of the passengers and crew (so locked and reinforced cockpit doors at the time would have been pointless). If a hijacker had a box cutter at someone's throat, the pilot was SUPPOSED to turn control of the aircraft over to the hijackers. This was based on what had been prior experience and modus operandi of hijackers (to seize aircraft for hostages or to land at a specific destination). Since 9/11 this has been revised. That said, there are many people who tend to be myopic reactionaries who will scream like banshees the next time an innocent passenger is killed because pilots refuse to turn over control of the aircraft, and in hindsight it turns out the would-be hijacker is not a suicide hijacker, but the old fashioned kind.

                          Reviewing policies, laws, regulations, etc. after incidents is very much needed, but that is very different from reactionary second-guessing based on 20/20 hindsight.

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                          • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                            Whatever happened to extreme vetting? Where did I hear that term?Certainly not in connection to buying an assault weapon or working in the white house.Now I remember extreme vetting is only college students who happen to be Muslims. No vetting of any kind needed for Jews who marry into the family. On top of boycotting the GOP we can also boycott companies that are connected to the NRA. I realize that boycotts are largely symbolic but occasionally as in the case of the Montgomery bus boycott they can make a difference. In the meantime let's pretend that we are going to arm roving bands of kindergarten teachers who just happen to be ex-marines will keep our children safe. .https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-boycott-calls
                            This is fundamentally different from "extreme vetting" of immigrants or foreign travelers to our country, NONE of whom have any fundamental right or privilege to enter our country. Also, much of what is proposed raises real constitutional due process issues (the denial to exercise a right or privilege without due process of law) and subject to abuse, particularly in the hand of anti-gun reactionaries.

                            Quite frankly, I have a fundamental issue with any age-discriminatory laws that place special restrictions on those over the age of 18. The full rights and privileges of citizenship should be all or nothing, not a pick-and-choose. Now, that pinciple established, if we want to raise the age at which people can buy a particular type of firearm (or any type) to 21, fine, so long as the voting age is raised as well.

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                            • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

                              Arming teachers generally IS a bad idea, coming up with a profile for teachers who it may be a good idea to arm (with the appropriate training and vetting) is a very good idea. We need to get away from the oversimplification of issues, good solutions rarely fit neatly onto a bumper sticker.

                              School lockdown may work in some situations, but what if the fire alarm is pulled by a would-be killer? All of these ideas need to be carefully vetted, as we should always be wary of the law of unintended consequences.

                              Case in point, pre-9/11, FAA protocols for airline flight crews in the event of a hijacking was to accommodate the hijackers' demands in order to ensure the immediate safety of the passengers and crew (so locked and reinforced cockpit doors at the time would have been pointless). If a hijacker had a box cutter at someone's throat, the pilot was SUPPOSED to turn control of the aircraft over to the hijackers. This was based on what had been prior experience and modus operandi of hijackers (to seize aircraft for hostages or to land at a specific destination). Since 9/11 this has been revised. That said, there are many people who tend to be myopic reactionaries who will scream like banshees the next time an innocent passenger is killed because pilots refuse to turn over control of the aircraft, and in hindsight it turns out the would-be hijacker is not a suicide hijacker, but the old fashioned kind.

                              Reviewing policies, laws, regulations, etc. after incidents is very much needed, but that is very different from reactionary second-guessing based on 20/20 hindsight.
                              You can take this to the bank. There will be absolutely no arming of teachers. Sooner or later Twinkle toes Trump is going to have to come back to earth. Right now it's hard enough to get school districts to pay for paper let alone weapons training for teachers. I see that Twinkly wants to arm 40% of teachers which would mean we would have more armed teachers in this country than armed police officers. Brilliant.

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                              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                                You can take this to the bank. There will be absolutely no arming of teachers. Sooner or later Twinkle toes Trump is going to have to come back to earth. Right now it's hard enough to get school districts to pay for paper let alone weapons training for teachers. I see that Twinkly wants to arm 40% of teachers which would mean we would have more armed teachers in this country than armed police officers. Brilliant.
                                Those who propose the arming of teachers are counting on finding the 4% of teachers who would be vetted as "able to go into the breach". Teachers that had previous (and successful) experience dealing with deadly violence. Am I being optimistic at 4%? Probably a good argument, but what is certain is that it won't be anywhere close to 40%. The most frustrating part of this latest dysfunction, is how this "idea" might be the one and only proposal. Universal background checks, with a method for local law enforcement to get the seriously disturbed into a national database? That will fall off the radar in favor of the "wait and shoot' fantasy. Hope I'm wrong, but decisions made by DC in recent years point right down the rabbit hole.

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