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  • #16
    I strongly suspect that the rest of the country is just like Kansas -- most voter fraud is done by Republicans who perhaps have more money than most Democrats and are able to have a home in one state and property in another state, so they want to vote in both places. That's what Kobach found when he tried to find people here illegally voting. I don't believe he found any, or perhaps he found one... memory dims.

    If all other states are like Kansas on that point, and I suspect they are, then there would be 50 people here illegally who voted, and at least 4 times that many Republicans voting illegally.

    One has to wonder why anybody thinks a person who had risked their lives coming here illegally would risk deportation to vote illegally. Sure, there might be 50 mentally unstable people who'd do that, but it's certainly not worth blocking millions of people from voting with stringent voting requirements that are more difficult for the poor, and also re-districting them so that their vote doesn't count even if they do get registered.

    Note that you don't hear constant whining from the left about Republicans who try to vote in every state in which they have property. Be aware here that I'm not whining about that by mentioning it. I would not change a thing in the way we vote to stop that particular thing because it's rare and therefore does not make a ripple in who gets elected, just as the far fewer instances they've been able to find of illegal immigrants voting would have one/one millionth of an effect on who gets elected.

    Why, I ask you guys, do Republicans have such a burr up their butt over this when it's worse coming from the right and Democrats don't give a damn? Is it that Republicans really can't figure out that it's such a rare thing that it doesn't change election results? Or what? Why?

    why why why why why... oh Lord... why

    how long must we wander in this wilderness of weighty ignorance?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Agnostick View Post

      I'm not dismissive of voter fraud. I'm not dismissive of any crime. If a crime has been committed, find the responsible party, give them a fair trial, and if that trial ends in a conviction, punish or penalize them as prescribed by law.

      I'm not dismissive of voter fraud.

      But I do question the incessant drama, the pot-stirring alarmism that is all the rage right now. I can't help but think that the real purpose is to make everyone suspicious, and foment support for disenfranchising thousands of voters because of their politics, because of their race.

      Kris Kobach leveraged such paranoia in Kansas to get his own billy club of a law passed, to "protect" everyone from all this voter fraud that he alleged was just so, so BAD.

      So far, he's not found even 20 convictions. And at least three of those convictions were white male Republicans.

      Not the socialist liberal Democratic-leaning brown people that snuck across the border to steal from us... they were white male Republicans.

      I actually don't have a problem with showing my driver's license when I vote.

      As I've said earlier in this thread... so far, the evidence don't line up with the suspicions.

      Joseph McCarthy said we were swimming in Commies and Commie sympathizers, too.
      Do you not think that your original post in this thread was "pot stirring?" Why do you suppose the Washington post would even ask such a question if they weren't just trying to stir the pot?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Lucinda View Post
        I strongly suspect that the rest of the country is just like Kansas -- most voter fraud is done by Republicans who perhaps have more money than most Democrats and are able to have a home in one state and property in another state, so they want to vote in both places. That's what Kobach found when he tried to find people here illegally voting. I don't believe he found any, or perhaps he found one... memory dims.

        If all other states are like Kansas on that point, and I suspect they are, then there would be 50 people here illegally who voted, and at least 4 times that many Republicans voting illegally.

        One has to wonder why anybody thinks a person who had risked their lives coming here illegally would risk deportation to vote illegally. Sure, there might be 50 mentally unstable people who'd do that, but it's certainly not worth blocking millions of people from voting with stringent voting requirements that are more difficult for the poor, and also re-districting them so that their vote doesn't count even if they do get registered.

        Note that you don't hear constant whining from the left about Republicans who try to vote in every state in which they have property. Be aware here that I'm not whining about that by mentioning it. I would not change a thing in the way we vote to stop that particular thing because it's rare and therefore does not make a ripple in who gets elected, just as the far fewer instances they've been able to find of illegal immigrants voting would have one/one millionth of an effect on who gets elected.

        Why, I ask you guys, do Republicans have such a burr up their butt over this when it's worse coming from the right and Democrats don't give a damn? Is it that Republicans really can't figure out that it's such a rare thing that it doesn't change election results? Or what? Why?

        why why why why why... oh Lord... why

        how long must we wander in this wilderness of weighty ignorance?
        If the Democrats believe that it is Republicans voting illegally, then why are they the ones opposing an investigation into illegal voting. Republicans everywhere are for the investigation but Democrats everywhere oppose it. I would think that if the Democrats believe that the Republicans are the ones benefiting from illegal voting, they would be all for Kobach's panel.

