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  • Voland
    started a topic Trump meets EU head

    Trump meets EU head

    Jean-Claude Juncker, a former Prime Minister of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg and current President of the European Commission might not be well known in the US. Yet he is the highest ranking "Eurocrat", and in that function he is meeting president Trump tomorrow in what may be a last serious attempt to avoid a trade war between the US and the EU.
    The polyglott Juncker, who recently joked in Germany that Trump had called him a "brutal killer" at the G 7, rarely goes on diplomatic missions himself. That he was chosen underlines the significance of the meeting, but also that the EU intends to signal speaking with one voice.
    He is considered to build Trump ( that seemed to gear up on Twitter again ahead of the meeting) two bridges that he could cross without loosing face ( the Europeans are aware that Trump faces considerable domestic resistance against car tariffs) and to insist on one condition. And not to forget : Juncker, wether one likes him or loathes him, is an old fox that his opponents usually underestimate to their peril. It will be interesting how he does with Trump


    https://www.politico.eu/article/dona...or-discussion/
    Last edited by Voland; 07-24-2018, 04:24 PM.

  • DavidSF
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post

    Could you please post the link that tells about Trump tossing in a couple billion of his own money to bail out farmers. I've seen stories how he has pledged billions of our dollars.
    NOT unexpectedly (from you), I did not say "his own money." That was your own invention. So, to your request, no.

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  • redrover
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    Originally posted by DavidSF View Post

    Another idiotic response, but I'll have to settle for this since you're not likely to ever answer me intelligently. So you were not aware that he tossed in a couple Billion to offset the offers.
    Could you please post the link that tells about Trump tossing in a couple billion of his own money to bail out farmers. I've seen stories how he has pledged billions of our dollars.

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  • DavidSF
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post
    I didn't know he was paying out of his own pocket. Fake news didn't cover that part.
    Another idiotic response, but I'll have to settle for this since you're not likely to ever answer me intelligently. So you were not aware that he tossed in a couple Billion to offset the offers.

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  • redrover
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    I didn't know he was paying out of his own pocket. Fake news didn't cover that part.

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  • DavidSF
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post

    Aren't you tired of Trump spending your tax money on problems he's created? Oh I forgot you don't pay taxes do you?
    You didn't answer my question: DID YOU NOT HEAR about the money Trump offered to offset those farmer's losses?

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  • redrover
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    Originally posted by DavidSF View Post

    But you didn't hear about the billions of dollars Trump offered to try to offset those losses?

    Another idiot, knee-jerk response from you.
    Aren't you tired of Trump spending your tax money on problems he's created? Oh I forgot you don't pay taxes do you?

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  • DavidSF
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post

    I do listen to the news and I've heard the interviews with farmers complaining about losing markets that took them years to develop.They were probably just actors wearing bib overalls.
    But you didn't hear about the billions of dollars Trump offered to try to offset those losses?

    Another idiot, knee-jerk response from you.

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  • redrover
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    Originally posted by DavidSF View Post

    You really believe if they had “figured that out,” they wouldn’t already be getting that stuff elsewhere? You don’t have much of a head for economics, do you.
    I do listen to the news and I've heard the interviews with farmers complaining about losing markets that took them years to develop.They were probably just actors wearing bib overalls.

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  • DavidSF
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post

    I think the EU and many other countries around the world have figured out that America doesn't have anything we can't get elsewhere with a lot less hassle.
    You really believe if they had “figured that out,” they wouldn’t already be getting that stuff elsewhere? You don’t have much of a head for economics, do you.

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  • redrover
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    Originally posted by DavidSF View Post
    You and I are saying the same thing yet seeing it differently:

    To my perspective, it is irrelevant who invited whom: The point is, he came and they talked. Although I also agree that further saber-rattling is unwarranted now since it seems to have done what (I believe) he intended it to do.
    I think the EU and many other countries around the world have figured out that America doesn't have anything we can't get elsewhere with a lot less hassle.

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  • DavidSF
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    You and I are saying the same thing yet seeing it differently:

    To my perspective, it is irrelevant who invited whom: The point is, he came and they talked. Although I also agree that further saber-rattling is unwarranted now since it seems to have done what (I believe) he intended it to do.

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  • Voland
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    Originally posted by DavidSF View Post

    I don't understand how you have missed (or overlooked) he STILL got the head of the EU to come to him. THAT, to me, is the whole point of an aggressive negotiation style.

