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  • #16
    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

    It didn't seem to bother you when the national debt doubled under the Obama administration from 10 to 20 trillion. I didn't see a lot of rants from you asking to hold the line on spending. I am a retired engineer, I don't have a million dollars in total wealth. If you cared about your grandchildren, you wouldn't have reelected Obama.
    Then we have your beloved But it's all Obama's fault.W. who gave us a little war that added a trillion to the debt along with his tax cut for the rich which tacked on another trillion and a half.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by redrover View Post

      Then we have your beloved But it's all Obama's fault.W. who gave us a little war that added a trillion to the debt along with his tax cut for the rich which tacked on another trillion and a half.
      I don't understand why if the republicans wanted to give the middle class a tax break they don't give the middle class a tax break instead of giving the rich a tax break then telling us it will trickle down to us eventualy I'm astounded by the number of people who fall for that nonsense every time.http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3...ess-or-workers

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      • #18
        Originally posted by redrover View Post
        I don't understand why if the republicans wanted to give the middle class a tax break they don't give the middle class a tax break instead of giving the rich a tax break then telling us it will trickle down to us eventualy I'm astounded by the number of people who fall for that nonsense every time.http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3...ess-or-workers
        Look what Obama's wealth redistribution did for the economy. Eight stagnant years.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by redrover View Post
          I don't understand why if the republicans wanted to give the middle class a tax break they don't give the middle class a tax break instead of giving the rich a tax break then telling us it will trickle down to us eventualy I'm astounded by the number of people who fall for that nonsense every time.http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3...ess-or-workers
          It does look very doubtful if any good will come of this presidents "tax reform"

          Looks like another great deal for wealthy people . . . this is not surprising. America has been run by the wealthy for the wealthy for ,.... how many decades ?

          ----------------------------------------------------------------

          Dear Mr Trump...

          I respectfully request that you revisit your support for the individual tax reform package.

          The good news is there is still time to fix it and make it better and more efficient. But as Yogi Berra said, Mr. President, "it is getting late early."

          Republican leadership in Congress has disappointed you time and time again.

          Now your good intentions on tax cuts are following the same path. The plans on the table are not middle-class tax cuts. They may not even be tax cuts at all.

          When you ran and won, you ran on draining the swamp, not giving new life to it.

          You ran on tax cuts, not on the swamp's idea of tax reform where special interests win.

          This is a plan that helps Wall Street, hedge funds, private equity managers, real estate and oil and gas partnerships and individuals who disguise income as profits or distributions.

          In fact, some of those entities keep money offshore and don't pay any tax at all. Not surprisingly, some of the largest supporters of these bills are donors who come from those industries.

          No one wants to penalize them, but they should not be given benefits which are far greater than those given to others. This plan does not help many individuals who earn their income and report it as such.

          It is wrong to eliminate or limit property tax, mortgage and interest deductions. Hardworking people have relied on them for years, this is how they afford to buy homes and build nest eggs in the equity of their homes.

          These proposals erode that equity, equity countless numbers of Americans rely on for retirement. These current bills will be extremely harmful to those who live in the suburbs and small towns.

          Similarly, the removal of the state and local tax deduction is a de facto tax increase for tens of millions of Americans. The argument that other states should not subsidize big government states is a complete red herring.

          For example, our state, New York, sends much more money to Washington than it receives back. In other words, states like New York, New Jersey and California are subsidizing other states, allowing them to lower state and local taxes or have none at all.

          If we eliminate state and local taxes, then a comparable law should be enacted that all 50 states pay the federal government the same amount of money.

          How is it fair that big corporations keep these deductions, but individuals do not?

          Eliminating these deductions while maintaining the current carried-interest rule that benefits Wall Street shows the complete disparity of the plans.

          You ran for president – and won – on eliminating the carried-interest rule. These plans do not eliminate it. You did not run or win on eliminating property tax, mortgage, interest and state and local tax deductions.

          Some wealthy individuals argue that they are not opposed to dropping these deductions. Of course they wouldn't be opposed to it. Why would they when many of them use the carried-interest rule and other pass-through devices to pay tax rates which are substantially below the 39.5 percent rate their level of income would normally be taxed?

          That is why Warren Buffet pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. This, Mr. President, is not fair.

          If we want to raise revenue, pay for tax cuts and control the deficit, then all income should be taxed at the same rates. It cannot be reclassified as profits or distributions.

          This is a giant loophole that needs to be closed so that it will not permit some of the nation's wealthiest taxpayers to pay a rate below what their income requires and in effect brings them below this plans lowest rate of 12 percent.

          Mr. President, this is not what you campaigned for on or intended.

          Moreover, this is where the real significant money is. If these wealthy individuals' income is not reclassified as profits or distributions, but is taxed similar to individuals who report their income as such, these funds can provide real relief by extending real tax cuts to all.

          Yet this legislation does not accomplish this; rather, it forfeits these funds.

          As a dealmaker, you understand sometimes no deal is better than a bad deal. As constituted, the present proposed legislation is a bad deal.

          Respectfully, please step back, reconsider and renegotiate.

          You may think the present deal is a win because something (anything) will get passed and be chalked up as an accomplishment for your administration. Nothing can be further from the truth.

          Very shortly after this legislation takes effect it will be revealed that the so-called win will turn into a loss for both you and American taxpayers.