        When you say the Democrats don't give a damn, you are either out of touch with reality or just badly informed. Every time someone does anything to improve the integrity of our elections Democrats dump all over themselves, filing lawsuits and organizing protest marches.
        Last edited by OldmanDan; 08-10-2017, 06:49 PM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Lucinda View Post
          I strongly suspect that the rest of the country is just like Kansas -- most voter fraud is done by Republicans who perhaps have more money than most Democrats and are able to have a home in one state and property in another state, so they want to vote in both places. That's what Kobach found when he tried to find people here illegally voting. I don't believe he found any, or perhaps he found one... memory dims.

          If all other states are like Kansas on that point, and I suspect they are, then there would be 50 people here illegally who voted, and at least 4 times that many Republicans voting illegally.

          One has to wonder why anybody thinks a person who had risked their lives coming here illegally would risk deportation to vote illegally. Sure, there might be 50 mentally unstable people who'd do that, but it's certainly not worth blocking millions of people from voting with stringent voting requirements that are more difficult for the poor, and also re-districting them so that their vote doesn't count even if they do get registered.

          Note that you don't hear constant whining from the left about Republicans who try to vote in every state in which they have property. Be aware here that I'm not whining about that by mentioning it. I would not change a thing in the way we vote to stop that particular thing because it's rare and therefore does not make a ripple in who gets elected, just as the far fewer instances they've been able to find of illegal immigrants voting would have one/one millionth of an effect on who gets elected.

          Why, I ask you guys, do Republicans have such a burr up their butt over this when it's worse coming from the right and Democrats don't give a damn? Is it that Republicans really can't figure out that it's such a rare thing that it doesn't change election results? Or what? Why?

          why why why why why... oh Lord... why

          how long must we wander in this wilderness of weighty ignorance?
          You pose a critical question Why indeed would they do it? The answer there is no plausible reason. I expect our right wing friends will say that the illegals have learned that democrats are soft on immigration. The sad thing is that they really believe this kind of horse puckey..

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          • #20
            Originally posted by redrover View Post
            hysterical about everything/? You mean like nuclear war, Russian meddling? For me voter fraud is way down there with transgender issues maybe as low as my concern over Muslim terrorism. Thank goodness we have republicans to do the worrying for us and don't forget immigration. Com on republicans worry worry.
            Republicans worry LOL That's a knee slapper LOL

            AENEWMN.jpg

            These guys are too stupid to get to work on time, don't know what day of the week or month or even what YEAR it is, and you want to say they're worried LOL

            ... republicans worried LOL That's good.

            Like I said, there's ~ 23 issues every day to keep everyone upset about something. The difference in "parties" is only who chooses to laugh at, or be pissed about whatever.

            So everyone's upset about SOMETHING, and rolling their eyes at anyone that doesn't think like they do.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Lucinda View Post
              I strongly suspect that the rest of the country is just like Kansas -- most voter fraud is done by Republicans who perhaps have more money than most Democrats and are able to have a home in one state and property in another state, so they want to vote in both places. That's what Kobach found when he tried to find people here illegally voting. I don't believe he found any, or perhaps he found one... memory dims.

              If all other states are like Kansas on that point, and I suspect they are, then there would be 50 people here illegally who voted, and at least 4 times that many Republicans voting illegally.

              One has to wonder why anybody thinks a person who had risked their lives coming here illegally would risk deportation to vote illegally. Sure, there might be 50 mentally unstable people who'd do that, but it's certainly not worth blocking millions of people from voting with stringent voting requirements that are more difficult for the poor, and also re-districting them so that their vote doesn't count even if they do get registered.

              Note that you don't hear constant whining from the left about Republicans who try to vote in every state in which they have property. Be aware here that I'm not whining about that by mentioning it. I would not change a thing in the way we vote to stop that particular thing because it's rare and therefore does not make a ripple in who gets elected, just as the far fewer instances they've been able to find of illegal immigrants voting would have one/one millionth of an effect on who gets elected.

              Why, I ask you guys, do Republicans have such a burr up their butt over this when it's worse coming from the right and Democrats don't give a damn? Is it that Republicans really can't figure out that it's such a rare thing that it doesn't change election results? Or what? Why?

              why why why why why... oh Lord... why

              how long must we wander in this wilderness of weighty ignorance?
              Welcome Lucinda

              As long as everybody wants to argue about, and/or ignore the facts, OR dismiss them as "non-sense," we will " ...wander in this wilderness of weighty ignorance..."

              Everyone is so freaked out about, and busy arguing about it, NO ONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT"S GOING ON. No one wants, or will even accept the truth ! Everyone gets more "satisfaction" fighting about it LOL

              .... This is something that is happening with many more issues than just this one ....

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              • #22
                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                Do you not think that your original post in this thread was "pot stirring?" Why do you suppose the Washington post would even ask such a question if they weren't just trying to stir the pot?
                I think it's very, very interesting that the grandchildren and perhaps great-grandchildren of the Americans that fought communism in the trenches (read: Vietnam, Korea) and lived through the Cold War are now running, embracing, deep-kissing (and more?) this newfound "Russia" that is nothing more than the CCCP with a new sign over the door, a new coat of paint slapped onto the building. It's the same KGB guys, they just have new ranks in the Russian Mafia.

