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  • Originally posted by redrover View Post

    Following Justice Department rules he claims he couldn't indict a sitting president. all he could do was present the evidence to congress and leave it up to corrupt senators like Graham and McConnell to say total exoneration. As we prepare for war with war with Iran everyone should be worried by Trump's unfitness for office. .https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...521?yptr=yahoo
    Mueller said the sitting president rule had nothing to do with it. But it's easier just to ignore facts that don't fit a desired narrative.

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    • Originally posted by msc View Post

      Mueller said the sitting president rule had nothing to do with it. But it's easier just to ignore facts that don't fit a desired narrative.
      Another person who hasn't read the report chips in It's like when you tell your Dad. No need to read my report card It says I'm doing great.Yesterday the White House counsel claimed that Congress doesn't have the right to subpoena documents to investigate the president. In other he is above the law which is the legal opinion of everyone in West Virginia. Read the report and tell me that The Trump campaign's 160 contacts with Russian agents doesn't constitute collusion. Notice I didn't say criminal conspiracy. Then read volume two that spells out the obstruction of justice; then tell me this turd doesn't need to be flushed.

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      • Originally posted by msc View Post

        Mueller said the sitting president rule had nothing to do with it. But it's easier just to ignore facts that don't fit a desired narrative.
        As you correctly say, Mueller's declining to come to a prosecutorial decision regarding obstruction (despite references of their mindfullness to the OLC ruling) was based on two key factors:
        1. Issues of statutory interpretation and conflicts with Article II of the U.S. Constitution (that you cannot criminalize the exercise of inherent presidential powers). Firing Comey, supposedly trying to fire Mueller (the evidence for which even establishing a clear intent to do so for ANY reason is thin) cannot be proscribed by law since they are inherent powers of the Presidency. Statutes cannot limit or proscribe the powers of any branch of government (an extreme example for clarity, if somehow a law was passed by both Houses of Congress and signed by the President barring Congress from impeaching a president, or making it criminal to vote in favor of impeachment/conviction, that would be unconstitutional as it would limit an explicit power the Legislative Branch. Likewise, a law making it a crime for Congress or the President to pass or sign into law a budget that isn't balanced would be unconstitutional).
        2. Establishing "corrupt" intent (or ANY intent for that matter). Putting aside the question of whether or not the exercise of inherent constitutional powers can be criminalized by statute, most of the remaining instances of potential obstruction simply come nowhere close to establishing intent (let alone "corrupt" intent). Take, for example, the alleged attempts to fire Mueller. The fact of the matter is, if the President INTENDED for Mueller to be fired, ultimately, Mueller would have been fired. Though it is traditional for such things to be done through intermediaries (though the White House Counsel is not in the chain of command/management that could actually fire the special counsel) ultimately the President himself could have picked up the phone, called Mueller and fired him. The fact that Mueller was NOT actually fired pretty much means case closed on it even being an obstructive act (or even an "attempted" one). Further, the only reason that the special counsel had any evidence of this alleged, attempted obstructive act is from testimony/interviews with people that the President could have absolutely blocked from providing said evidence by legal assertion of Executive and/or Attorney Client Privilege. Even if he genuinely "attempted" to have Mueller fired, it is laughable to assert you can establish CORRUPT intent, when the only evidence for the action itself was obtained because the president (in an completely unprecedented manner) declined to assert any of the legal privileges that he could have to have prevented the investigators from getting evidence that the alleged, attempted obstructive acts (none of which actually obstructed or impeded the investigation) had actually occurred.
        Add to this the fact that there was ultimately no underlying criminal conduct to which there could have been obstruction, intent becomes a joke. While it is true that you do not need an actual underlying crime to charge with obstruction, it has long been viewed as undercutting the case for establishing intent.

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        • Originally posted by redrover View Post

          Another person who hasn't read the report chips in It's like when you tell your Dad. No need to read my report card It says I'm doing great.Yesterday the White House counsel claimed that Congress doesn't have the right to subpoena documents to investigate the president. In other he is above the law which is the legal opinion of everyone in West Virginia. Read the report and tell me that The Trump campaign's 160 contacts with Russian agents doesn't constitute collusion. Notice I didn't say criminal conspiracy. Then read volume two that spells out the obstruction of justice; then tell me this turd doesn't need to be flushed.
          Let's see what Mueller had to say, shall we?


          Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.
          In particular, the investigation examined whether these contacts involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination.
          The investigation did not establish that these efforts reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities.
          The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the IRA.
          Notice Mueller says there was NO coordination or conspiracy, criminal or otherwise.

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          • Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post

            Let's see what Mueller had to say, shall we?









            Notice Mueller says there was NO coordination or conspiracy, criminal or otherwise.
            Bullshit! Read the damn report!. If what you say is true why the continued obstruction? You do know that investigations are ongoing. See Barr's reason for redacting portions of the report.

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            • Originally posted by redrover View Post

              Bullshit! Read the damn report!. If what you say is true why the continued obstruction? You do know that investigations are ongoing. See Barr's reason for redacting portions of the report.
              Bullshit indeed, those are Mueller's damn conclusions! Read the damn report! The entire investigation was nothing more than an effort to undermine the Trump campaign and the Trump administration, and Trump knew it. Why would Trump want his administration to be undermined? Investigations are ongoing to determine who was behind this illicit and illegal use of federal agencies to spy on a political campaign and release classified details to the press. Barr's reason for redacting portions of the report is that he doesn't want to be arrested for illegally divulging grand jury testimony. Face it, you're being lied to.

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              • Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post

                Bullshit indeed, those are Mueller's damn conclusions! Read the damn report! The entire investigation was nothing more than an effort to undermine the Trump campaign and the Trump administration, and Trump knew it. Why would Trump want his administration to be undermined? Investigations are ongoing to determine who was behind this illicit and illegal use of federal agencies to spy on a political campaign and release classified details to the press. Barr's reason for redacting portions of the report is that he doesn't want to be arrested for illegally divulging grand jury testimony. Face it, you're being lied to.
                I know I'm being lied to. Every time Dumb-ass opens his mouth. What's the count now over ten thousand lies since taking office?https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...-of-1000-lies/

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                • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                  I know I'm being lied to. Every time Dumb-ass opens his mouth. What's the count now over ten thousand lies since taking office?https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...-of-1000-lies/
                  I'm very sorry to ruin your day, but ....

                  There will be no more "Russia probing."

                  So sorry democrats, the mule "report" is over & out.

                  Time to get to work and do the jobs you should be doing.

                  It's been done.

                  There is no right or reason to do it again.

                  That is the end of it.

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                  White House Counsel: Congress Has No Right to Russia Probe 'Do-Over'



                  Congress has no right to conduct a "do-over" of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe, the White House said in a letter blasting House Democrats' "sweeping" requests for documents as an effort to harass political opponents.

                  The May 15 letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House Judiciary Committee chair Jerrold Nadler takes the view that the committee's probe serves no legitimate legislative purpose.

                  The letter was drafted in response to Nadler's March 4 request for documents from the White House for a congressional investigation of allegations of obstruction of justice, public corruption and other abuses of power.

                  Cipollone asked the committee to narrow its "sweeping" request and provide a legislative purpose, and said many documents would be entitled to be withheld under executive privilege.

                  "The White House will not participate in the committee's 'investigation' that brushes aside the conclusions of the Department of Justice after a two-year-long effort in favor of political theater pre-ordained to reach a preconceived and false result," Cipollone's 12-page letter said.

                  A spokesman for Nadler did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

                  The documents requested by the Committee relate to everything from the contents of Trump's meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin to his communications with former White House counsel Donald McGahn, the firing of former White House national security advisor Michael Flynn and former FBI director James Comey, and possible pardons for Trump associates who pleaded guilty to crimes stemming from the probe.

                  In addition, the committee is seeking documents aimed at probing whether Trump has used the White House to enrich himself in violation of the Constitution's emoluments clause.

                  In his 448-page redacted report released last month, Mueller described numerous links between Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and various Russians, but concluded there was insufficient evidence to establish that the campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy with Moscow.

                  It also described attempts by Trump to impede Mueller’s probe, but stopped short of declaring Trump committed a crime.



                  https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/wh.../15/id/916114/

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                  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                    I'm very sorry to ruin your day, but ....

                    There will be no more "Russia probing."

                    So sorry democrats, the mule "report" is over & out.

                    Time to get to work and do the jobs you should be doing.

                    It's been done.

                    There is no right or reason to do it again.

                    That is the end of it.