          The corporate tax cut works, this does not.

          You were elected by people who work hard, pay their mortgages, interest and property tax, not the special interests who benefit most under this plan. A tax cut should help all.

          This, Mr. President, is a swamp deal.



          https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/tr.../26/id/828141/

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

            It does look very doubtful if any good will come of this presidents "tax reform"

            Looks like another great deal for wealthy people . . . this is not surprising. America has been run by the wealthy for the wealthy for ,.... how many decades ?

            ----------------------------------------------------------------

            Dear Mr Trump...

            I respectfully request that you revisit your support for the individual tax reform package.

            The good news is there is still time to fix it and make it better and more efficient. But as Yogi Berra said, Mr. President, "it is getting late early."

            Republican leadership in Congress has disappointed you time and time again.

            Now your good intentions on tax cuts are following the same path. The plans on the table are not middle-class tax cuts. They may not even be tax cuts at all.

            When you ran and won, you ran on draining the swamp, not giving new life to it.

            You ran on tax cuts, not on the swamp's idea of tax reform where special interests win.

            This is a plan that helps Wall Street, hedge funds, private equity managers, real estate and oil and gas partnerships and individuals who disguise income as profits or distributions.

            In fact, some of those entities keep money offshore and don't pay any tax at all. Not surprisingly, some of the largest supporters of these bills are donors who come from those industries.

            No one wants to penalize them, but they should not be given benefits which are far greater than those given to others. This plan does not help many individuals who earn their income and report it as such.

            It is wrong to eliminate or limit property tax, mortgage and interest deductions. Hardworking people have relied on them for years, this is how they afford to buy homes and build nest eggs in the equity of their homes.

            These proposals erode that equity, equity countless numbers of Americans rely on for retirement. These current bills will be extremely harmful to those who live in the suburbs and small towns.

            Similarly, the removal of the state and local tax deduction is a de facto tax increase for tens of millions of Americans. The argument that other states should not subsidize big government states is a complete red herring.

            For example, our state, New York, sends much more money to Washington than it receives back. In other words, states like New York, New Jersey and California are subsidizing other states, allowing them to lower state and local taxes or have none at all.

            If we eliminate state and local taxes, then a comparable law should be enacted that all 50 states pay the federal government the same amount of money.

            How is it fair that big corporations keep these deductions, but individuals do not?

            Eliminating these deductions while maintaining the current carried-interest rule that benefits Wall Street shows the complete disparity of the plans.

            You ran for president – and won – on eliminating the carried-interest rule. These plans do not eliminate it. You did not run or win on eliminating property tax, mortgage, interest and state and local tax deductions.

            Some wealthy individuals argue that they are not opposed to dropping these deductions. Of course they wouldn't be opposed to it. Why would they when many of them use the carried-interest rule and other pass-through devices to pay tax rates which are substantially below the 39.5 percent rate their level of income would normally be taxed?

            That is why Warren Buffet pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. This, Mr. President, is not fair.

            If we want to raise revenue, pay for tax cuts and control the deficit, then all income should be taxed at the same rates. It cannot be reclassified as profits or distributions.

            This is a giant loophole that needs to be closed so that it will not permit some of the nation's wealthiest taxpayers to pay a rate below what their income requires and in effect brings them below this plans lowest rate of 12 percent.

            Mr. President, this is not what you campaigned for on or intended.

            Moreover, this is where the real significant money is. If these wealthy individuals' income is not reclassified as profits or distributions, but is taxed similar to individuals who report their income as such, these funds can provide real relief by extending real tax cuts to all.

            Yet this legislation does not accomplish this; rather, it forfeits these funds.

            As a dealmaker, you understand sometimes no deal is better than a bad deal. As constituted, the present proposed legislation is a bad deal.

            Respectfully, please step back, reconsider and renegotiate.

            You may think the present deal is a win because something (anything) will get passed and be chalked up as an accomplishment for your administration. Nothing can be further from the truth.

            Very shortly after this legislation takes effect it will be revealed that the so-called win will turn into a loss for both you and American taxpayers.

            The corporate tax cut works, this does not.

            You were elected by people who work hard, pay their mortgages, interest and property tax, not the special interests who benefit most under this plan. A tax cut should help all.

            This, Mr. President, is a swamp deal.



            https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/tr.../26/id/828141/
            The CBO has scored the bill an of course Trump insist that the CBO is wrong.https://www.axios.com/cbo-senate-tax...512965988.html

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            • #21
              Originally posted by redrover View Post

              The CBO has scored the bill an of course Trump insist that the CBO is wrong.https://www.axios.com/cbo-senate-tax...512965988.html
              Give us one example of when the CBO has EVER been right.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                Give us one example of when the CBO has EVER been right.
                What are your options? Listen to lying Donald?He and his stooges are about the only ones think this good for anyone but a select few..

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by redrover View Post

                  What are your options? Listen to lying Donald?He and his stooges are about the only ones think this good for anyone but a select few..
                  Couldn't find one huh?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                    Couldn't find one huh?
                    I forgot you don't have a TV. President Dump has been on frequently raving about his Christmas present to middle class Americans who make over a million a year. Not to mention the congressional republicans who crafted this bill. That's what Bob Crotchet gets for burning too much coal.

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