                And now these same folks would forego elections, to leave one man in power. Tell me, please, how that's not neoreactionism.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                  If the Democrats believe that it is Republicans voting illegally, then why are they the ones opposing an investigation into illegal voting.

                  ROFLMAO!!!!!
                  Kansas statistician suing the state to obtain election records, says voting results don't add up

                  Shannon Halligan 10:33 PM, Aug 26, 2015
                  8:02 AM, Aug 31, 2015


                  WICHITA, Kan. - A university mathematician found something that didn't add up, and now she's suing the state of Kansas to make sure every vote counts.

                  Wichita State University statistician Beth Clarkson requested Sedgwick County release election records for the recent election.

                  This week, Secretary of State Kris Kobach asked a judge to block that request.

                  Clarkson said the election results in some counties, including Johnson County, are impossible to audit.

                  During a celebration for the 95th anniversary of the 19th amendment, which gave women the right to vote, Clarkson said, If were not being counted accurately, were losing our right to vote without even being aware of it.

                  The mathematician wanted to examine the voting tapes after something didnt add up.
                  Kansas voting machine lawsuit: Statistician's lawyer says votes audit is vital, each 1 counts

                  Posted January 27, 2016 12:50 pm - Updated January 27, 2016 03:33 pm
                  By Roxana Hegeman
                  The Associated Press


                  WICHITA A Wichita mathematician who found statistical anomalies in 2014 election counts will dispute efforts by election officials to block her request to audit voting machine results because all voters should be sure that their votes will count, her lawyer said Wednesday.

                  Wichita State University statistician Beth Clarkson filed an open records lawsuit in February 2015 in her personal quest to find the answer to an unexplained pattern that transcends elections and states. She wants the voting machine tapes so she can establish a statistical model by checking the error rate on electronic voting machines used at a Sedgwick County voting station during the November 2014 general election.

                  Sedgwick County officials filed a motion earlier this month asking Sedgwick County District Court to summarily dismiss her lawsuit. Judge William Woolley will hear arguments Feb. 18. The case is set for trial on March 22.

                  Attorney Randall Rathbun said he initially took the case because he felt Clarkson didnt stand a chance without legal representation.

                  Once I got involved in the case, it became clear to me that there are some critical issues here, because when we cast our vote we have to be sure that it is going to count, Rathbun said.

                  Defense attorney Michael North argued in his filing that the county is prohibited from releasing the voting machine tapes because they are not subject to open records laws. He says the issue was settled in a 2013 lawsuit that Clarkson lost when she sought similar materials from the 2010 general election.
                  Judge: Wichita State statistician cant have tapes to audit voting machines

                  By Dion Lefler
                  dlefler@wichitaeagle.com
                  February 18, 2016 9:05 PM

                  A Sedgwick County judge has ruled that a Wichita State University statistician wont get access to paper tapes from voting machines to search for fraud or mistakes.

                  Judge Tim Lahey denied a motion by Election Commissioner Tabitha Lehman to dismiss the case brought by statistician Beth Clarkson. But that was a hollow victory for Clarkson. Her point in filing the lawsuit was to gain access to the tapes to check the accuracy of the voting machines, searching for an answer to statistical anomalies she has found in election results.

                  The paper tapes at issue are printed by the voting machines as each voter casts a ballot. The voter can view the tape through a plastic window in the machine to verify their choices before hitting a button that records their votes.

                  Clarkson sued last year seeking access to the tapes under the Kansas Open Records Act. Representing herself without a lawyer, she lost.

                  If you have questions for Dr. Clarkson, have at it. Question her credentials.











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                  • #24
                    So, Kris Kobach is supposed to be the White Knight defending Kansas against voter fraud mostly from illegal immigrants.

                    When presented with mathematical discrepancies, he fights to hide the paper trail.

                    There's a joke about Kobach...

                    "What's Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach doing today?"
                    "Call Arizona and find out!"

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Agnostick View Post

                      I think it's very, very interesting that the grandchildren and perhaps great-grandchildren of the Americans that fought communism in the trenches (read: Vietnam, Korea) and lived through the Cold War are now running, embracing, deep-kissing (and more?) this newfound "Russia" that is nothing more than the CCCP with a new sign over the door, a new coat of paint slapped onto the building. It's the same KGB guys, they just have new ranks in the Russian Mafia.

