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    According to McClatchy, "A major construction company owned by the Chinese government was hired to work on the latest Trump golf club development in Dubai despite a pledge from Donald Trump that his family business would not engage in any transactions with foreign government entities while he serves as president."

    Once again, for Trump the truth doesn't matter. All that matters is what you can get people to believe. And for the majority of Trump supporters, they find themselves once again having to reconcile the reality with the words of Trump.

    People, your president has a deal going with the Chinese government, a deal that stands to net Trump millions of dollars. Please explain how there is no conflict of interest. Tell us how you know that if something goes wrong on the diplomatic front, that Trump will put the interests of the U.S. ahead of his own financial interests.

    And there is a big bucket of snot waiting to drop on the 1st poster who writes "But Hillary!"

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    We'll see how big of a 'story' this turns out to be.

    That it was in the presidents earliest days, might be relevant to whether or not this becomes something.

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    The companies statements do not detail the exact timing of the contract except to note it was sometime in the first two months of 2017, just as Trump was inaugurated and questions were raised about a slew of potential conflicts of interest between his presidency and his vast real estate empire.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...172443417.html

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    I suspect this will likely turn out to be just another desperate attempt to make the president look bad- by any means necessary

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    • #3
      Trying to make Trump look bad has been the main focus of the MSM since the day he announced his run for the Presidency. Their big problem is, they are failing miserably to have any impact whatsoever on Trump's ratings.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
        We'll see how big of a 'story' this turns out to be.

        That it was in the presidents earliest days, might be relevant to whether or not this becomes something.

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        The companies statements do not detail the exact timing of the contract except to note it was sometime in the first two months of 2017, just as Trump was inaugurated and questions were raised about a slew of potential conflicts of interest between his presidency and his vast real estate empire.

        http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...172443417.html

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        I suspect this will likely turn out to be just another desperate attempt to make the president look bad- by any means necessary
        So in your mind there is no problem between what Trump said and what is actually happening. The fact that someone would point this out is simply evidence of someone wanting to make the president look bad.

        "You're only trying to make the president look bad."

        Good answer.

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        • #5
          Be sure to read the entirety of what I said before assuming what I think

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          • #6
            Originally posted by HawkeyeDJ View Post
            According to McClatchy, "A major construction company owned by the Chinese government was hired to work on the latest Trump golf club development in Dubai despite a pledge from Donald Trump that his family business would not engage in any transactions with foreign government entities while he serves as president."

            Once again, for Trump the truth doesn't matter. All that matters is what you can get people to believe. And for the majority of Trump supporters, they find themselves once again having to reconcile the reality with the words of Trump.

            People, your president has a deal going with the Chinese government, a deal that stands to net Trump millions of dollars. Please explain how there is no conflict of interest. Tell us how you know that if something goes wrong on the diplomatic front, that Trump will put the interests of the U.S. ahead of his own financial interests.

            And there is a big bucket of snot waiting to drop on the 1st poster who writes "But Hillary!"
            The way I recall it, Trump had to divest himself of all decisions and dealings with his company when he took office at the insistence of the Democrats. He's not making the decisions today.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

              The way I recall it, Trump had to divest himself of all decisions and dealings with his company when he took office at the insistence of the Democrats. He's not making the decisions today.
              No, he has not divested himself of anything. And his children who run the Trump companies are in contact with him any time they want his input on business decisions.

              Other presidents have placed their assets in what is called a "blind trust." This means they cannot tell how their decisions as president will impact their investments, nor can they direct what is done with their assets while in the blind trust. That is left to a trustee who is not allowed to contact the president or anyone close to the president regarding those assets.. Trump has not done this because he does not have to. He, according to the law is entitled to make as much money as he likes while he is president. Every time he goes to one of his properties, he makes tons of money, because he is able to charge the SS to protect him while there and he can charge the government for housing whatever staff comes with him. The more the merrier. And we will continue to cheer him on as he does this. This is what it means to make America great again.

              Go, Trump, Go!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HawkeyeDJ View Post
                No, he has not divested himself of anything. And his children who run the Trump companies are in contact with him any time they want his input on business decisions.