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                    White House Counsel: Congress Has No Right to Russia Probe 'Do-Over'



                    Congress has no right to conduct a "do-over" of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe, the White House said in a letter blasting House Democrats' "sweeping" requests for documents as an effort to harass political opponents.

                    The May 15 letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House Judiciary Committee chair Jerrold Nadler takes the view that the committee's probe serves no legitimate legislative purpose.

                    The letter was drafted in response to Nadler's March 4 request for documents from the White House for a congressional investigation of allegations of obstruction of justice, public corruption and other abuses of power.

                    Cipollone asked the committee to narrow its "sweeping" request and provide a legislative purpose, and said many documents would be entitled to be withheld under executive privilege.

                    "The White House will not participate in the committee's 'investigation' that brushes aside the conclusions of the Department of Justice after a two-year-long effort in favor of political theater pre-ordained to reach a preconceived and false result," Cipollone's 12-page letter said.

                    A spokesman for Nadler did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

                    The documents requested by the Committee relate to everything from the contents of Trump's meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin to his communications with former White House counsel Donald McGahn, the firing of former White House national security advisor Michael Flynn and former FBI director James Comey, and possible pardons for Trump associates who pleaded guilty to crimes stemming from the probe.

                    In addition, the committee is seeking documents aimed at probing whether Trump has used the White House to enrich himself in violation of the Constitution's emoluments clause.

                    In his 448-page redacted report released last month, Mueller described numerous links between Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and various Russians, but concluded there was insufficient evidence to establish that the campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy with Moscow.

                    It also described attempts by Trump to impede Mueller’s probe, but stopped short of declaring Trump committed a crime.



                    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/wh.../15/id/916114/
                    I just saw Eric Holder on the news unlike you boys he's read the report and he thinks it's time to impeach. Yes I know he's black so he must be prejudiced against Trump.

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                    • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                      I just saw Eric Holder on the news unlike you boys he's read the report and he thinks it's time to impeach. Yes I know he's black so he must be prejudiced against Trump.
                      His skin pigmentation has zero to do with the fact that he's dumber than a door-knob.

                      Even so, I stand with him... impeach Trump !!!

                      Get it done Eric, we believe in you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                        His skin pigmentation has zero to do with the fact that he's dumber than a door-knob.

                        Even so, I stand with him... impeach Trump !!!

                        Get it done Eric, we believe in you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        I know BA and JD from Columbia. certainly no Warton business school where Trump learned stenography and typing. You can tell Holder is low IQ just like Maxine Waters. You neo Nazis can tell a person's level of intelligence by looking at their skin tone. Right?

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                        • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                          I know I'm being lied to. Every time Dumb-ass opens his mouth. What's the count now over ten thousand lies since taking office?https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...-of-1000-lies/
                          LOL, that's not even close to the number of times the dumbasses in the media are lying to you.

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                          • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                            His skin pigmentation has zero to do with the fact that he's dumber than a door-knob.

                            Even so, I stand with him... impeach Trump !!!

                            Get it done Eric, we believe in you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            Holder isn't dumb. He's villainous, but not dumb. 0bama's appointing a henchman "wingman" to the position of AG was the beginning of the corruption that culminated in the illegal spying of the Trump campaign and Mueller probe.

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                            • Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post

                              Holder isn't dumb. He's villainous, but not dumb. 0bama's appointing a henchman "wingman" to the position of AG was the beginning of the corruption that culminated in the illegal spying of the Trump campaign and Mueller probe.
                              Yes Holder is low IQ just like Maxine Waters and every other person with black skin right? Though Holder got his BA and JD. from Columbia which admittedly is no Warton business school where Trump majored in typing or texting if you will. Holder isn't out there on a limb all by himself because recently 700 former federal prosecutors said he should be impeached. I have no idea what the House is waiting for. He continues to obstruct justice every day. Imagine that those stupid Democrats think they have the right to issue subpoenas. .

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                              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                                Yes Holder is low IQ just like Maxine Waters and every other person with black skin right? Though Holder got his BA and JD. from Columbia which admittedly is no Warton business school where Trump majored in typing or texting if you will. Holder isn't out there on a limb all by himself because recently 700 former federal prosecutors said he should be impeached. I have no idea what the House is waiting for. He continues to obstruct justice every day. Imagine that those stupid Democrats think they have the right to issue subpoenas. .
                                That's just the kind of reply I'd expect from a white nationalist KKK member like you.

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