    Don't get me wrong, he has blustered and I have not always understood (or supported) it and, as you said earlier, someone take that Twitter account away from the man. But nevertheless, he IS talking to Europe ... collectively through Juncker ... and there is talk that China might follow suit.

    I get that European leadership doesn't particularly like his bullying style, especially after being allowed to run Obama around in circles and get pretty much everything they wanted... but I see this as success and not without a purpose.

    I didn´t miss it. But it was Trump that invited him, not the other way around.


    https://www.politico.eu/article/us-p...trade-tariffs/


    When Juncker was PM of Luxembourg I didn´t particularly like him. But it was never in doubt that he is a very sly old fox. He has not bothered about "teaching" Trump (Merkel), he has not bothered about buttering him up with masculinity ( Macron), he has not bothered about commenting on Twitter in response to his insults (unlike Merkel Juncker has a Twitter account), he has drawn up a plan for him that crosses not a single of the EUs red lines, but that allows him ( Trump) to claim a success. Win/win, even if Trump according to "Art of the deal" doesn`t believe in win/win.
    Negotiating removal of tariffs ? Is an offer that the EU has already made to Obama. But probably it is important for Trump that he can claim this "success". If that helps, so be it.
    Soybeans and liquid gas ? Orders were apparently already in the pipeline. But in the grand scheme of things these matter far less than f.e. cars.
    At the same time Juncker has made clear that the EU will stick to its guns if Trump opts for driving his bullying style further. The Commission president didn`t hide his differences with Trump, but he was quoted as saying : "He respects those more that tell him uncomfortable truths straight in his face, instead of beating around the bush."
    In that case it seems to have worked.. Hopefully things stay that way now.

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  • DavidSF
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    Originally posted by Voland View Post
    1. The EU has not offered anything it hasn´t offered before.

    2. Trumps attempts to break the EUs unity were unsucessful (not for lack of trying). Bullying tactics leading to no obvious result.

    3. He got under pressure recently from Republicans that are not usually criticizing him as well as companies posting negative news blamed on his tariffs. There is furthermore, as far as I understand, no majority in the US that views agressive measures/rethoric against Europe as a winning strategy.

    4. Thus it seemed the smarter option to go back to square one, including a little windowdressing. That was made easier by Juncker ( that he had insulted on Twitter before) apparently able to break the ice with him and the fact that the EU itself had no interest in escalation. It was prepared to respond to an escalation such as car tariffs though. With serious steps. Juncker hinted at currency markets and taxing US IT companies data generated in Europe ("digital tax") himself. Google has just realized that Junckers Commission doesn´t joke.

    What we can agree on though is that the outcome of this meeting is generally positive -- as long as it is not shot to pieces by new Tweets or other gems.
    I don't understand how you have missed (or overlooked) he STILL got the head of the EU to come to him. THAT, to me, is the whole point of an aggressive negotiation style.

    Don't get me wrong, he has blustered and I have not always understood (or supported) it and, as you said earlier, someone take that Twitter account away from the man. But nevertheless, he IS talking to Europe ... collectively through Juncker ... and there is talk that China might follow suit.

    I get that European leadership doesn't particularly like his bullying style, especially after being allowed to run Obama around in circles and get pretty much everything they wanted... but I see this as success and not without a purpose.

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  • Voland
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    1. The EU has not offered anything it hasn´t offered before.

    2. Trumps attempts to break the EUs unity were unsucessful (not for lack of trying). Bullying tactics leading to no obvious result.

    3. He got under pressure recently from Republicans that are not usually criticizing him as well as companies posting negative news blamed on his tariffs. There is furthermore, as far as I understand, no majority in the US that views agressive measures/rethoric against Europe as a winning strategy.

    4. Thus it seemed the smarter option to go back to square one, including a little windowdressing. That was made easier by Juncker ( that he had insulted on Twitter before) apparently able to break the ice with him and the fact that the EU itself had no interest in escalation. It was prepared to respond to an escalation such as car tariffs though. With serious steps. Juncker hinted at currency markets and taxing US IT companies data generated in Europe ("digital tax") himself. Google has just realized that Junckers Commission doesn´t joke.

    What we can agree on though is that the outcome of this meeting is generally positive -- as long as it is not shot to pieces by new Tweets or other gems.
    Last edited by Voland; 07-26-2018, 08:09 AM.

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