                Other presidents have placed their assets in what is called a "blind trust." This means they cannot tell how their decisions as president will impact their investments, nor can they direct what is done with their assets while in the blind trust. That is left to a trustee who is not allowed to contact the president or anyone close to the president regarding those assets.. Trump has not done this because he does not have to. He, according to the law is entitled to make as much money as he likes while he is president. Every time he goes to one of his properties, he makes tons of money, because he is able to charge the SS to protect him while there and he can charge the government for housing whatever staff comes with him. The more the merrier. And we will continue to cheer him on as he does this. This is what it means to make America great again.

                Go, Trump, Go!
                Welcome to the Trump train, good to have you on board finally LOL

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HawkeyeDJ View Post
                  According to McClatchy, "A major construction company owned by the Chinese government was hired to work on the latest Trump golf club development in Dubai despite a pledge from Donald Trump that his family business would not engage in any transactions with foreign government entities while he serves as president."

                  Once again, for Trump the truth doesn't matter. All that matters is what you can get people to believe. And for the majority of Trump supporters, they find themselves once again having to reconcile the reality with the words of Trump.

                  People, your president has a deal going with the Chinese government, a deal that stands to net Trump millions of dollars. Please explain how there is no conflict of interest. Tell us how you know that if something goes wrong on the diplomatic front, that Trump will put the interests of the U.S. ahead of his own financial interests.

                  And there is a big bucket of snot waiting to drop on the 1st poster who writes "But Hillary!"
                  Should we not wait to see if he uses his office to enrich himself as hillary used her office to enrich her, bill and the CF? Conjecturing that he might do it isnt the same as actually doing it, right? And not to worry, he will not get any cover from MSM to help him hide anything.

                  But nothing wrong with being concerned about this stuff. But so far no laws are being broken and its just the people who didnt vote nor like him that want to give him a hard time. So they just need to watch him like a hawk, which of course they will. I dont see a problem until there is a problem. And I didnt vote for the guy. I dont even care for his personality.

                  IMO, nothing is done with his business without him being consulted. Regardless of who is supposed to be running it. You can bet they will check with dad before they make any big moves. I would imagine this business he owns will cause him some problems before he serves out his term or terms. He is in an unusual position, for most presidents don't leave office and go back to their business. And clearly he doesnt want to sell what he spent a lifetime in building. We may see some new rules and laws because of trump and his business, not sure. We saw a new law after FDR kept winning. The guy was so well liked that the people kept putting him back in. If we had tin foil hatters back then like today, they would have thought he was murdered by those elites he was gonna reel back in after the war. Sorry, I am rambling. I doubt trump will have the problem of being too popular though. LOL For the oligarchy has him under their boot heels and he won't be much of a threat to their economic globalism nor their foreign policy. And these are the two things which would eventually grow his popularity, with independents if he were able to fulfill his campaign promises in regards to this economy, foreign policy and infastructure. Of course the democrats would never support him even if he made their lives better. They voted for the globalist candidate and the globalist party. As establishment repubs in the primaries voted for their globalist candidates.
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                  • #10

                    The criminals "running" America. At our expense & with our "votes."

                    Tired of it yet ?

                    One guy isn't going to be able to clean up the pond-scum that is in Washington D.C., it's not going to happen.

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                    We desperately need deep reform. The people want it, and a Mueller corrupt indictment may become the signal for a popular revolt.

                    Mueller's appointment as a special prosecutor, based on a blatantly false and pornographic "dossier" launched by British spies against a duly elected POTUS, with the malignant and corrupt support of Obama appointments Clapper, Comey, and Brennan, is not going to pull the wool over our eyes. There is no Constitutional provision for a special prosecutor, and there are no triggering criteria set in law.

                    The establishment can demand a special prosecutor by plain lies and disinformation, as it has done with Donald Trump. Mueller is running a plain witch-hunt under false colors of law.

                    If Mueller should charge Jared Kushner with getting entangled with Russian powermongers long before Trump's presidential campaign, His own credibility will be zero or less. Mueller will go down in history like the Witchfinder General Matthew Hopkins

                    Elected congressional members earn a modest salary but manage to come out as millionaires using insider trading, and abusing confidential Congressional knowledge.

