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  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

    So now the creepsters on the left are trying to smear the president with some made up fantasy about him saying cruel things to the parent of a soldier who was killed.

    If the left only realized how dumb & desperate they look with such goofy garbage.
    Look, Trump is not particularly well spoken or eloquent, when the story broke, I had little doubt that this would turn out to be exactly what it was, Trump saying something meant to be comforting in a very poorly phrased way, taken negatively by someone who was predisposed to be offended by Trump to begin with. This is exactly what happened.

    Now, Trump is accused of being the first to "politicize" this whole thing. Let's look at the original statement he made and how the media categorized it:

    Donald Trump's misleading comments on Obama's calls to fallen soldiers' families

    ..."The traditional way, you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didnt make calls, a lot of them didnt make calls," Trump said.

    We found no evidence to support the idea that other presidents did less than Trump. When a reporter followed up at the press conference where Trump spoke, Trump admitted he was unsure about Obamas practices.

    "I was told he didnt, often, and a lot of presidents dont," Trump said. "President Obama, I think, probably did sometimes and maybe sometimes he didnt. I dont know. Thats what I was told. All I can do is ask my generals. Other presidents did not call. Theyd write letters. And some presidents didnt do anything."

    As former White House officials attested, its inaccurate to say Obama and previous presidents never called the families of soldiers who died in combat. But how often these calls were placed is hard to pinpoint, because presidential dealings with soldiers families are traditionally kept private out of respect. Because of the private nature of these contacts, we wont rate Trumps statement on our Truth-O-Meter...
    .

    First, there is the matter of whether any Democrat would even have been asked such a question by the liberal media (what a laugh). In his full comments, Trump clearly is not saying that no other president ever made any calls to families, yet the media presents his comments as saying just that, and then calling it false.

    And let's drop the pretense that the media or the left view "gold star families" as sacrosanct, because many in the media are attacking Gen. Kelly (himself a gold star father) over his public spat with some tacky congresswoman, every public photo or video of who ever taken demonstrates she is nothing but an attention seeking, cheap Maxine Waters wannabe (yes, I understand that describing someone as a cheap Maxine Waters is a bit redundant),
    President Donald Trump accused Barack Obama and other former presidents of insufficient outreach to fallen soldiers families. Following Trumps silence on the death of four Green Berets in an Oct. 4 ambush in Niger, Trump said he would be calling their families and had already written letters that are "going out either today or tomorrow." He then claimed his approach went above and beyond the norm. "The traditional way, you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didnt make calls, a lot of them didnt make calls," Trump said. We found no evidence to support the idea ...

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    • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
      Look, Trump is not particularly well spoken or eloquent, when the story broke, I had little doubt that this would turn out to be exactly what it was, Trump saying something meant to be comforting in a very poorly phrased way, taken negatively by someone who was predisposed to be offended by Trump to begin with. This is exactly what happened.

      Now, Trump is accused of being the first to "politicize" this whole thing. Let's look at the original statement he made and how the media categorized it:

      First, there is the matter of whether any Democrat would even have been asked such a question by the liberal media (what a laugh). In his full comments, Trump clearly is not saying that no other president ever made any calls to families, yet the media presents his comments as saying just that, and then calling it false.

      And let's drop the pretense that the media or the left view "gold star families" as sacrosanct, because many in the media are attacking Gen. Kelly (himself a gold star father) over his public spat with some tacky congresswoman, every public photo or video of who ever taken demonstrates she is nothing but an attention seeking, cheap Maxine Waters wannabe (yes, I understand that describing someone as a cheap Maxine Waters is a bit redundant),
      It's very tiresome this double standard B.S. that we have to watch for the next 4 to 8 years. If Mr obama had said the same things, we'd never have heard any complaints from anyone.

      If Mr. Trump tries any of the same stunts Mr. obama did, we'll hear screams of holy terror from our "media" and elites in our corrupt "government." . . there'll be 'investigations' there'll be 'lawsuits,' we'll watch crap on the "news" about it for months... and all the other outrageous crap that goes on ONLY BECAUSE IT'S A MAN WITH A R INSTEAD OF A D BY HIS NAME.

      .... which proves that our systems are completely infected and corrupted with a new kind of criminal.
      The "legalized" kind.... no, it's not legitimate, but it IS "legal," .. this happens when crime bosses make, create & exempt, or put themselves above, the law ! And they CAN because they "MAKE" law. . They are lawless

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      • Nothing new about this democrat method.

        If you want to know the recent crimes of democrats, SEE WHAT THEY ACCUSE OTHERS OF !