                      And now these same folks would forego elections, to leave one man in power. Tell me, please, how that's not neoreactionism.
                      You didn't answer the question, you just diverted the conversation. Has anyone, other than the Washington Post even suggested delaying an election? Isn't this just a strawman that the WP is using to stir the pot? Even you posting such nonsense is just to stir the pot. If Trump were actually suggesting delaying an election that would be a different matter. He isn't. The question was simply trolling.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Agnostick View Post

                        I think it's very, very interesting that the grandchildren and perhaps great-grandchildren of the Americans that fought communism in the trenches (read: Vietnam, Korea) and lived through the Cold War are now running, embracing, deep-kissing (and more?) this newfound "Russia" that is nothing more than the CCCP with a new sign over the door, a new coat of paint slapped onto the building. It's the same KGB guys, they just have new ranks in the Russian Mafia.

                        And now these same folks would forego elections, to leave one man in power. Tell me, please, how that's not neoreactionism.
                        My wife and I are both Viet Nam vets. We were the people who returned from the conflict to be spit on by your type. No one is embracing the cold war, no one is defending Russia. Prove that Russia hacked the DNC and maybe you will get some sympathy. It amazes me that the left who had praised Russia and Communism for so many years now despises it because they think that Putin is somehow different than he was when he was a leader in the KGB. Hilary and Obama and their nonsense "Reset" campaign were trying to tell the Russians that the regime has changed, we identify with you. All was well until Hillary lost the election and could no longer provide payback for the half million dollar speech that Bill gave in Russia. Now, Russia is suddenly the evil empire and Conservatives love them. Pure crap.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Agnostick View Post


                          ROFLMAO!!!!!
                          Kansas statistician suing the state to obtain election records, says voting results don't add up

                          Shannon Halligan 10:33 PM, Aug 26, 2015
                          8:02 AM, Aug 31, 2015




                          Kansas voting machine lawsuit: Statistician's lawyer says votes audit is vital, each 1 counts

                          Posted January 27, 2016 12:50 pm - Updated January 27, 2016 03:33 pm
                          By Roxana Hegeman
                          The Associated Press




                          Judge: Wichita State statistician cant have tapes to audit voting machines

                          By Dion Lefler
                          dlefler@wichitaeagle.com
                          February 18, 2016 9:05 PM




                          If you have questions for Dr. Clarkson, have at it. Question her credentials.
                          So, yesterday you ridiculed me because I provided cases of actual voter fraud and prosecutions but today you are pushing a story that says every vote counts. Make up your mind.

                          In this case, what were the alleged anomalies? What was she looking for? Did she have any actual evidence or simply speculation? It appears the paper tape system used by Kansas is accurate from the last part of the story:

                          The first and only use of the paper tapes to verify a Sedgwick County election came in 2006, when challenger Walt Chappell contested a 373-vote loss to then-Rep. Brenda Landwehr in the 91st House District.

                          Acting on a court order by the late Judge Paul Clark, three appointed examiners rolled through the tapes using an improvised reel-to-reel device cobbled together by an election office worker.

                          The counting process was open to the public. Landwehr, Chappell, their lawyers and a reporter from The Eagle observed the process, which took a full day.

                          No discrepancies between the machine count and the reported count were found, and Clark shut down the recount before it was finished.
                          It appears to me that the anomaly is that Clinton lost and she simply couldn't accept that fact.
                          Last edited by OldmanDan; 08-11-2017, 07:46 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                            My wife and I are both Viet Nam vets. We were the people who returned from the conflict to be spit on by your type.
                            "My type?"

                            And what is "my type?"

                            This should be fun.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Agnostick View Post

                              "My type?"

                              And what is "my type?"

                              This should be fun.
                              Vietnam vets getting spit upon is for the most part an urban legend though I was told by a fellow vet that it happened to them. But again I know people who swear they know the lady who blew up her poodle by putting it in the microwave to dry it off. Dan did someone really spit on you or you speaking figuratively noone spit on me but that may have had more to do with being six feet five and two hundred and twenty-five pounds at the time.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by redrover View Post
                                Vietnam vets getting spit upon is for the most part an urban legend though I was told by a fellow vet that it happened to them. But again I know people who swear they know the lady who blew up her poodle by putting it in the microwave to dry it off. Dan did someone really spit on you or you speaking figuratively noone spit on me but that may have had more to do with being six feet five and two hundred and twenty-five pounds at the time.
                                Yeah ..... I'll bet you can even back that up with something from Snopes -grins-

                                Dismiss or deny any and everything that proves that leftists are lunatics, liars and arsewholes ......

                                Originally posted by Agnostick View Post
                                "My type?"And what is "my type?"This should be fun.
                                What is the motive to cut and paste and ONLY reply to this tiny snip of what was said by OMDan ? Address everything else ? No ? Why not ?

                                As I said in a post above ....

                                Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                                .....Everyone is so freaked out about, and busy arguing about it, NO ONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT"S GOING ON. No one wants, or will even accept the truth ! Everyone gets more "satisfaction" fighting about it LOL
                                https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...629#post543629

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