                    This is too disgusting for words, and nailing another human being on that bloody cross of the special prosecutor is repugnant to the moral sense. The whole machinery of corruption and chicanery, the whole inversion of the justice system to serve the power class, must be torn down and rebuilt again into a clean, credible, and untainted system.

                    We see uncorrupted political systems occasionally abroad, and some U.S. states used to be uncorrupted. But they have turned increasingly rotten.

                    Since all politicians by now are smeared with the same mud, we will have to reach outside of politics to clean up the sleazy mess, and may even require a new constitutional convention.

                    If the legally appointed witch hunters against POTUS have committed crimes, like Comey obviously has (perjury and probably worse), many Americans will demand justice.

                    The stinking Augean stables really need to be torn down and rebuilt with modern sanitation.

                    I don't know if that is possible, but there will be many, many Americans who will demand it.

                    The Trump campaign was a clear signal to the political class that we've had enough.

                    The rotating door between politics and lobbying will also have to be slammed. Somehow, sabotage money from the Saudis and Iranians, the Chinese and maybe the Russians will have to be blocked. Many thousands of tenured bureaucrats will have to be forcibly retired.

                    We will need an FBI head of unquestioned integrity, certainly not like Comey or his ilk.

                    The historical way to control intelligence agencies is to make them compete against each other. After 9/11 the U.S. bureaucracy did exactly the opposite by creating the Director of National Intelligence, which simply centralized and expanded the secret power pyramid in DC.

                    Today, it may well be true that the GCHQ, the British codebreaking agency, was the first to drop the "Moscow prostitutes urinating on Obama's bed" disinformation, which circulated in DC for months to give the "grounds" for the Mueller witch hunt. In the age of the web, not only are CIA and FBI and DNI a closed cult, but so are the Brits. You can't tell them apart.

                    Our intelligence laws were written, not exactly in the horse 'n buggy days, but in the automobile and propeller airplane days of FDR.

                    Our head intelligence mavens seem to do more plotting against duly elected POTUS than they protect us against Jihad, China, Russia, and all the rest.

                    Donald Trump pulled his most trusted leaders from the military, a good idea in a time of widespread civilian corruption. These are combat-tested general officers, people who have proven their loyalty in combat. But we cannot rely on the military forever. Do we have a pool of trusted public servants we can call upon to work at the highest levels of government to protect the United States? Are priests, ministers and rabbis to be trusted these days? Are small business people, like Harry Truman, to be trusted? The answer is no.

                    Our schools no longer even teach Civics, so that college students are astonishingly ignorant. Richard Dreyfuss has started a web movement to unite citizens to promote the restoration of Civics teaching throughout the schools and colleges. The historical and intellectual case for constitutionalism is stronger than ever, but our campuses are "islands of tyranny in a sea of freedom." We can thank our enemies on the left for "marching through the Institutions" in the 1960s and 70s, as urged by Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci.

                    The United States is in deep, deep trouble. Our Democrat presidents are often rooted in Machine Politics: Even Harry Truman came from the Pendergast Machine in Kansas City. Obama was mentored by Emil Jones, the Grandfather of the Illinois Machine.

                    The lines between politics and organized crime have blurred.


                    ...

                    http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...ce_system.html

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                    • #11
                      I will never again vote for an incumbent. I don't care if they are Democrats or Republicans.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                        The criminals "running" America. At our expense & with our "votes."

                        Tired of it yet ?

                        One guy isn't going to be able to clean up the pond-scum that is in Washington D.C., it's not going to happen.

                        -----------------------------------------

                        We desperately need deep reform. The people want it, and a Mueller corrupt indictment may become the signal for a popular revolt.

                        Mueller's appointment as a special prosecutor, based on a blatantly false and pornographic "dossier" launched by British spies against a duly elected POTUS, with the malignant and corrupt support of Obama appointments Clapper, Comey, and Brennan, is not going to pull the wool over our eyes. There is no Constitutional provision for a special prosecutor, and there are no triggering criteria set in law.

                        The establishment can demand a special prosecutor by plain lies and disinformation, as it has done with Donald Trump. Mueller is running a plain witch-hunt under false colors of law.