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        The Democratic Party has put forth several narratives since their loss in 2016. They have stuck with those narratives no matter how absurd they have been: Trump was elected because Russia colluded with him. Trump is unstable and unfit. Everything Trump does is wrong, he is a tainted President.

        So says the party of Hillary Clinton and Hollywood, the
        [ wannabe ] moral arbiters of America. And the leftist mainstream media has followed in the most scurrilous of ways. They have reported only what the Democratic Party narrative says they should report.

        Until now.

        How long has this search for Trump/Russia collusion been going on? How long has the leftist media been claiming Trump does everything wrong?

        Since he was elected last November. They have been hunting him since he won.

        ...the ground has shifted. Its been clear for a long time that the Trump/Russia collusion narrative has been just that. Its been a fable repeated over and over again, the Democratic Party and its media shills hoping that something would stick, helping them regain power through mindless repetition of an empty narrative.

        Until now.

        Unfortunately for the left, there is not the tiniest bit of evidence to bolster their narrative. There is not a scintilla of truth that shows Donald Tramp colluded with Russia to win. $100,000 of Facebook ads, half of them after November 8, 2016? Thats proof? Lord help us. That is the dumbest idea of proof offered since Piltdown Man. Donald Trump Jr had a meeting with a with someone claiming to have dirt on Hillary and left the meeting early because he saw nothing? Wow. Indict him, and impeach his father.

        And thats all there is?

        ..now we have an explosion of information about Russian influence on.. *drum roll*.the Uranium One deal. Perhaps the worst political scandal since Teapot Dome. And then theres the so-called Trump dossier. Which apparently was paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party.

        The Uranium One deal has been a powder keg since Peter Schweizer wrote about the scandal in the book Clinton Cash. Its everything a scandal should be. Corruption, illicit bribes, Russians influencing a deal to control stockpiles of Uranium for their own use.

        Tucker Carlson reports there is an extremely credible witness that will testify how the Russians did collude with an American President. Unfortunately for the left, its the Obama Presidency they colluded with, Hillary Clinton being the chief conspirator. This witness is said to have absolute proof of this collusion.

        And the leftist mainstream American media is virtually silent.

        But thats because they arent interested in news, or reporting. Theyre only interested in the narratives pushed by the Obama/Clinton/Democratic media complex.

        Until now.

        The dam has broken.

        Truth is winning. Even the Washington Post is reporting this story. The New York Times and the rest will have to follow. The evidence is too compelling, and the story is out there. Much like the Weinstein scandal, there is simply too much evidence to deflect it. The reporting of John Solomon and Sara Carter has been devastating. They have been doing the work that the leftist American media wont do. Which is to report on the real Russian meddling in Americas politics: Uranium One. And the Trump dossier.

        This is huge. This will not go away. Unlike the leftist media narrative of Trump/Russia collusion, there is actual evidence to show we have been compromised, and its not Trump who has compromised or colluded. Its the group of people the leftist media has vowed to protect. The Obama/Clinton/Democratic party complex.

        The evidence is overwhelming.

        The Obama/Clinton administration colluded with Russia in the Uranium One deal. They knew what the Russians wanted. They knew the Russians were bribing people. They knew the Clinton family foundations were getting over a hundred million dollars, that Bill Clinton received half a million dollars for an hour speech from the Russian bank involved with Uranium One.

        Quid pro quo. As clear as it can be.

        They sold out American interests for thirty pieces of silver.

        Trump clearly did nothing wrong, but now its going to be revealed just how incompetent and conniving Mr. Comey, Rod Rosenstein, and Robert Mueller were and are.

        The wrong people have been blamed. And the truth is coming out.

        The dam has broken.

        The lefts narratives have been reduced to a pile of ashes.

        Blaming Trump for colluding with the Russians for almost a year has been a failure. Its simple, the narrative was never true. It was bound to be shown as false. But the unintended consequence of playing this narrative for the last year has been that a lot of people have come to believe Russia interfered with our political system.

        The cognitive dissonance has just begun for all of them. The proof is clear, they were all wrong. Extraordinarily wrong. The collusion and sell out was from the very people they put forth as heroes. The Obama/Clinton Democratic Party has been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Thirty pieces of silver wasnt enough. It was millions of dollars and the opportunity to hold power in America that proved to be their downfall. Colluding with the Russians was what they were willing to do in this power play.

        The unwinding of this scandal will take time. But the implication is clear. The Trump administration will be fully exonerated. They did nothing wrong. Oh yes, the left wont admit it, they will be furious (arent they always?), but this narrative is over except in the minds of total leftist partisans. Just like the man who threw the Russian flags at Trump. He was aiming for the wrong people.

