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09/26/16 Presidential Debate

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  • #91
    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

    Do you know someone who hasn't?

    "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'

    But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart
    Are you seriously using that as a defence for what he said?
    Really?
    If so then you can pretty much excuse anything you'r candidate or hiss supporters says if that's the level you'll stoop to to defend them and I hope they carry on as comments like that will bury you at the coming election. Prepare for at least 4 more years in the political wilderness with Trump claiming the whole thing was rigged and he didn't sabotage his own campaign by his sheer incompetence.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

      Are you seriously using that as a defence for what he said?
      Really?
      If so then you can pretty much excuse anything you'r candidate or hiss supporters says if that's the level you'll stoop to to defend them and I hope they carry on as comments like that will bury you at the coming election. Prepare for at least 4 more years in the political wilderness with Trump claiming the whole thing was rigged and he didn't sabotage his own campaign by his sheer incompetence.
      come back Peter I've missed your wisdom. I think a distinction should be drawn between adultery in your heart and adultery in your pants.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by redrover View Post

        OK play a clip of a surrogate saying that. Should be easy enough to find if so many were saying it.
        I am not going to waste my time educating you on basic history that anyone who was conscious at the time knows is true. I don't cater to the ignorance or the willfull obtuseness.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by msc View Post

          In the VP debate, I was pleased with most of questions as they were for the most part, about important issues, But the moderator didn't attempt to control Kain when he was constantly off topic with the only intention of trying to pull Pence off topic, (so Pence would offer nothing but continuous defense of nonsense). Kaine was so prominently exposed because Pence didn't bite, leaving Kaine too much time to talk with nothing to say, so repetition was his only option. you listened to Kaine, you'd think that Trump,not showing his tax returns, was the reason why we have crime, a bad economy, racism, horrid foreign policy, major conflict with other nations, and if Trump just released his tax returns every voter would know how Trump would lead the country.

          If the moderator just lets the nonsensical questions be discussed with the other responsible to address the nonsense, the debate would just be a bust for voters. If one harps on the useless question and the other addresses it in short, then it only leaves a gap of time for the attacker to spew unchallenged insults. So the other would have to either use up all his time defending the nonsense, or stop talking leaving people to believe he didn't defend because couldn't, while the lies or insinuation are put out there as fact.
          Why do you assume that, if left to their own devices, candidates would select for their pool of questions, things that most voters deemed to be unimportant? And if they did, when the questions are randomly selected from a pool approved by each of the campaigns, the voters will be able to hold those campaigns directly responsible (the candidates can't blame the moderator)..

          I guess I just have a bit more faith in the American people, when engaged directly, and not through the filter of the media.


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          • #95
            Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

            I am not going to waste my time educating you on basic history that anyone who was conscious at the time knows is true. I don't cater to the ignorance or the willfull obtuseness.
            In other words you can't find a single example of anyone saying such a stupid thing. I thought as much.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by redrover View Post

              In other words you can't find a single example of anyone saying such a stupid thing. I thought as much.
              Here's an entire article excusing lack of character;

              http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...tworthy-issues

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              • #97
                Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post

                Here's an entire article excusing lack of character;

                http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...tworthy-issues
                Istill don't see any quotes from Hillary or a surragate saying character doesn't matter Feel free to drift away from your original assertion we all do it.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by redrover View Post

                  In other words you can't find a single example of anyone saying such a stupid thing. I thought as much.
                  Don't EVER accuse me of dishonesty again. I meant EXACTLY what I said. Anyone who is either not aware, or is being willfully obtuse to the fact that the Clinton campaign and its surrogates in 1992 was pushing the character doesn't matter meme is not worth MY time to inform. There is a whole lot of ignorance and stupidity out there that is not worth my time to address.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by redrover View Post

                    Istill don't see any quotes from Hillary or a surragate saying character doesn't matter Feel free to drift away from your original assertion we all do it.
                    It was written by another Hillary shill. Don't you people have a secret handshake or something?

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                    • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

                      Don't EVER accuse me of dishonesty again. I meant EXACTLY what I said. Anyone who is either not aware, or is being willfully obtuse to the fact that the Clinton campaign and its surrogates in 1992 was pushing the character doesn't matter meme is not worth MY time to inform. There is a whole lot of ignorance and stupidity out there that is not worth my time to address.
                      I didn't mean to question your honesty. It just seems impossible for me to believe that any politician would ever say character doesn't matter if that makes me ignorant so be it Maybe you should start worrying about the new tapes that demonstrate Trump's character. You ought to listen to those if you want to hear someone who thinks character doesn't matter.

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                      • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                        I didn't mean to question your honesty. It just seems impossible for me to believe that any politician would ever say character doesn't matter if that makes me ignorant so be it Maybe you should start worrying about the new tapes that demonstrate Trump's character. You ought to listen to those if you want to hear someone who thinks character doesn't matter.
                        Actually it was Bill Clinton who said character doesn't matter. But he and Hillary are peas in a pod.

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                        • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

                          Why do you assume that, if left to their own devices, candidates would select for their pool of questions, things that most voters deemed to be unimportant? And if they did, when the questions are randomly selected from a pool approved by each of the campaigns, the voters will be able to hold those campaigns directly responsible (the candidates can't blame the moderator)..

                          I guess I just have a bit more faith in the American people, when engaged directly, and not through the filter of the media.

                          Maybe it's because I have little faith in the American people. If the voters can't figure out what's nonsense or not by now, I doubt if the questions were coming from the campaign they'd figure it out.