                        If Mueller should charge Jared Kushner with getting entangled with Russian powermongers long before Trump's presidential campaign, His own credibility will be zero or less. Mueller will go down in history like the Witchfinder General Matthew Hopkins

                        Elected congressional members earn a modest salary but manage to come out as millionaires using insider trading, and abusing confidential Congressional knowledge.

                        This is too disgusting for words, and nailing another human being on that bloody cross of the special prosecutor is repugnant to the moral sense. The whole machinery of corruption and chicanery, the whole inversion of the justice system to serve the power class, must be torn down and rebuilt again into a clean, credible, and untainted system.

                        We see uncorrupted political systems occasionally abroad, and some U.S. states used to be uncorrupted. But they have turned increasingly rotten.

                        Since all politicians by now are smeared with the same mud, we will have to reach outside of politics to clean up the sleazy mess, and may even require a new constitutional convention.

                        If the legally appointed witch hunters against POTUS have committed crimes, like Comey obviously has (perjury and probably worse), many Americans will demand justice.

                        The stinking Augean stables really need to be torn down and rebuilt with modern sanitation.

                        I don't know if that is possible, but there will be many, many Americans who will demand it.

                        The Trump campaign was a clear signal to the political class that we've had enough.

                        The rotating door between politics and lobbying will also have to be slammed. Somehow, sabotage money from the Saudis and Iranians, the Chinese and maybe the Russians will have to be blocked. Many thousands of tenured bureaucrats will have to be forcibly retired.

                        We will need an FBI head of unquestioned integrity, certainly not like Comey or his ilk.

                        The historical way to control intelligence agencies is to make them compete against each other. After 9/11 the U.S. bureaucracy did exactly the opposite by creating the Director of National Intelligence, which simply centralized and expanded the secret power pyramid in DC.

                        Today, it may well be true that the GCHQ, the British codebreaking agency, was the first to drop the "Moscow prostitutes urinating on Obama's bed" disinformation, which circulated in DC for months to give the "grounds" for the Mueller witch hunt. In the age of the web, not only are CIA and FBI and DNI a closed cult, but so are the Brits. You can't tell them apart.

                        Our intelligence laws were written, not exactly in the horse 'n buggy days, but in the automobile and propeller airplane days of FDR.

                        Our head intelligence mavens seem to do more plotting against duly elected POTUS than they protect us against Jihad, China, Russia, and all the rest.

                        Donald Trump pulled his most trusted leaders from the military, a good idea in a time of widespread civilian corruption. These are combat-tested general officers, people who have proven their loyalty in combat. But we cannot rely on the military forever. Do we have a pool of trusted public servants we can call upon to work at the highest levels of government to protect the United States? Are priests, ministers and rabbis to be trusted these days? Are small business people, like Harry Truman, to be trusted? The answer is no.

                        Our schools no longer even teach Civics, so that college students are astonishingly ignorant. Richard Dreyfuss has started a web movement to unite citizens to promote the restoration of Civics teaching throughout the schools and colleges. The historical and intellectual case for constitutionalism is stronger than ever, but our campuses are "islands of tyranny in a sea of freedom." We can thank our enemies on the left for "marching through the Institutions" in the 1960s and 70s, as urged by Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci.

                        The United States is in deep, deep trouble. Our Democrat presidents are often rooted in Machine Politics: Even Harry Truman came from the Pendergast Machine in Kansas City. Obama was mentored by Emil Jones, the Grandfather of the Illinois Machine.

                        The lines between politics and organized crime have blurred.