        He just didnt know it yet. Likewise, the leftist base doesnt either.

        ..the Clinton/Obama/Democratic Party alliance. They are in trouble. Having projected a narrative that was not only untrue about Trump, but was actually true about their own party will be devastating to their base, and the American public will likely not forget.

        The leftist media. The Democratic Party. The Obama/Clinton families. Their corruption reaches to the heavens. They have knowingly deceived America in the worst of ways. Lets hope their stature never recovers.


        http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._november.html

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        • Democrats won't suffer, they believe like Muslims that lying, cheating, stealing, etc. are justified to achieve your goals.
          Former Clinton Campaign Spokesman Defends Trump Dossier

          Former Hillary Clinton campaign spokesman Brian Fallon defended the anti-Trump dossier that has made up the substance of the Russian collusion allegations Tuesday night.

          Fallon spoke in favor of the Washington Post report that Clintons campaign and the Democratic National Committee paid opposition research firm Fusion GPS to investigate then-candidate Donald Trump as part of a project that led to the dossier compiled by a former British spy.
          http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/24/fo...trump-dossier/
          Last edited by OldmanDan; 10-25-2017, 01:07 PM.

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          • They denied it was from them why ?

            Because it was all fiction, fantasy & nonsense.

            Evidence exists of Democrat crimes by hiring someone to deliberately fabricate false evidence against Trump.

            The "media" will try to hide it, ignore it, pretend it didn't happen.

            Doesn't matter. The "party" is over.

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            Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped pay for political research into Donald Trump that ultimately produced a dossier of allegations about his ties to Russia, The Associated Press has learned.

            ..."Hillary Clinton always denied it. The Democrats always denied it and now, only because it is going to come out in a court case, they said, yes, they did it, they admitted it, and they are embarrassed by it. I think it is a disgrace, it just really, it is a very sad commentary on politics in this country," Trump said.

            ...


            http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/US-T.../25/id/822059/

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            Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee resorted to Cold War tactics in funding a dossier about then-presidential candidate Donald Trump, former presidential adviser Sebastian Gorka said Wednesday.

            "Here we have the proof of not only there not being anything, but that if there was any collusion it was between Hillary Clinton and the Russians and the people that generated not opposition research," Gorka said. "It's propaganda. It's what we called in the Cold War active measures. It is false information used to undermine your opponent because this is the dodgy dossier, the so-called GPS Fusion dossier, and we have to doff our caps to Sara Carter at Circa [News] for all the work she's done.

            "This is literal propaganda used to undermine the Democratic process in America, and that's why some people hopefully will have to go to court and eventually prison for what they've done."

            Gorka also commented on another growing scandal, this one involving the sale of American uranium to Russia under the watch of former President Barack Obama and Clinton, who served as his secretary of state.

            "The fact is this isn't just about Hillary Clinton agreeing to sell 20 percent of our uranium, which you make nuclear bombs from, agreeing to sell that to Russia," Gorka said. "Eric Holder was on the committee as well. There are members of the Obama administration at the Cabinet level, multiple members, who as an active investigation into racketeering and corruption by Russia in America for nuclear materials was occurring, decided to approve the sale of uranium to [Russian President] Vladimir Putin.

            "I think you're right, that is the scandal that will make Watergate look like a small spat in a kindergarten sand pit."


            http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/se.../25/id/822121/

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            • Only Republicans have scandals. Scandals are reported in the MSM daily over a long period of time. Democrats have setbacks that are reported once on page 105 and then ignored. Fortunately, the MSM has lost its hold on many with the advent of alternate news sources. What they could once easily hide has now become a job for them to spin in a direction favorable to Democrats. Yes, Bill and Hillary, and probably Obama profited greatly from the sale of 20% of our uranium resources to Russia but in the eyes of the MSM it will be presented as an entrepreneurial opportunity which the Clintons availed themselves.

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              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                Only Republicans have scandals. Scandals are reported in the MSM daily over a long period of time. Democrats have setbacks that are reported once on page 105 and then ignored. Fortunately, the MSM has lost its hold on many with the advent of alternate news sources. What they could once easily hide has now become a job for them to spin in a direction favorable to Democrats. Yes, Bill and Hillary, and probably Obama profited greatly from the sale of 20% of our uranium resources to Russia but in the eyes of the MSM it will be presented as an entrepreneurial opportunity which the Clintons availed themselves.
                Yes, well the "media" even the "mainstream" - really the fringe - media, is going to resent being played for fools eventually and expose hilary for the liar she has always been.

