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  • #16
    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

    This story was quoting a Democrat Election Official. But I'm sure the facts don't mean much to a partisan.
    That was "sad tire" OMD. I am sorry I should make that clear for those of you who are "sad tIre" impared.

    Fact is there are no crediable reports of voter fraud on a scale that would influence an election, unless you count voter intimidation such as Trump is proposing as election fraud.

    Wide scale voter fraud is a right wing nut case myth.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by RDK View Post

      That was "sad tire" OMD. I am sorry I should make that clear for those of you who are "sad tIre" impared.

      Fact is there are no crediable reports of voter fraud on a scale that would influence an election, unless you count voter intimidation such as Trump is proposing as election fraud.

      Wide scale voter fraud is a right wing nut case myth.
      Voter Fraud Is Real. Heres The Proof

      Data suggests millions of voter registrations are fraudulent or invalid. Thats enough to tip an election, easily.

      This week, liberals have been repeating their frequent claim that voter fraud doesnt exist. A recent Salon article argues that voter fraud just isnt a problem in Pennsylvania, despite evidence to the contrary. Another article argues that voter fraud is entirely in the imagination of those who use voter ID laws to deny minorities the right to vote.

      Yet as the election approaches, more and more cases of voter fraud are beginning to surface. In Colorado, multiple instances were found of dead people attempting to vote. Stunningly, a woman named Sara Sosa who died in 2009 cast ballots in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. In Virginia, it was found that nearly 20 voter applications were turned in under the names of dead people.
      http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/...l-heres-proof/

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      • #18
        Right wing media again being touted as the truth of right wing propaganda. Really OMD this is getting boring.

        20 applications? How many were caught and denied? How many resulted in actual votes being cast?

        How many people will be turned away from casting legitimate votes because of voter ID laws?

        The reality is that sometimes you must accept a low level of something undesirable (rare voter fraud) to allow a higher level of something desirable to occur (every citizen being allowed to vote.)


        Of course since the denied voters will be more Dem than GOP you might not think that every person equal under the law is a good idea.

        Here is a simple solution to prevent a person voting more than once, have every voter dip their finger in ink. Just pick an ink that cannot be washed off for 12 hours or so.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RDK View Post

          Right wing media again being touted as the truth of right wing propaganda. Really OMD this is getting boring.

          20 applications? How many were caught and denied? How many resulted in actual votes being cast?

          How many people will be turned away from casting legitimate votes because of voter ID laws?

          The reality is that sometimes you must accept a low level of something undesirable (rare voter fraud) to allow a higher level of something desirable to occur (every citizen being allowed to vote.)


          Of course since the denied voters will be more Dem than GOP you might not think that every person equal under the law is a good idea.

          Here is a simple solution to prevent a person voting more than once, have every voter dip their finger in ink. Just pick an ink that cannot be washed off for 12 hours or so.
          Are you saying Democrats are too stupid to get a voter ID? I have always said that liberals are the racists because they actually believe that minorities are dumber and need Democrats to take care of them.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

            Are you saying Democrats are too stupid to get a voter ID? I have always said that liberals are the racists because they actually believe that minorities are dumber and need Democrats to take care of them.
            No we don't think blacks are dumb we also don't think they are voter cheats either

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
              I bring this up because I just learned that it took two years to recount the Florida votes, from back when Gore lost to Bush. It was given to Bush by the USSC, but two years later the recount revealed gore won florida, which would have put him into the oval office.

              And of course, there are many reports of some weird results going on with these machines that have been outlawed in europe but we still use them. Like, exit polling for arizona showing sanders winning, by 60/40 yet clinton wins by 60/40, and the same thing happening in Ma. where the final count did not match exit polling. An inversion happened again.
              Have we became such a fascist oligarchy that an oligarch will be elected on the democratic side, as we know the GOP side will of course give us one? Is there a reason for paranoia?

              Next question. Why in the world in the 21st century, can we not get an electoral process that is not so easily frauded? You can pick the right winner in a lotto, but you cannot trust our elections? Makes zero sense.
              Actually, that is simply not true. First, if you counted the ballots in any race that close 100 times, you would likely get 80 different tallies, and each successive one becoming less accurate for certain types of ballots (particular punch card) because the physical handling of the ballots degrades the reliability.. The 2000 race in Florida was truly within the margin of machine and human error to count. That recognized. The "count" you refer to, actually confirmed (to the margin of error), that the count that the Gore team and the Florida Supreme Court ordered would actually have resulted in Bush winning.

              And for the record (for those that have either never actually read, or did but not literate enough in judicial opinions to understand), the SCOTUS did NOT actually decide the election. The actual ruling regarding the constitutionality of the particular recount ordered by the FLOTUS was actually deemed unconstitutional by a 7-2 vote of SCOUTS. The 5-4 vote was on the remedial portion of the ruling, which actually did not decide the outcome. What was ordered was to remand the case BACK to the FLOTUS for review and further adjudication consistent with the 7-2 part of the ruling that the particular recount they had ordered violated the U.S. Constitution. NOTHING, in that SCOTUS ruling precluded the Florida court from coming up with revised standards for the recount to proceed.