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                        I am afraid the truth of our reality creates hopelessness. But as long as we can still vote, and there is no fraud, americans still have a chance to change things, but the odds are against us. Yet when we are basically given choices acceptable to the existing two parties, even voting cannot work to clean up the corruption and oligarchy. If your votes can only pick those who are of the corruption, then voting is powerless to change anything, other than the faces of those you can vote for. Of course there is revolution but with this high tech national security state, an oligarchy could nip any such revolution in the bud early on, and given the govt can now lock you up and hold you on without charges, for as long as they want, well, welcome to the hellish nightmare of a post 1984 world, total fascism, total control, all but the ruling elites being slaves of the oligarchy. Makes you want to go off the grid and disengage from this hellish state. Just find what you can in a simple life, with friends, family and save one bullet for yourself. Perhaps this is just what it looks like when Satan is ruling? How can what we see in DC and even in society NOT to satanic? And the entropy seems to be accelerating. There seems to be on consensus as to what is right and what is wrong.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                          I am afraid the truth of our reality creates hopelessness. But as long as we can still vote, and there is no fraud, americans still have a chance to change things, but the odds are against us. Yet when we are basically given choices acceptable to the existing two parties, even voting cannot work to clean up the corruption and oligarchy. If your votes can only pick those who are of the corruption, then voting is powerless to change anything, other than the faces of those you can vote for. Of course there is revolution but with this high tech national security state, an oligarchy could nip any such revolution in the bud early on, and given the govt can now lock you up and hold you on without charges, for as long as they want, well, welcome to the hellish nightmare of a post 1984 world, total fascism, total control, all but the ruling elites being slaves of the oligarchy. Makes you want to go off the grid and disengage from this hellish state. Just find what you can in a simple life, with friends, family and save one bullet for yourself. Perhaps this is just what it looks like when Satan is ruling? How can what we see in DC and even in society NOT to satanic? And the entropy seems to be accelerating. There seems to be on consensus as to what is right and what is wrong.
                          Haven't you heard now that Trump is president the swamp has been drained and it's Merry Christmas every day in America. Once you deport the dreamers the country should be just about perfect.

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                            Originally posted by redrover View Post

                            Haven't you heard now that Trump is president the swamp has been drained and it's Merry Christmas every day in America. Once you deport the dreamers the country should be just about perfect.
                            I just heard when trump met with some dems to discuss this dreamer issue and he may be changing his mind on it. Which would not bother me, if he agrees to some form of amnesty, but he needs to assure us he will keep working on stopping illegal immigration, doing anything it takes. That was the mistake made when reagan granted amnesty for illegals but congress did nothing to stop the flow in any significant manner.

                            I watched the Bannon interview on 60 minutes and he stated the obvious in regards to the swamp. He called it a business model, and that it had taken 50 years to create in its present form and could not be drained in even two terms. It will take vigilance and intent of the People and decades of this effort to drain this swamp, destroy this business model which eliminates representation of average americans while only representing the self interests of the elites and their money. Which anyone with a decent brain already knew. At least trump voiced an effort that it needs to be done which cannot be said of the dems or repubs in DC. The only democrats concerned with draining this swamp, were the sanders supporters, which bannon said in some states voted up to 15 percent for trump. The commonality was fighting globalism which is destroying anyone who has to work for their bread. Of course sanders is against illegal immigration as well, due to what it does to the american worker and wages. Like in construction, which I know a little bit about. Looks like some of these sanders supporters played a role in beating the globalist hillary. I like that given what she is, which is no friend of anyone but the upper middle professional class and the upper class. That some working class people supported her just shows they are clueless as to who they were voting for. That is the problem, people who have no idea that either party represents them in DC. I guess these people still think the DP is the party of the common man? MSM viewers obviously. LOL.

                            One would think if this news is true, about trump working with the dems in regards to the dreamers that this would please the dems. But alas, it doesn't seem to be the case with the hate trump crowd. Trump could literally save one of their lives, and they would still scowl, sneer and curse the man. Ingrates is nice term for them.

                            I will be pleased if the dreamers get to stay. For they were brought here as kids, had no say so in that and then supposedly raised here as americans, and hopefully they speak english, but after hearing a story yesterday about LA and how at least some of those kids do not speak english and their parents in escaping the 3rd world, corrupted Mexico just brought mexico here. But surely this is not the case with all of these illegals and their kids who grew up here. One would hope some assimilation took place, but who knows?
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                              Much ado about nothing. ??

                              Yet, another opportunity to push liberal hatreds & intimidate people with language games.

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                              Cornell students condemn 'build a wall' as 'hate speech'

                              In another attack on President Donald Trumps tough immigration policy championing the phrase build a wall, Cornell University students are condemning the chant as hate speech against illegal immigrants.