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                          • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                            Can you produce a clip of her saying Chracter doesn't matter I'd like to hear that? In this morning I see that Rudy says everyone commits adultery. Nice job Rudy keep talking buddy.
                            Rudy didn't say everyone commits adultery. Again, you're buying into the spin. Here's what was said:

                            The remark came during an exchange on NBCs Meet the Press, after Chuck Todd, the shows host, asked Mr. Giuliani whether he was the right person to bring up former President Bill Clintons infidelities in this heated campaign.

                            You have your own infidelities, sir, Mr. Todd said.

                            Everybody does, Mr. Giuliani responded. You know, Im a Roman Catholic and I confess those things to my priest.

                            In an interview after the show, Mr. Giuliani said he was speaking not just of marital infidelity, but about all forms of infidelity, which there are many.

                            By infidelities, I dont just mean marital. People lie. People cheat. People misrepresent. People commit sins, he said. The point that I was trying to make was, as far as I can tell, among human beings, there are very few that dont have some.


                            http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us...race.html?_r=0

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                            • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                              Uh, I am a sanders rube, and most of them know damn well she will pass TPP, or sign it, once the GOP and dems send it to her. Obviously you have not talked to sanders rubes? LOL

                              The reason trump is polling as he is, is because his supporters as well as sanders supporters agree on one thing, if nothing else. Open borders free trade has to be stopped and reversed. When TPA was in congress, they were overwhelmed with both dems, independents and republican voters, saying hell no. And yet, of course, they do not listen. For TPP benefits their big donors, who own them, and that is what drove much of this election cycle. MSM will not report this, but it has been reported elsewhere, by the people who know what the issue is. And that issue is not going away, but will get worse if Clinton wins and of course signs TPP. The gold standard, up until she saw sanders running on it. And he was getting to close and the dems had to start rigging, and commiting anti democratic dirty deeds to beat him. The dem primary was chock full of such stuff. For the wishes and demands of our elites are all that has importance. In both parties, which is why trump beat the hell out of those other treasonous bastards.

                              I have even heard the liars, or the misinformed, declare that sanders was an open borders candidate. But if they would only have listened to what he said when interviewed by WHORE HAY, the Hispanic with Hispanic news, sanders said open borders was what the KOCH boys wanted, to depress wages in sectors that cannot be sent to slave labor. But of course he had a different position on the ones already here, than trump. For he knew if you made them legal, suddenly the wage depression would be corrected, for they would not have to hide, and could not be taken advantage of as easier by criminal businessmen.
                              I know the problem with this design of free trade is why you're a Sanders supporter, and perhaps many were for that very reason, but I think you're putting Sanders supporters wrongfully in the same barrel. Many of his supporters were millennials who wanted college loans forgiven and the idea of free college sounds appealing. Not because they are bad people, but because they are feeling the pressure having to pay back the astronomical amounts of debt they've accumulated with college loans. Then there is a division or people that supported the entitlements he offered.

                              You seem to assume that all Sanders supporters are in it for the same reason as you. Guaranteed more than half don't even understand why these bad trade deals are so harmful.

                              Even I agree with Sanders on the bad trade deals. Don't remember him explaining exactly what he would do to stop and or correct them, but then again his other ideas were so insane that I never looked into his proposal, if he had one. No way was I going to get on board with that issue alone, so I didn't bother.
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                              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                                I didn't mean to question your honesty. It just seems impossible for me to believe that any politician would ever say character doesn't matter if that makes me ignorant so be it Maybe you should start worrying about the new tapes that demonstrate Trump's character. You ought to listen to those if you want to hear someone who thinks character doesn't matter.
                                Character matters to me, and I'm not pleased with Trumps character one iota. But the problem is that character doesn't seem to matter to the American people. If it did, Trump nor Hillary would have been nominated for the presidency.

                                Charles Kesler, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna College and editor of the Claremont Review of Books, speculatesabout the cause of conservatives tolerance for Trump.

                                [H]is vices have been exhaustively condemned but never examined in comparative perspective. Do obscenities fall from his lips more readily than they did from Lyndon Johnsons or Richard Nixons? Are the circumstances of his three marriages more shameful than the circumstances of John F. Kennedys pathologically unfaithful oneor for that matter, Bill Clintons humiliatingly unfaithful one? Have any of his egotistical excesses rivaled Andrew Jacksons killing a man in a duel over a horse racing bet and an insult to Jacksons wife? The point is not to extenuate Trumps faults but to understand how millions of voters see him.


                                https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-own-character

                                When people of exemplary character are so hard to find, you have to make decisions based on which character flaw will affect the good of the country. Hands down Hillary's character flaws are directly harmful to the state of the nation.

                                Trumps character flaws has not put our nation at risk. Has not caused the death of Americans, has not negatively affected our economy, has not put national secrets at risk, and has not tried to convince a jury that a 12 year old girl was asking to get raped and beaten because she had an interest in older men.

                                The difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary, a politician has been trained to hide her flaws and only indulge behind the scenes. And now as we learn, what she has and does indulge in, is far worse than what has been exposed about Trump. She has always had an aspiration to be powerful in government. Trump on the other hand did not have the presidency in his bucket list and made no attempt to hide his flaws. So are exposed Character flaws worse than hidden ones? The obvious and wise answer is NO.
                                Last edited by msc; 10-08-2016, 07:01 AM.

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