              So, why didn't they? Not because of anything that the SCOTUS had ruled, but because the FLOTUS (which had been making up the law on the fly since the case first got to them) had previously ruled that it was the intent of the state legislature (in which the U.S. Constitution places absolute plenary authority in determining the manner electors are to be chosen) to meet the federal safe harbor deadline for selecting the state's slate of electors. That just happened to be the very next day, meaning as a matter of practicality, the Florida Supreme Court could ONLY have done so by ignoring their OWN prior ruling, which would have been so ridiculously transparent as to be impeachable.

              Of course, one little noted thing, long before that had already proven that the FLOTUS was making it up as they went along. In Bush v. Gore I, a UNANIMOUS SCOTUS remanded the case back to the FLOTUS, asking the state court to clarify if its decision to extend the contest period of the election was based on the State Constitution, or on its interpretation of the statutory scheme put in place by the State Legislature. When the case was remanded to them, the FLOTUS asked the parties for briefs on the matter...this was the smoking gun of complete judicial lawlessness. The SCOTUS had asked the FLOTUS to clarify why THEY had ruled the way they did. Why would the justices need briefs from the parties to help them explain the basis of THEIR ruling? There was no reason for it unless they knew that they had no rational way to explain it (in a manner that would be good for the candidate they were clearly choosing) and were looking for a lifeline...for the party to give them a reason in the absence of being able to think of one themselves.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                Are you saying Democrats are too stupid to get a voter ID? I have always said that liberals are the racists because they actually believe that minorities are dumber and need Democrats to take care of them.
                Let's be fair, you can't expect thousands of dead people to get voter IDs! Clearly being deceased is an illness covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act, and therefor no Undue Burden can be put in place to impair their right to vote (for democrats!) *grin*

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

                  Let's be fair, you can't expect thousands of dead people to get voter IDs! Clearly being deceased is an illness covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act, and therefor no Undue Burden can be put in place to impair their right to vote (for democrats!) *grin*
                  It's hard enough to get people to vote once let alone multiple times. But we have to have some reason for Trump's crushing defeat. This is as good as any I guess.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by redrover View Post

                    It's hard enough to get people to vote once let alone multiple times. But we have to have some reason for Trump's crushing defeat. This is as good as any I guess.
                    I am not one of those who fetishizes voter turnout, I do not take it as a given that more people voting is always better. If they are fools, I don't want them to vote.

                    Also (and this is not directed as you), I am tired of the demonstrably false narrative of black voter suppression. Most people are probably unaware that black turnout rates in 2008 and 2012 EXCEDED those of non-Hispanic whites. This is absolute, undeniable proof that "disparate impact" judicial standards on voting laws (and ID requirements) are utter bullshit.

                    The laws from 2008 to 2010 did not change all that much, ergo the law is not the reason when blacks turnout at lower rates.

                    Equal protection begins and ends at the law TREATING everyone the same, it was not intended to be an excuse for different groups REACTING differently to various laws and restrictions.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by redrover View Post

                      It's hard enough to get people to vote once let alone multiple times. But we have to have some reason for Trump's crushing defeat. This is as good as any I guess.
                      How about he will lose because Hilliary will get more legitimate votes than he will?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RDK View Post

                        How about he will lose because Hilliary will get more legitimate votes than he will?
                        She will definitely get more illegitimate votes than he will.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RDK View Post

                          How about he will lose because Hilliary will get more legitimate votes than he will?
                          I listening to Trump talking about how the election is rigged. It's a simple case of entrapment. It was Hillary who put those beautiful women in my path and all I did was what any real man would do.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by redrover View Post

                            Iknow that it is extremely rare but there are some democrats who are idiots. In this age of technology it should be easy to video a guy voting then follow the bus and video him voting again at the next site. Do that and until then let you have something to work with. until then shall we let blck people vote?
                            It's. It that rare. As if the time I posted this, I can cite 2222 examples of Democrat idiocy.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by MattInFla View Post

                              It's. It that rare. As if the time I posted this, I can cite 2222 examples of Democrat idiocy.
                              I don't have to go any farther than the above post to find an excellent example of republican idiocy.

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                              • #30
                                There is a current news story about fraud in registration in Indiana. They raided these remote sites where they were registering voters, and found fraud. I will look later to see if I can find the story. Fraud apparently is an ongoing problem, where I used to think it was just right wing conspiracy. Just google it and you will find where people in past elections were caught and prosecuted. And these are just the ones that get caught. So clearly, it goes on. To what degree I do not know. And it always seems to be mostly the democratic side indulging in it. After seeing the dirty deeds of the DNC towards sanders, with the hard evidence there from wilkileaks, it has changed my mind about the democratic party. There is little that is democratic about that party, behind the scenes. It reminds me of a 3rd world banana republic the way these bastards behave.

                                With this said, I think voting should be very easy, with no unnecessary hoops to jump through. But it also needs to be honest and not easy to commit fraud. When the Carter Center was asked why they did not monitor US elections, they said that we are not set up for that. It would be impossible to monitor to insure fair elections with no criminality going on. Why is this? Because as corrupt as the politicians and system is, why would anyone trust the elections that chooses one over the other? If the system is corrupt, which it is, corrupted by the effect of elite money upon the political system, what makes anyone think that this corruption does not extend to a very important facet of that system?

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