                Hilary clinton is a liar - *yawns*

                "What happened" - that's what happened

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                The mainstream media may be populated by progressives, but there are residual pockets of professional integrity left. There are signs that blinders may be slipping from the eyes of some at the pinnacle of MSM prestige, now that they know that they have been manipulated and deceived.

                .................

                Right now, the MSM is ignoring the story as much as possible, but the cofferdam has too many leaks. The presence of aggrieved, name-brand reporters at the NYT and WaPo is important, because their work cannot be dismissed as Fox News or Breitbart. The two papers operate as pilot fish for the rest of the media.

                But even more importantly, there will be subpoenas, hearings, and eventually testimony.

                Real events will happen.

                And we have a President of the United States who will keep talking and tweeting about it.

                Senator Grassley is calling for a special counsel on Uranium One.

                Best of all,
                the storyline is clear. The Clintons took in $140 million and national security was jeopardized. And shes been lying to us to our faces.

                http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...r_hillary.html

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                • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                  Yes, well the "media" even the "mainstream" - really the fringe - media, is going to resent being played for fools eventually and expose hilary for the liar she has always been.

                  Hilary clinton is a liar - *yawns*

                  "What happened" - that's what happened

                  --------------------------------------

                  The mainstream media may be populated by progressives, but there are residual pockets of professional integrity left. There are signs that blinders may be slipping from the eyes of some at the pinnacle of MSM prestige, now that they know that they have been manipulated and deceived.

                  .................

                  Right now, the MSM is ignoring the story as much as possible, but the cofferdam has too many leaks. The presence of aggrieved, name-brand reporters at the NYT and WaPo is important, because their work cannot be dismissed as Fox News or Breitbart. The two papers operate as pilot fish for the rest of the media.

                  But even more importantly, there will be subpoenas, hearings, and eventually testimony.

                  Real events will happen.

                  And we have a President of the United States who will keep talking and tweeting about it.

                  Senator Grassley is calling for a special counsel on Uranium One.

                  Best of all,
                  the storyline is clear. The Clintons took in $140 million and national security was jeopardized. And shes been lying to us to our faces.

                  http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...r_hillary.html
                  They will claim they were manipulated and deceived but in fact they were complicit in the activities. Everyone knew the Russian dossier was fake from the beginning but the MSM pushed it into a Special Counsel investigation, hoping upon hope that they could upend Trump's election. They knew exactly what they were doing and so did all but the blindest of the American people. Every time the MSM hit Trump with some inane charge, he got stronger.

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                  • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                    They will claim they were manipulated and deceived but in fact they were complicit in the activities. Everyone knew the Russian dossier was fake from the beginning but the MSM pushed it into a Special Counsel investigation, hoping upon hope that they could upend Trump's election. They knew exactly what they were doing and so did all but the blindest of the American people. Every time the MSM hit Trump with some inane charge, he got stronger.
                    Yet no one will be charged with anything. "Plausible deniability" etc.

                    Swamp ? No, MOB LOL

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                    • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                      It's very tiresome this double standard B.S. that we have to watch for the next 4 to 8 years. If Mr obama had said the same things, we'd never have heard any complaints from anyone.

                      If Mr. Trump tries any of the same stunts Mr. obama did, we'll hear screams of holy terror from our "media" and elites in our corrupt "government." . . there'll be 'investigations' there'll be 'lawsuits,' we'll watch crap on the "news" about it for months... and all the other outrageous crap that goes on ONLY BECAUSE IT'S A MAN WITH A R INSTEAD OF A D BY HIS NAME.

                      .... which proves that our systems are completely infected and corrupted with a new kind of criminal.
                      The "legalized" kind.... no, it's not legitimate, but it IS "legal," .. this happens when crime bosses make, create & exempt, or put themselves above, the law ! And they CAN because they "MAKE" law. . They are lawless
                      Well, we already HAVE SEEN eight years of this political double standard B.S., in that the Obama-genital sucking media whores would never have asked him such questions in the first place.

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                      • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
                        Well, we already HAVE SEEN eight years of this political double standard B.S., in that the Obama-genital sucking media whores would never have asked him such questions in the first place.
                        100% true.

                        100% denied of course.

                        Their only option at this point, is to try to keep feeding, what they HOPE are "sheeple" crapola, and pray that they BUY it.

                        They're gambling on a dream that stupidity is so rampant, that America is beyond hope. They're very wrong and time will prove this. We have to patiently wait, and it's not going to necessarily be an easy ride... but the game is over for liberals.

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                        • Hilary belongs in prison....

                          More are aware

                          Judge Jeanine's opening statement

                          https://www.facebook.com/judgejeanin...QbNcaICKx7zG0g

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