                              Much of the controversy is concentrated around the commander-in-chiefs push to stop DACA [Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals] dead in its tracks.

                              Members of Cornell Universitys student assembly (SA) are calling on university administrators to punish members of a fraternity who chanted build a wall last week following President Donald Trumps decision to end DACA, TheBlaze announced. Last Wednesday, one day after Trumps decision, Latino students heard members of the Zeta Psi fraternity chanting build the wall a reference to Trumps promise to build a wall on the southern U.S.-Mexico border.

                              Support illegal immigration or else

                              ..Its disgusting that hate speech like this is not followed up with repercussions, Valdez expressed before the Cornell crowd, according to the Sun.

                              ..However, it is stressed that the whole uproar could be much ado about nothing, as the chant instigating the Leftist backlash is believed to have been started by a liberal mocking the president.

                              A source who wishes to remain confidential, however, told Campus Reform that the individual who started the chants was also from the Latinx community, and was just joking around and making fun of [President] Trump, Campus Reforms Neetu Chandak impressed.


                              https://www.onenewsnow.com/education...as-hate-speech


                              ...... it's just another, in an endless list of incidents and examples of how the progressive game with words works

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                              How did we get to the point where 8-year-old cross-dressers are celebrated as norms-smashing pioneers and not odd (and mentally ill) quirks?

                              For decades, university intellectuals have stretched the terms oppression and violence like rubber bands, trying to fit them over more gentle concepts like disagreement and dialogue. The slow creep eventually worked; hundreds of thousands of students graduate college every year believing words truly constitute aggression.

                              For traditionalists, being left alone to think, worship, gather, and evangelize in private is not an option. The logic of the Left doesnt allow for empty spaces. If there is one corner of the brain that still holds fast to outlandish beliefs like marriage was made for man and woman, your chromosomes determine your gender, race is a biological reality, or countries have the right to determine enforce their borders, then it must be reprogrammed or wiped out.

                              American progressives have finally gone all the way to a totalitarian vision, demanding control over not just your behavior, but your thoughts and beliefs.

                              As the sexual left makes progress on its biggest projects -- same-sex marriage, transgenderism acceptance, pronoun wordplay -- they are increasingly unwilling to brook resistance.

                              Do you believe in traditional marriage but dont care that gays marry? Think its OK teenagers take hormonal injections to swap genders but its not right for your kids? Dont really give a hoot about someone who identifies as xe?

                              Well, too bad, sucker. The new dispensation doesnt care for your waffling. Going forward, your private beliefs must align with your public stance. No exceptions made or allowed.

                              Ford, who is prone to pique-filled tantrums, is the sites LGBTQ editor. His beat consists of sniffing out any hint of pro-heterosexual bias and lambasting it as bigoted, backwards, and tyrannical. Hes a proud atheist who doesnt hesitate to cite science when its convenient. But, nota bene, he believes men menstruate and become pregnant.

                              In response to an essay by Bethany Mandel in The Federalist, Ford had a bigger meltdown than Sex in the City fans when Mr. Big dumped Carrie at the altar. In her piece, Mandel admitted to once being a supporter of gay marriage, but the liberals Torquemada-inspired campaign for transgenderism inclusion among children has changed her mind. Feeling hoodwinked, Mandel pointedly wrote, The Left has shown the totalitarian manner in which it exacts support, or at least silence, from everyday Americans.

                              Ford wasnt having any of it, no siree. Even though Mandel was an ally during the fight for same-sex marriage, her opinion that grates upon the Approved Position on transgenderism is hereby invalid. What [Mandel] argues that [sic] she should be ALLOWED to believe what she believes, even though those odious beliefs harm others, Ford tweeted. Indeed, our hysterical scribe continued, she is a quintessential example of claiming free speech to justify her bigotry.

                              Then came the kicker: You'll be made to care, because intolerance harms people and is unjustified and the rest of us want the world to be a better place.

                              Ford tweeted this outburst without a hint of self-awareness or irony. Yes, Mandel also cited the famed Erickson phrase in her criticism. But that a prominent liberal writer actually evoked it, giving full approval to its thought police connotations, is quite stunning.

                              Lenin, eat your heart out.


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